/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 12:11 am**

There's no need for it.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 12:41 am**

Part of me agrees, but part of me also acknowledges that there's valid reasons to use the word from time to time and another third part of me thinks it should stay because it's a good trap for the kind of person who gets really fucking mad at us for telling them they can't make rape jokes.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 1:36 am**

Vekter wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 12:41 am Part of me agrees, but part of me also acknowledges that there's valid reasons to use the word from time to time and another third part of me thinks it should stay because it's a good trap for the kind of person who gets really fucking mad at us for telling them they can't make rape jokes.

What's a valid use case for the word?

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 1:43 am**

vect0r wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 1:36 am
Vekter wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 12:41 am Part of me agrees, but part of me also acknowledges that there's valid reasons to use the word from time to time and another third part of me thinks it should stay because it's a good trap for the kind of person who gets really fucking mad at us for telling them they can't make rape jokes.
What's a valid use case for the word?

There's certain historical events that use the word. Imma be real, I'm not like significantly against wordfiltering this, I was just presenting possible reasons not to.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 2:59 am**

Vekter wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 1:43 am
vect0r wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 1:36 am
Vekter wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 12:41 am Part of me agrees, but part of me also acknowledges that there's valid reasons to use the word from time to time and another third part of me thinks it should stay because it's a good trap for the kind of person who gets really fucking mad at us for telling them they can't make rape jokes.
What's a valid use case for the word?
There's certain historical events that use the word. Imma be real, I'm not like significantly against wordfiltering this, I was just presenting possible reasons not to.

I don't think people would be talking about that 500 years into the future. +1 for hard filter

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 3:27 am**

Vekter wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 1:43 am
vect0r wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 1:36 am
Vekter wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 12:41 am Part of me agrees, but part of me also acknowledges that there's valid reasons to use the word from time to time and another third part of me thinks it should stay because it's a good trap for the kind of person who gets really fucking mad at us for telling them they can't make rape jokes.
What's a valid use case for the word?
There's certain historical events that use the word. Imma be real, I'm not like significantly against wordfiltering this, I was just presenting possible reasons not to.

I doubt that the Rape of Nanking is going to come up IC, nor rapeseed oil. On the off chance that this or any other kind of Scunthorpe Problem occurs, the soft filter exists to ask people "Are you sure you want to say this? Because usually it's a bad idea to say this." I think that's pretty decent considering that we're ultimately seeking to help people avoid getting a note or a ban.

Some kind of filtering does seem appropriate as it's a viscerally unsavory word that will likely result in getting bopped if you use it.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 4:02 am**

if we put every word we don't like to see onto a hard filter, we're not going to be able to filter the people who would unabashedly use those words out as effectively.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 4:36 am**

i dont think this is a bad idea necessarily, i just dont think its better than admins telling people off / punting people into the sun.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 5:14 am**

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:02 am if we put every word we don't like to see onto a hard filter, we're not going to be able to filter the people who would unabashedly use those words out as effectively.

This is honestly my biggest reason for not wanting to block it, but I also don't care enough that if the headmins decided to block it I would raise a stink.

I'd absolutely support adding it to the soft filter though.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 5:30 am**

I hear it very rarely and its usually used by some person that got arrested/kidnapped and screams help sec/antag raping me I don'/ really like the word. but i think its definitly worth putting it in on soft filter so admins get alerted (and its left on their juridisction) like we already have with other words antag etc

Edit: isn't this a code issue though?

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 5:57 am**

Would it also block the word therapeutic

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 9:00 am**

Ezel wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 5:30 am Edit: isn't this a code issue though?

Adding/removing things from the word filter?
Not only is it not a code issue, we literally can't have the word filter list on github because it turns out "here's a list of every slur" upsets github's moderation policy

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 5:02 pm**

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:02 am if we put every word we don't like to see onto a hard filter, we're not going to be able to filter the people who would unabashedly use those words out as effectively.

