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Around a year ago many changes were effected to our ranged weapons, this feedback thread will focus on one of the biggest changes in the alterations made to the Energy Gun.

Before the change the Energy Gun was considered the most powerful round start on station weapon, this weapon could fire ten Laser or ten Stun rounds before exhausting.

A change was put up that changed the rifle to instead replace the ten stun rounds with twenty disable rounds, overall a nerf to the weapon as instead of the weapon being able to stun someone ten times, it could only at maximum stun five to seven people, depending on armour and rng.

The change was very controversial at the time, and since a year has passed since the rifles were changed I want to ask this question, and to see where we stand opinion wise on the gun.

"Should Energy Guns return back to their older Stun/Laser setting, or are the changes made to the guns good enough that they should remain as Disable/Laser?"

Your thoughts?

I felt it was an interesting choice where people could fill their backpacks up with disable/laser or disable/taser rather than having to choose between a taser or a direct upgrade over a taser.

Taking away EZ stun from energy gun was good. Made HoP and Captain way less powerful without raiding armory.

Good luck de-Paprika-ing this change. If you fail, there is always the Advanced Energy Gun. It is worth the investment!

I just want to see what people think of the change and if we should keep it as is or return it.

I mean, if you want a wild card I could make two energy guns, one with disable and one with stun, but that's stupid and off topic.

Not really seeing them used in disable mode a lot anyway. If you are pushing the people who start with them enough they probably can get away with killing you anyway.

It was a good change tbh. Having a gun that tases and kills at the same time is ridiculous. HoS gets away with it because it's just one gun that needs to be recharged, but making these standard issue would be retarded.

Movespeed is too slow for tasers to be fair, especially 10 of them from a single gun.

Somewhat off topic but we could look to making Energy Guns rare but powerful, so only the Captain, HoP and HoS have one, but replace the Eguns in the armoury and similar with Lasers or whatever.

Well on retrospect that's stupid, it should be all or nothing.

However I'm more interested in what other's have to say then what I can spout on about.

I'm keen to see stuns reduced to the disabler effect but also causing your target to drop their weapon.

It would add value to taking the initiative (first hit) in combat, while also giving the losing party the chance to GTFO, with the risk of the second disabler hit slowing them.

TAZE & LAZE

Technically its easier to use a Taser to tase and then use a full Egun/Laser to lase them.

Disablers on the the eguns was a good change. Don't give them the ridiculous taser capacity they used to have.

It's one of the better weapon rebalances. You can no longer surprise stunlaser someone with a single weapon, as long as they respond quickly they have a chance to fight back.

There's not much difference between stunning someone with a Energy Gun, then swapping to Laser mode and firing, than stunning someone with a Taser, then swapping to a Laser/Energy Gun and firing.

If anything its more efficent to use a Taser for stunning. If you use one Egun to Tase n Lase someone you'll expend the entire gun, yet if you use a Taser + Laser you'll still have four shots in your Taser and a empty Laser Gun.

It's absolutely different. You have an additional gun to manage and it takes a bit longer to laser them into crit

Its two sides of the same coin, there might be a second in time difference between the two methods but fundamentally the only critical difference between the two methods is that the Taser+Laser method gives you the advantage that your Stun and Laser ammo pools are independant of one another, meaning you have a guaranteed five taser and ten (or twelve) laser shots, however you do have to carry a additional gun which may or may not be prohibitive.

The classic egun combo of having Stun and Laser on one gun, while this gives the advantage of having more space to carry things, suffers from drawning ammo from the same pool. So in order to stun and crit someone you need six rounds in total, meaning at most you can crit one person or kill one person with one egun if you just use the gun.

needing 2 guns to do what 1 gun used to do adds more overhead to your inventory management while under the stress of trying to be robust, which can buy your opponent that tiniest of windows they need to dunk you

if there is no difference there is no need to make a change.

Aren't we focussing on slowly phasing out taser shots instead of trying to re-add them...

firecage wrote:Aren't we focussing on slowly phasing out taser shots instead of trying to re-add them...

No, we're not. Paprika was aiming for that but he was never able to finish his work.

Amusingly the original reason why the HoP was given a round start Energy Gun all those years ago was because HoP's would often just go and nab a Egun from the armoury at round start for protection, so it was decided to just give the HoP a gun at round start.

I'm kinda split on this.

Tasers are strong in their own right but I have no doubt that disablers are by far the "ezmode" of the two weapon types. It is/was easy to yakety sax tasers in an open hallway due to the obvious projectile and limited range. Now even the least robust players can spray their disabler down the hall and it's only a matter of time before you get run down.

The thing that clinches it for me is that disablers are ezmode but they chew through ammo, making them less effective against multiple enemies. Tasers are the "high efficiency" weapon and it makes some sense to keep them with security.

On the other hand, certain gametypes like Nukeops really, really, really punish people who don't grab a taser. I got my office raided very early one round by a half-assed stealth op, but noticed the disk moving almost immediately and caught up to the operative outside medbay. I start firing disablers, he starts firing bulldog rounds... you can guess how that ended.

Final vote: Meh, its alright as it is. It would be nice if the cap's locker gun was a parallel to the HOS's though (all 3 types enabled).

Buffing the Captain's Laser to have Disable and Stun would not be a bad thing, the only detriment I can see is it would perhaps make Captains' want to take it more often, but to be frank Captain's usually take the gun when things get heavy already so its not much of a difference.

It seems better to me. Now if someone wants to tase and lase, they have to actually go and get a taser.

Meanwhile, the disabler still has utility and is good for slowing people down. You also don't have to be as good a shot with it.

disablers are fun

I would prefer a combat system where stuns were rare or nonexistent. Disablers were a step in the right direction.

I would prefer a combat system where stuns were rare or nonexistent. Disablers were a step in the right direction.

We need stuns to take down those Assistants who steal your prisoner/baton/secway and then run away. I like the idea of a disabler shot forcing the target to drop their weapon, though - they can pick it back up, of course, but it's a nice little ministun.