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fuck it we ball

Can I cast a vote of no confidence? Because I have zero confidence in any of your claims.
Well, except the trial by combat one, that's pretty funny honestly.

Even as a headmin, you won't be able to dictate something to the scale of "legitimize Wallstation", and the entire situation that caused it won't be solved by doing so anyways- And you imply that the issue that caused it will remain on servers that aren't it, anyways.

Your claim of the surveys is less impossible, but I've seen you dismiss player opinions on your own PRs just as much as the people you're implying you would fight back against with these polls. Granted, yes, you have gone off when it was taken to extremes, but that doesn't change your previous actions and attitude.

Can you prove in any way that any part of your "campaign" is anything other than an attempt to capitalize upon the TG playerbase's complete disruption and dissatisfaction?

I won't laugh. But we all know goofball to be more than a meme. there has always been three heads of TG, some fruit, some goof, some stoner as long as I can remember. You can be a very serious person that sometimes reflects on their actions. I know recently you got to see adminbus, do you think you would be able to control the giggly of yourself and be levelheaded to talk about the direction of admins and players?

iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:45 am I know recently you got to see adminbus

this is news to me, when did this happen?

Thranos wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:44 am Can you prove in any way that any part of your "campaign" is anything other than an attempt to capitalize upon the TG playerbase's complete disruption and dissatisfaction?

I am a firm believer in Trial By Combat and will personally help organize any and all trials by combat needed

players have been asking me to run on it again for years, and so i am delivering

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:48 am

iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:45 am I know recently you got to see adminbus

this is news to me, when did this happen?

You can't just bypass the answer. oh my god. Goof real talk, can you herd the cats or will you peter out cause herding cats is exhausting?

iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:55 am

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:48 am

iansdoor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:45 am I know recently you got to see adminbus

this is news to me, when did this happen?

You can't just bypass the answer. oh my god. Goof real talk, can you herd the cats or will you peter out cause herding cats is exhausting?

i've been herding the cats for over a decade, this won't be a problem

Other than the Trial By Combat section of your platform, can you back up any of your platform claims?
The legitimization of Wallstation, the Player Surveys? And you seem to imply that all theoretical TG servers other than Wallstation would remain on The Wallening- Can you elaborate?

Thranos wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:57 am Other than the Trial By Combat section of your platform, can you back up any of your platform claims?
The legitimization of Wallstation, the Player Surveys? And you seem to imply that all theoretical TG servers other than Wallstation would remain on The Wallening- Can you elaborate?

Stock vanilla /tg/ servers are keyed to the /tg/station codebase, and per election policy I can't discuss the /tg/ codebase.

I can, however, advocate for officially running Wallstation codebase as a /tg/ server, like how TGMC is run by /tg/.

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:00 am I can, however, advocate for officially running Wallstation codebase as a /tg/ server, like how TGMC is run by /tg/.

Have you actually discussed this possibility with Jupiter (the host of Wallstation) at all?

Hi there, host of wallstation here.

Goof isn't connected to us in any way and has no power to make #2 happen. We haven't agreed to any such thing yet. Goof specifically has not even brought it up to us yet.

GPeckman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:05 am

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:00 am I can, however, advocate for officially running Wallstation codebase as a /tg/ server, like how TGMC is run by /tg/.

Have you actually discussed this possibility with Jupiter (the host of Wallstation) at all?

I have to win the election first before we can get the ball rolling on this but for a variety of reasons I'm sure they'd be on board.

JupiterJaeden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:07 am Hi there, host of wallstation here.

Goof isn't connected to us in any way and has no power to make #2 happen. We haven't agreed to any such thing yet.

As stated above, by the Wallstation current host.

I have to win the election first before we can get the ball rolling on this but for a variety of reasons I'm sure they'd be on board.

Big assumption there mate, because I can personally tell you (as host of wallstation) that is far from a certainty.

Have you actually discussed this possibility with Jupiter (the host of Wallstation) at all?

Negative. The possibility has been discussed, but not with goof. Repeating again that goof has absolutely 0 power over us and cannot guarantee point #2 to happen in any way, shape, or form.

JupiterJaeden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:08 am

I have to win the election first before we can get the ball rolling on this but for a variety of reasons I'm sure they'd be on board.

Big assumption there mate, because I can personally tell you (as host of wallstation) that is far from a certainty.

given that you are currently suggesting to your playerbase that they participate in this election despite being a separate community because one of the candidates wants to rebase /tg/ to your codebase, i'm not sure why you're suddenly so concerned about headmin support for Wallstation

given that you are currently suggesting to your playerbase that they participate in this election despite being a separate community because one of the candidates wants to rebase /tg/ to your codebase, i'm not sure why you're suddenly so concerned about headmin support for Wallstation

Because you're a slimy fucking liar who doesn't give a shit about wallstation. Judging by your posts on discord, that is.

For anyone who wants to see those posts:
https://imgur.com/a/xaOqFcf
https://imgur.com/a/Y0aB8vU
https://imgur.com/a/vK01wvu

Oh yea, and rebasing /tg/ to our codebase is very different than having us rolled in like TGMC. And you know it. And you know the long term outcomes of those are very, very different.

