/tg/Station 13

• The AI core is now much close to engineering, with an accordingly shorter tube
• The sanitarium now has less windows and the door opens into the prison wing area instead of the prison wing access
• I can't make arrivals less desolate without pretty big changes to the layout, and, if such is needed at all, that'd be a way later thing
• The armory is now a lot less hard to breach into; It has only one layer of rwalls and part of that layer is open to space
• Science sec post can now see into R&D and the entrance
• There's a heater in toxins mixing now, it already had a freezer
• Replaced the middle cargo bay airlock with a tinted window
• There's an escape pod in maint because putting one in engineering would mean that overall area would have three pods, and, uh, science escape pod, sure
• There are a lot less 1-wide maint corridors, though there are still a few
• I'll update the map image sometime, probably wednesday or so Wew did that look at it
• If you want to see changes just download the map and yell at me once you discover some of those secrets

Scones wrote:"Secure high-risk areas should not be secure"

Sad to see you caved to the retards, I had hope

Pirou (655) MrStonedOne: <Miauw> you should testrun some of the new maps in the spriting and mapping section, ESPECIALLY birdboatstation for basil
MrStonedOne They need to be pr'ed, so I can just use that
MrStonedOne because of the whole live tracking from github thing, its not easy to make local changes

Miauw wrote:

Pirou (655) MrStonedOne: <Miauw> you should testrun some of the new maps in the spriting and mapping section, ESPECIALLY birdboatstation for basil
MrStonedOne They need to be pr'ed, so I can just use that
MrStonedOne because of the whole live tracking from github thing, its not easy to make local changes

pidey wrote:Huh, neat. I see a couple of problems from looking at the map though.

The atmos room outside of Virology seems to be setup wrong.
The maintainance to the east of the HoP's office has blue wires, while the rest of the station has green wires.
I'd remove the uranium from the mining shuttle bay. Uranium is too powerful for 3 minutes into the round.
Could you switch the loading and unloading docs on the cargo shuttle?
I don't see any lights in the mini maint rooms between toxins and the bomb kit room, and the bomb testing range launcher.
There's no reason to have the disposals from the turbine go in such a winding path to space, just replace that entire pipe segment with A short pipe that just goes straight north from the bin.


But aside from those issues, it looks like it has great potential.

Scones wrote:"Secure high-risk areas should not be secure"

Sad to see you caved to the retards, I had hope

Incoming wrote:This is only tangentially related to this map in particular but I feel like the big "THIS MAP IS PLAYING BECAUSE THE PLAYERS VOTED FOR IT" announcement is more inflammatory than anything since at any given time the number of players actually in game is significantly lower than the number of people who over the course of the day will actually experience the map.

Just say you're testing a map, you don't need to imply box is bad (because it's not).

As for this map, haven't taken a good hard look, but I did notice one thing.

On map clusterbang/10

Bawhoppennn wrote:

AnonymousNow wrote:

Anonus wrote: The departments are carefully placed to ensure traffic instead of for efficiency and I guess you don't like that. Maint is pretty restrained, though, it's by and large basically box maint.

Bawhoppennn wrote:

Anonus wrote: The departments are carefully placed to ensure traffic instead of for efficiency and I guess you don't like that. Maint is pretty restrained, though, it's by and large basically box maint.

Just because the layout looks good and efficient on paper, doesn't mean it performs well in practice.

Anonus wrote: I'm... not sure how that's related? It's intentionally inefficient and placed so that, generally, the left half of the station is the most populated side, and the right is more, but not entirely, deserted.

allura wrote:There is never justification for having science and medbay separate, regardless of how much you want to direct traffic. Look at Cogmap, which has Medbay and Science side by side, and the map still has equal distribution of commodities or departments.
The day that the retarded "science and medbay being apart" experiment dies is the day that shitty maps like yours finally die out and legitimately intutive or talented individuals can take the stage.

metacide wrote:The janitor needs a bucket in their office for transferring water and such.

allura wrote:There is never justification for having science and medbay separate, regardless of how much you want to direct traffic. Look at Cogmap, which has Medbay and Science side by side, and the map still has equal distribution of commodities or departments.
The day that the retarded "science and medbay being apart" experiment dies is the day that shitty maps like yours finally die out and legitimately intutive or talented individuals can take the stage.

allura wrote:Dismissing all of my opinions as "screeching" shows that thus far, you've proven to do nothing other than attempt to swoop in and defend all amateur mappers from everything I say, even when it's valid or the mapper themselves acknowledges me as correct. I would rather give feedback to mappers than actually make my own station for a community I'm not all that involved with.

Considering almost every bad map that's cropped up in the past few months to a year has shared the same theme of absolutely no foresight in department placement, of course I'm going to be embittered to dumbass decisions like the separation of medical and science. The game has always relied on departmental dynamic, such as security and command, engineering and atmospherics, and medical and science. Alienating people to the most basic rules of the game for the hence of arbitrary "traffic division" is shitty mapping. A mapper's job isn't to railroad the player into painful awkwardness that way they'll always be seeing every part of their absolutely fucking perfect map, it's to provide a playing field in which people enjoy moving about in, for its convenience or aesthetic appeal. If we really needed players to be split up across a fuckhuge station, why is TGstation the most popular map? Oh yeah, it's because all important things are in one small area, so that means more chaos happens when people are packed so tightly together.

Pushing boundaries is one of the most vital things to the progression of a game, but whenever you're pushing boundaries that risk people playing the map vs people who not playing it, then it's not worth the risk. It's smarter to experiment with smaller aspects such as placement of individual rooms or changing up smaller areas/adding new ones altogether (for example, adding an arcade to dorms or a swimming pool) but when you're absolutely overhauling the flow of the game for the sake of your map, you're creating something that just isn't fit for test running. This map would work better to a crowd totally unaware of the dynamic between medical and science, and people would grow used to the walk. Sadly, since this is a community that's been used to absolute convenience and everything being right out your doorstep for like 3 or 4 years now, you're just asking for trouble.

Anonus wrote:What the fuck does departmental dynamic mean?

Also, that entire post is basically fucking useless to me, as the mapper, because it's not feedback(that I can practically act on) besides "But my science needs acid from chemistry, as if the beaker and portable chem dispenser wasn't enough acid already"

1. Lack of oxygen closets. There are very few emergency closets in departments and almost none in the hallways.
2. Things aren't placed logically. For Science to get things from Medical, they have to traverse a very long distance, despite their interreliance.
3. The huge corridors. It makes walking a huge chore, and the constant dead ends are terrible design.
4. No Medbay exit button from inside the Medbay itself.
5. The Bar backroom is very dark, even with all lights lit

1. The bar has a lot of room for cocktails.
2. The shuttle's orientation changes when it launches. Very cool.
3. Maintenance is roomy.