/tg/Station 13

So you know how the Sleeping Carp gang can't use ranged weapons? I propose that neither can wizards of the Space Wizard Federation. They use magic instead.

"But why?", you ask. Because MM/Ei Nath is bad enough without them Jaunting into the Armory and tase-and-lasering everyone. From a lore perspective, the SWF eschews the use of primitive Muggle technology, and the arcane field around a magic-user disrupts the mechanics in guns anyway. They can only use staves and wands.

this is funny because wizard staves are actually programmed as guns.

Stop them using /obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile and /obj/item/weapon/gun/energy - they can still use /obj/item/weapon/gun/magic (where staves and wands go). They can also use grenade launchers and syringe guns, but when do you ever see a wizard with those?

why would wizards be able to summon an arsenal of guns but not use them?

seems reasonable.

my ideal conception of wizard is as someone who uses something OTHER than evasion spells with ei nath

make the destructive spells more destructive and maybe eventually someone will actually use something that isn't the same 5 fucking spells because they're clearly optimal

anyway this would help along with a buff to everything else besides mm/jaunt/teleport/ei nath

MMMiracles wrote:why would wizards be able to summon an arsenal of guns but not use them?

Why do the wizard's federation do anything? It's because they clearly have nothing better to do than develop spells for random shit and test it out on local space stations.

Cheimon wrote:

MMMiracles wrote:why would wizards be able to summon an arsenal of guns but not use them?

Why do the wizard's federation do anything? It's because they clearly have nothing better to do than develop spells for random shit and test it out on local space stations.

Wizards are like the jackasses who won the lottery and decide to flaunt what they've got and buy things (learn spells) that they have no use for other than to show off if only because they don't have the internet around to spread viruses around on.

See the difference between a hulk and a wizard is that one is expected to fight off 50 people at once, while the other simply aspires to.

No/10

Crew members can learn and fire wiz staffs and guns, i say no to this terrible idea

It's more the wizards being elitist "MAGIC IS BEST" than anything else. How about a spell that lets them use 'real' guns for a few spell points? (So you too can go on MM-Captain's laser murderbone rampages... but you have to lose one of your spells for it.) They're powerful enough as it is, with a huge variety of combat and utility spells - with weapons (bear in mind they can teleport or Jaunt directly into the Armory), they're even more imbalanced. There should be a tradeoff for having the ability to shoot things and spell things.

boooooooo

I disagree, Wizards have never had restrictions on item usage and to be frank guns pale in comparison to magical abilities.

The reason Wizards do use guns is to save their real magical abilties for something more important, nothing's worse than wasting a higher level spell on some mook only for the Security team to jump on you and your powers are on cool down.

charge charges guns

guns are one of the largest contributing factors to escape spell spam wizards, and escape spam is fucking awful.

i want to play ss13 not league of fucking legends

I wont raid the armory again, just dont do this. I'll come up with something interesting next time.

Just like with nuke ops, people should expect that the armory is a pretty likely first stop for wizards. The second someone screams WIZARD those guns should be moving (but not a moment before, dats meta)

The second someone screams WIZARD, it's because there's a Wizard literally in the Armory because teleport scroll. Either that or on top of the AI.

TheNightingale wrote:The second someone screams WIZARD, it's because there's a Wizard literally in the Armory because teleport scroll. Either that or on top of the AI.

have you considered that a solution may be not to remove the wizard's ability to use guns, but to keep it from being able to teleport directly into the armory?
that or just not touching it, you salty fuck

PKPenguin321 wrote:have you considered that a solution may be not to remove the wizard's ability to use guns, but to keep it from being able to teleport directly into the armory?

Teleport-protected areas? Is that possible? Perhaps a special type of floor and wall, but I'm not sure how viable that'd be.

PKPenguin321 wrote:that or just not touching it, you salty fuck

This entire thread was an "i ded, pls nerf" after a Wizard got a ton of guns and shot everyone.

As much as everybody hates stealth wizards, this does fuck over stealth wizards. It would also fuck over mindswap wizards too.

TheNightingale wrote:So you know how the Sleeping Carp gang can't use ranged weapons? I propose that neither can wizards of the Space Wizard Federation. They use magic instead.

"But why?", you ask. Because MM/Ei Nath is bad enough without them Jaunting into the Armory and tase-and-lasering everyone. From a lore perspective, the SWF eschews the use of primitive Muggle technology, and the arcane field around a magic-user disrupts the mechanics in guns anyway. They can only use staves and wands.

Horrible idea, but if you want it so badly? Fine, then normal crewmembers can't use staffs, wands, or any wizard artifact. And they can't learn spells either.

i'm okay with that considering usually it's just a bunch of assholes spamming horsehead curse or blind on random bystanders FNR.

good trade