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TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:17 am Hey, I decided to delete the painting because its use was getting excessive, its telling that this removal was seen at roundstart because someone ran to print one instantly. I had seen this type of thing play out before with the soyjack paintings before it and that had ended in notes, so instead of that I chose to just delete the annoying orange painting. As Vektor says we're allowed to delete meme paintings, its just not often that they're used excessively enough to warrant intervention in this case though I believe its use had gotten to that point. Lastly, I am not sure you are allowed to make a complaint on behalf of someone else? But that might just be for the headmins to decide.

Chimpston wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:44 pm

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:17 am Hey, I decided to delete the painting because its use was getting excessive, its telling that this removal was seen at roundstart because someone ran to print one instantly. I had seen this type of thing play out before with the soyjack paintings before it and that had ended in notes, so instead of that I chose to just delete the annoying orange painting. As Vektor says we're allowed to delete meme paintings, its just not often that they're used excessively enough to warrant intervention in this case though I believe its use had gotten to that point. Lastly, I am not sure you are allowed to make a complaint on behalf of someone else? But that might just be for the headmins to decide.

I'm well aware of your thoughts on the matter already. I posted the logs. I don't see a reason why I shouldn't make an appeal since we made it together.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:50 pm Idgaf about admins deleting OOC meme reference paintings.

Make the smallest bit of effort to transform it into an in-universe representation such that even a single admin feels like arguing it should be allowed to remain.

Plus, we have annoying orange at home. He's right here in our community with a variety of interesting avatars over the years that you can take inspiration from.

Or just stop using this stale meme entirely. That works too. Also less likely to end up with someone being treated like they sipped a bit too much sussy baka juice and now they're being thrown out of an airlock.

That's just my take on it though.

Plus, we have annoying orange at home. He's right here in our community with a variety of interesting avatars over the years that you can take inspiration from.

[Or just stop using this stale meme entirely. That works too.

Also less likely to end up with someone being treated like they sipped a bit too much sussy baka juice and now they're being thrown out of an airlock.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:15 pm We don't have a dedicated team to curating the library or paintings in general. However, that doesn't mean an individual admin can't decide that your individual pricegáhrbáhgeless work of art is infact a derivative load of gáhrbáhge and delete it. The key being how much attention you bring to your pricelessly worthless piece of gáhrbáhge. I'm fairly sure there aren't Manuel players dragging Obama paintings around and screaming "GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT" every time someone walks by with a weapon, which would very quickly run dry.

Admins are built different and have a broader pass to do or permit OOC memery than players do in the spirit of their partial role as DMs. As a wonderful maintainer pointed out in our admin channels; "if it wasn't Snoy it would be touhou_fumos.dmi" - that's one of the wonderful benefits of being an admin. Of course that comes with increased responsibility - when players copy admins over-using OOC memery, the admin gets in trouble far more than the player would. Monkey see, monkey do and all that.

But I don't see admins using annoying orange memes. And I don't hear of admins using them. And nobody has spoken to me of admins using them. Soooo, that one's a swing and a miss for me. And feedback on it would better be served in individual admin feedback threads more than complaints unless it was truly excessive.

The prohibition on community/player references is a restriction on adding them within the codebase. It has nothing to do with us.

And a key difference between you and I is that for the next ~4 months my preferences influence things like how the admin team approach players referencing memes ICly or when the admin team may consider a meme stale and/or overdone and/or ready to be retired. Your preferences do not.

And my preference is that the admin team have the authoritah to handle stuff like this with a broad dose of individual discretion as long as the admin isn't operating in bad faith or deleting paintings that fall within the spirit of actual SS13 art. Because it's all just skirting the lines of NRP and OOC in IC in a way that I care not to argue the minutia of detail over.

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:54 pm I had no idea it was created without any sort of assistance because it had JPEG artifacts on it. I can inform you before deleting your painting though (assuming you are online) and going forward I will do that, its my bad, I should've looked at the authors before hand. As I said this painting was really an edge case, this isnt very common. Really though I would just encourage you to try to make your JPEGs more IC if you want to use them as such, like you could have made one of the unique botany fruits or come up with some space fruit of your own to use, this just didnt even have the thinnest veil of being IC to me.

Chimpston wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:59 pm That's okay. I would also like to mention that I have noticed that my recently published painting of this irritating orange I have painted myself was removed soon after it was published. I was a botanist smashing my head against walls repeatedly, naturally. As I stood aside my tray full of oranges, filled with left-for-zed on autogrow. The harvest had an interesting assortment of oranges, including hyper-dimensional oranges and... this newly discovered mutation, there was something with it. It pissed me off greatly, that damned expression. I had to paint this to make sure that I wasn't losing my mind. Any idea as to who could have done such?

Chimpston wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:47 pm I'm not accusing you of removing it, I just don't know where else I can ask since it's related, and the peanut thread is abysmal.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:08 pmLol

Addendum: What is expected of admins wrote: ↑3. All posts by admins in FNR should be meaningful and contribute to the discussion.

Scriptis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:46 pm Timberpoes has been demoted to Assistant Executive Head Admin for his lapse in judgement.

I would also like to state for the record that the Irritating Citrus painting is blessed and made me giggle and I will investigate re-adding it to Terry this afternoon

edit: I will not make any further judgements about admin conduct or OOC in IC behavior, I just want that painting framed in my office

GamerAndYeahMick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:14 pm I pretty much agree with Timber when he says he doesn't care about what meme paintings get deleted especially when they can tangibly be pointed to as a source for OOC in IC, But I felt I should address common argumentation used against such deletions

1) Admins and inserting OOC shit into the Round and hypocrisy - Yes, it is hypocritical if you do not like hierarchies and classes of people with more rights or leadership. But the simple truth of the matter of how something becomes OOC or not is based on how it becomes manifest in the SS13 universe, two people can make something exist inside the SS13 universe (Admins through admin fuckery temporarily and contributors if the maintainers merge their PR). on a side note not all instances of admin fuckery doesn't cross some sort of OOC in IC line, but it is genuinely true that admin fuckery inserting stuff into the game temporarily also makes that thing an IC thing to talk about and reference temporarily.

2) This seems like boring old admins being boring old admins - Yes. It is necessary to kill what is funny to players sometimes as someone in the janitorial shadow government elitist class because it will get done to death and make the rounds continuously filled with boring OOC in IC meme references until people get tired and move on to the next one killing any semblance of muh immershun.

3) The subjective nature of art - What can be considered art and what can be considered good/funny/beautiful can be said to be subjective on the level of human opinion and what we think but beauty and goodness is objective and the annoying orange is not objectively good or beautiful.

All that is left really is for dramazing to chime in here, but it's safe to say that at least 2/3 headmins do not want to uphold the complaint.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:39 pm (I considered it amicably resolved at this post and have basically just been shitposting since)

It was Kinnebian, he thought it was just a continuation of the same paintings already deleted, so he deleted it too. It has already been discussed in the admin channels though,

...so it's not worth building a house in your head about it. He wouldn't pay the rent.