/tg/Station 13

A long time ago, i remember TG station as a generally open speech server, where anyone could say whatever they wanted and bit the consequences in character. I saw a lot of liberation in that instead of a language policing server like goonstation. A long time ago people would use slurs or other language that was purposely offensive to start fights in character and it was still pretty funny. Policing language doesn't do anything to curb hate, and letting people fight is a reason a lot of people play games online.
There's also the issue that for sexist remarks, they get applied very unevenly. If you make fun of someone for being a woman, you eat a punishment, but if you dick shame someone you get off scott free. "bigotry" is a purposely ambiguous term that allows rule and law makers alike to just strait up silence anyone they happen to have a differing opinion on, especially if it has something that shines an actually truthful and factual statement that reflects a negative aspect of the rulemaker/lawmaker's opinions.
This is an extremely slippery slope and a prime example of this is what is happening in the united kingdom, where victims families are actually jailed for speaking out about their child getting murdered and the perpetrator getting off scott free with a slap on the wrist.
Ambiguous language in rules/laws in general are made specifically for this end, even if they start with the best intentions.
Please make tg talk shit get hit again.

nah fuck that shit dude piss off

Can you provide evidence of scot-free dick shaming? This is an escapist sci-fi game generally the idea is to not get caught up in stuff like that and ahelp it if people are being weird.

If you're gonna mention law makers and the UK and IRL you're in the weeds already. We're a community of people being chill and tinkering on a game. I don't think that the IRL circumstances that you're describing really apply to our standards or justify changing them.

Ambiguity is inherent to language because language is itself evolving and therefore ultimately cloudy and changing which has rippling effects. You can look through our ban appeals and even speak with admins about what the community norms are.

You sound pretty angry with society, there is not much we can do about that even if we agreed with you.

EDIT: What revisions are you suggesting? I don't see any in your OP.

nah fuck that shit dude piss off

nah fuck that shit dude piss off

nah fuck that shit dude piss off

tg is now made up of people who would feel genuinely unwelcome if policy went in that direction. rules exist for the current playerbase. losing a couple edgy words doesn't impact my in-game shifts to a relevant degree but it makes a lot of the players feel relieved that they don't have to deal with shit from the real world. I don't need to make this pixel game a battleground for a free speech war and to lose friends over it or to push policy that'd make people have a worse time in the game over a memory of when the server was filled with different people and different rules in a different era.

Sure, I don't like how much of an echo chamber tg has become but as long as I just ignore all the cringe political posting and play the game, it's done a pretty good job of keeping politics out of the game itself and that's all that really matters for my escapism and enjoyment of it. I've made so many new friends who could not and would not be a part of old tg, it's not worth changing the game they know to one they wouldn't enjoy anymore, especially if you're someone who can exist in both versions of the game (and if you weren't, you would have quit a long time ago, and if you hadn't, you would have quit a short time ago).

MatrixOne wrote: ↑Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:03 am tg is now made up of people who would feel genuinely unwelcome if policy went in that direction. rules exist for the current playerbase. losing a couple edgy words doesn't impact my in-game shifts to a relevant degree but it makes a lot of the players feel relieved that they don't have to deal with shit from the real world. I don't need to make this pixel game a battleground for a free speech war and to lose friends over it or to push policy that'd make people have a worse time in the game over a memory of when the server was filled with different people and different rules in a different era.

Sure, I don't like how much of an echo chamber tg has become but as long as I just ignore all the cringe political posting and play the game, it's done a pretty good job of keeping politics out of the game itself and that's all that really matters for my escapism and enjoyment of it. I've made so many new friends who could not and would not be a part of old tg, it's not worth changing the game they know to one they wouldn't enjoy anymore, especially if you're someone who can exist in both versions of the game (and if you weren't, you would have quit a long time ago, and if you hadn't, you would have quit a short time ago).

What do you consider to be “old TG”

Keep it a game and not a fucking soapbox (and by that I mean we should be harsher on rule 11 shit, keep your IRL stuff out of 2d spaceman)

nah fuck that shit dude piss off

nah fuck that shit dude piss off

we are a clubhouse of nerds playing a video game together that we would actually like to enjoy we are not a government or the last bastion of free speech in a world gone mad

you can talk shit IC all you want i do it constantly just make it work in the context of a roleplaying game where you are playing a role in the cartoony universe of ss13 put some effort in above being a low effort ragebaiting troll and wowie zowie the game can be fun look at that. if anyone made fun of anyone's genitals in a weird way they would get told to stop and if admins are selectively enforcing bigotry rules you should complaint them because we should be welcoming to all genders and identities on an ooc level and this should not be targeted through the lens of ic

also i get people strongly opposed this in here but please don't shit post the same thing over and over posting standards are higher here please at least say why you don't like the proposal it's not asking a lot, matrixones post above is perfect

if there are any more i will hand out warnings like the annoying busybody i am ty for your understanding

i would rather this all just fall under rule 1 but I understand why it needs spelled out better for certain groups.

We will not be making any alterations to Rule 11.

The goal of rule 11 is also NOT to alter the way people think, what people decide to be outside of our community is beyond our remit or scope (not to mention largely pointless trying to convince people of things on the internet), the rule simply moderates the behaviour within our community. If someone wants to go "hate" people they don't even know as their life choices, that's on them, but it is left at the door and doesn't come here. That's what rule 11 protects.

As for starting IC conflict, xenophobia remains the option, provided you can find a way to express this that isn't just rebadging real life racism, it simply requires thinking outside the box and using creativity. (Edit: Your options for disrupting another players round as a non antag are very limited though, see rule 1)

I'll just skip the closing paragraphs from the OP.