It would be trivial to notify the admins whenever someone tries to use the banned word.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 5:39 pm**

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:02 am if we put every word we don't like to see onto a hard filter, we're not going to be able to filter the people who would unabashedly use those words out as effectively.

This frames moderation as a kind of morality test: that we need to "catch" people saying bad things to reveal their essential wrongness. I don't agree with that. The internet brings a mix of cultures and maturities, and I'd much rather someone get a nudge that they're being tone-deaf than be silently filtered and preemptively written off.

Hard filters aren't soul-saving devices. They're UX tools. We're not gatekeeping moral purity; we're just trying to keep the space civil. Treating people as if they're irredeemable because of a single misstep isn't protective: it's how you create the alienated villains you claim to oppose.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 6:59 pm**

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 5:39 pm
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:02 am if we put every word we don't like to see onto a hard filter, we're not going to be able to filter the people who would unabashedly use those words out as effectively.
This frames moderation as a kind of morality test: that we need to "catch" people saying bad things to reveal their essential wrongness. I don't agree with that. The internet brings a mix of cultures and maturities, and I'd much rather someone get a nudge that they're being tone-deaf than be silently filtered and preemptively written off.

Hard filters aren't soul-saving devices. They're UX tools. We're not gatekeeping moral purity; we're just trying to keep the space civil. Treating people as if they're irredeemable because of a single misstep isn't protective: it's how you create the alienated villains you claim to oppose.

that's why it belongs on a soft filter, not a hard one. our admins shouldn't be tyrranical puritans who ban someone the first time it is said without any context or 'hey we don't do that here' first. it's the people we already have warned and informed why they're being warned who go on to do it again that filter themselves out of the vibe check.

Posted: **Mon May 19, 2025 7:44 pm**

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 6:59 pm
RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 5:39 pm
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:02 am if we put every word we don't like to see onto a hard filter, we're not going to be able to filter the people who would unabashedly use those words out as effectively.
This frames moderation as a kind of morality test: that we need to "catch" people saying bad things to reveal their essential wrongness. I don't agree with that. The internet brings a mix of cultures and maturities, and I'd much rather someone get a nudge that they're being tone-deaf than be silently filtered and preemptively written off.

Hard filters aren't soul-saving devices. They're UX tools. We're not gatekeeping moral purity; we're just trying to keep the space civil. Treating people as if they're irredeemable because of a single misstep isn't protective: it's how you create the alienated villains you claim to oppose.
that's why it belongs on a soft filter, not a hard one. our admins shouldn't be tyrranical puritans who ban someone the first time it is said without any context or 'hey we don't do that here' first. it's the people we already have warned and informed why they're being warned who go on to do it again that filter themselves out of the vibe check.

I see, yeah. Soft filter good.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2025 4:37 am**

Seems like a good soft filter candidate.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2025 7:47 am**

if we were hard filtering, id rather more prominent slurs/bigotry go first, aka the n word.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2025 1:07 pm**

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 7:47 am if we were hard filtering, id rather more prominent slurs/bigotry go first, aka the n word.

Aren't those already hard filtered? I have obviously never tried to type them, but I would assume they would be.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2025 5:16 pm**

Not only is it already filtered, it was filtered many moons ago under MSO's former reign.

He ran the stats on the word's usage on Terry and discovered that was a rounding-error-to-0% """correct""" usage of the word and that basically every instance was OOC in IC. As a result, it was added to the hard word filter which was exclusively OOC in IC terms.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2025 10:51 pm**

kinnebian wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 7:47 am if we were hard filtering, id rather more prominent slurs/bigotry go first, aka the n word.

My first term did that after the host offered us the opportunity (after saying for years it wouldn't happen), Hulk made a video about it.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2025 11:16 pm**

it’s kind of funny that nobody actually knows what is on the soft filter or what is on the hard filter because you have to say the words to find out if they are for sure

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 5:16 pm Not only is it already filtered, it was filtered many moons ago under MSO's former reign.

is it currently hard filtered, then? or just soft filtered?

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