[<Iansdoor>] Annihilite - Power and escalation
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:10 pm
BYOND account: Annihilite
Ban/note type (Server Ban/Discord Ban/Forum Ban/Note): Note
Ban/note duration: Permanent
Ban/note reason:As a non-antag botantist in a skub round, was frustated with CE cutting power, to the west side of the catwalkstation, went ahead, after security non-lethally detained the CE, killed a cuffed CE with a welder, leaving their body on the floor, taking their belongings. Escalation rules state that you may start conflict with them, but killing a crewmate is a severe response, and requires severe justification to do and any critically wounded characters must be treated or taken to the medbay by the standing party where reasonable, and taking unnecessary action against a downed player opens you up to reprisal. https://wiki.tgstation13.org/Rules
Time ban was placed:2025-04-18 18:56:22
Server you were playing on when banned:Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed:Round 251349
Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
(x) - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
(x) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?:
I'll get right to it: The CE turned off my power for 30-40 minutes (from his console which is impossible for anyone without his ID to fix and also apparently takes like half an hour to reenable the APCs even after it is) because he started shit with the captain over Skub, resulting in the crew calling to lynch him and the captain ordering him KOS. He was, according to you, fully within his rights to do this to me and everyone else on the section of the station whose workplaces were inoperable, despite us being entirely uninvolved in command's fight. However, despite this - as quoted from escalation policy - "excessively interfering with their ability to do their job" (by blocking it entirely for most of the round) I was not allowed to treat him as an antag, which I would be expected to do had he broken escalation in any other way like attacking me out of nowhere, telling security i was a changeling or otherwise doing stuff that'd get a nonantag banned. It has also been verboten for all the years I've played that if you fuck with someone or the entire crew to a certain extent you're automatically valid and don't get to cry when your head ends up in a toilet (See my own note which we discussed). It's covered in the "act like an antag, get treated like an antag" policy.
While perhaps not relevant for this appeal, I will also say that you didnt note or ban the captain for publically ordering the CE KOS. If the CE was not valid, why did you not see any issue with that?
All in all, the situation is absurd. My workplace is rendered inoperable, the CE is decried as having sabotaged the station's power over comms, the captain orders him KOS and your argument for why i cant treat him like the antag he's acting as is that "I am not security"? On a server with no stay in your lane rules?
Ban/note type (Server Ban/Discord Ban/Forum Ban/Note): Note
Ban/note duration: Permanent
Ban/note reason:As a non-antag botantist in a skub round, was frustated with CE cutting power, to the west side of the catwalkstation, went ahead, after security non-lethally detained the CE, killed a cuffed CE with a welder, leaving their body on the floor, taking their belongings. Escalation rules state that you may start conflict with them, but killing a crewmate is a severe response, and requires severe justification to do and any critically wounded characters must be treated or taken to the medbay by the standing party where reasonable, and taking unnecessary action against a downed player opens you up to reprisal. https://wiki.tgstation13.org/Rules
Time ban was placed:2025-04-18 18:56:22
Server you were playing on when banned:Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed:Round 251349
Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
(x) - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
(x) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?:
I'll get right to it: The CE turned off my power for 30-40 minutes (from his console which is impossible for anyone without his ID to fix and also apparently takes like half an hour to reenable the APCs even after it is) because he started shit with the captain over Skub, resulting in the crew calling to lynch him and the captain ordering him KOS. He was, according to you, fully within his rights to do this to me and everyone else on the section of the station whose workplaces were inoperable, despite us being entirely uninvolved in command's fight. However, despite this - as quoted from escalation policy - "excessively interfering with their ability to do their job" (by blocking it entirely for most of the round) I was not allowed to treat him as an antag, which I would be expected to do had he broken escalation in any other way like attacking me out of nowhere, telling security i was a changeling or otherwise doing stuff that'd get a nonantag banned. It has also been verboten for all the years I've played that if you fuck with someone or the entire crew to a certain extent you're automatically valid and don't get to cry when your head ends up in a toilet (See my own note which we discussed). It's covered in the "act like an antag, get treated like an antag" policy.
While perhaps not relevant for this appeal, I will also say that you didnt note or ban the captain for publically ordering the CE KOS. If the CE was not valid, why did you not see any issue with that?
All in all, the situation is absurd. My workplace is rendered inoperable, the CE is decried as having sabotaged the station's power over comms, the captain orders him KOS and your argument for why i cant treat him like the antag he's acting as is that "I am not security"? On a server with no stay in your lane rules?