Saying now as the host of wallstation that while I will continue talks with MSO, I have absolutely 0 intention of cooperating with iamgoofball as a headmin in any way, shape, or form.

EDIT: I've also decided to ban iamgoofball from the wallstation discord for this behavior. I want to make it abundantly clear he has absolutely no ties with us or ability to get anything from us.

JupiterJaeden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:17 am EDIT: I've also decided to ban iamgoofball from the wallstation discord for this behavior. I want to make it abundantly clear he has absolutely no ties with us or ability to get anything from us.

lol they banned me for outing them as trying to interfere with the /tg/ election lmao

i'm filing official complaints with the election council then, if you're this upset about competition that you'll send your playerbase to try to fuck with our election and then get pissy when people offer alternative solutions then you shouldn't be involved in the electoral process here

You're the one who's been spamming your campaign thread on various discords including (but not limited to) Wallstation and Bubber.
I don't know what the point is you're trying to make here.

i'm filing official complaints with the election council then, if you're this upset about competition that you'll send your playerbase to try to fuck with our election and then get pissy when people offer alternative solutions then you shouldn't be involved in the electoral process here

@orangesnz
— Today at 12:28 AM
#tgstation-general
"believe it or not goof, telling people to vote for something you believe in.. not a crime"

lol, lmao even

Oh if anyone didn't get where goofball was going with comparing us to the "killing the free manuel party", here's him elaborating further: https://imgur.com/a/Y0aB8vU

Wallstation just got executed live by the headcoders because wallening is being reverted now so STAY TUNED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE PLATFORM #2 FOR GOOF 2024

Wallstation is still there, and the rift caused by the wallening still remains- unlike your campaign platform.

I like the trial by combat plan. Can I do it even if I’m not banned

trail by combat? i'm in

If you won, would it make it any more likely some of your neat PRs in the past might go through? Just curious!

im going to sidestep all the wall stuff and try to articulate why ive always been extremely wary about your headmin pitches

you've contributed a lot of very cool and good shit, and youve been in the community for a very long time so i respect your seniority, but it feels like you also have a really bad habit of either going out of your way to take off hand comments by maintainers/headcoders as reasons to make prs that feel extremely spiteful (hypothetical: "oranges said once in a convo that security should be more lethal, im going to make a pr that nerfs stun batons") or prs that outright attack or blame the admin team for not administrating correctly (actual example: "admins aren't keeping people from tiding medbay so we have to pr removing self-suture usage and make it clear its because the admins are bad at doing their job")

im not going to say every take you have is wrong or bad but as someone who's pretty comfortable with how adminning is done, what can you say to assuage the fears i have that you becoming headmin is going to turn into you leveraging that power in the same sort of way as with the prs, very aggressively pushing for admins to admin the game in a Very Specific Way?

basically what im saying is i think you being headmin would lead to a lot of conflict just based on how you respond to stuff codewise and id like to be wrong about that

Mr Goofball Sir is there any Possibility any Chance that, if you were to win, you'd push for your HRP server concept thing? Please? I really liked it....

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:56 am Wallstation just got executed live by the headcoders because wallening is being reverted now so STAY TUNED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE PLATFORM #2 FOR GOOF 2024

Okay. I don't think I can vouch for goof after this, how opportunistic can you get man? That's just sad.
You have absolutely no shame in shitting on wallstation, using it as leverage for your campaign, then shitting on the server again as soon as it wont further whatever it is you care to do.

Headmin is a title that should be given to someone passionate and who cares, especially about the community. This shows how little you actually care. And here I thought the reason you got so angry in the first place was because you're passionate.

MothNyan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:47 am

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:56 am Wallstation just got executed live by the headcoders because wallening is being reverted now so STAY TUNED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE PLATFORM #2 FOR GOOF 2024

Okay. I don't think I can vouch for goof after this, how opportunistic can you get man? That's just sad.

wallstation the codebase is literally just /tg/ without wallening, since vanilla /tg/ is reverting the wallening explain to me the purpose of running a wallstation codebase when their defining and only feature is "doesn't have wallening"

if wallstation gets some actual features that aren't just "doesn't have wallening" then sure we can run it again but as it stands that killer feature is now a vanilla /tg/ feature so i don't see why it needs to remain on the docket

i didn't expect headcoders to revert wallening, tbqh

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:31 am wallstation the codebase is literally just /tg/ without wallening, since vanilla /tg/ is reverting the wallening explain to me the purpose of running a wallstation codebase when their defining and only feature is "doesn't have wallening"

if wallstation gets some actual features that aren't just "doesn't have wallening" then sure we can run it again but as it stands that killer feature is now a vanilla /tg/ feature so i don't see why it needs to remain on the docket

i didn't expect headcoders to revert wallening, tbqh

wallstation has a decent chunk of its own things codewise and rulewise such as the l-word being banned and such

Vote goof 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027. Don't vote goof 2028, that's the year of Mr Beast headmin. Then back to goof 2029.

TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:41 am Mr Goofball Sir is there any Possibility any Chance that, if you were to win, you'd push for your HRP server concept thing? Please? I really liked it....

bro I totally missed this one sorry

yeah i'd be down for that, depends on who the other two headmins are tho

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:38 am im not going to say every take you have is wrong or bad but as someone who's pretty comfortable with how adminning is done, what can you say to assuage the fears i have that you becoming headmin is going to turn into you leveraging that power in the same sort of way as with the prs, very aggressively pushing for admins to admin the game in a Very Specific Way?

basically what im saying is i think you being headmin would lead to a lot of conflict just based on how you respond to stuff codewise and id like to be wrong about that

this is why the headmin seat is 3 people; if i can't convince the other two headmins or at least one other headmin it's a good idea, then it's probably not gonna work out

Goofball, I'm going to level with you, you took a position of anti-wallening and ended up pissing them off by exaggerating your involvement, then basically threw away any chance of reconciliation with them.

Your toxicity is a issue here, and is something we really don't want in this painful time where confidence in the team is low and we're trying to rebuild bridges.

How are you going to ensure you are able to spend your term as headmins without pissing off the playerbase, the admins, the codebase, or your fellow headmins?

Alright so, I now have to ask.

Recently an admin removed someone's timeout from playing the roulette bot in the TG discord; the consequence of this was the removal of the roulette mute function.

How would you handle if something like this happened in a trail by combat? Someone got a friendly resolution and was going to be unbanned, asks for trial by combat, loses, gets rebanned for a full year, asks to not be banned that way and the admin actually does it. How would you handle this? Would you let it slide? Deadmin the admin? Ban the guy for one more sentence? What happens?

And what if an admin refuses to participate in a trial by combat?

Your 1v1 for the ban appeals thing probably wouldn't fly with me unless it was a very funny ban appeal or the banned player wasn't so bad, what do you think about that and would you be willing to compromise so that it wouldn't be every ban appeal? additionally how do you think you will do when dealing with the admins and other head admins who may not have the fondest feelings about your personality? do you think you will engage in conversation differently than you currently do considering the head admin position has the obligation to be more responsible and nuanced with the statements they make?

Archie700 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:00 pm How are you going to ensure you are able to spend your term as headmins without pissing off the playerbase, the admins, the codebase, or your fellow headmins?

I think the electorate and players and admins will be satisfied with my decisionmaking and I think they will be very happy.

EuSouAFazenda wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:37 pm
Recently an admin removed someone's timeout from playing the roulette bot in the TG discord; the consequence of this was the removal of the roulette mute function.

How would you handle if something like this happened in a trail by combat? Someone got a friendly resolution and was going to be unbanned, asks for trial by combat, loses, gets rebanned for a full year, asks to not be banned that way and the admin actually does it. How would you handle this? Would you let it slide? Deadmin the admin? Ban the guy for one more sentence? What happens?

Why would I overrule the admin's decision on this front? If they wanna be generous and unban the person even though they lost, it's their ban, they can do what they want with it.

Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:31 pm And what if an admin refuses to participate in a trial by combat?

If elected I'll get a proper Terms and Conditions set up for Trial By Combat but there's three big caveats to the system as outlined in the OP of this thread:

1. You have to write an admission of guilt and a sincere apology.
2. Said admission of guilt and sincere apology have to be accepted by the admin.
3. Rule 8/9/11 bans are not allowed to be trial-by-combatted due to the nature of those infractions.

If we need to add additional caveats to it if holes are discovered in practice, that's totally reasonable and I think we can work on that.

I'm not gonna make an admin go through with this if they're uncomfortable doing it, but I think it's a good way to encourage people to actually understand why they were banned and apologize for their behavior while also providing good community entertainment. We like our bread and circuses here at /tg/, you need only look at the Player's Club peanut threads to see that, and this is a good way to both provide that bread and circuses while subtly encouraging what we actually want players to do for ban appeals when they're in the wrong: understand what they did wrong, and apologize.

GamerAndYeahMick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:05 pm Your 1v1 for the ban appeals thing probably wouldn't fly with me unless it was a very funny ban appeal or the banned player wasn't so bad, what do you think about that and would you be willing to compromise so that it wouldn't be every ban appeal?

The answer to Archie700 gets into this, so I'd have to refer to that for this question.

GamerAndYeahMick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:05 pm additionally how do you think you will do when dealing with the admins and other head admins who may not have the fondest feelings about your personality? do you think you will engage in conversation differently than you currently do considering the head admin position has the obligation to be more responsible and nuanced with the statements they make?

Headmin statements do require nuance, but I think you do need people who can get to the heart of a matter quickly and effectively. I've gone to bat for our community more times than I can count and I care deeply about /tg/station as a community. I think this'll be no problem for me.

iamgoofball, man, myth, legend, force of nature. Your passion and dedication to the community is incredible. Thank you for all that you've done.

When I showed up here you had already cemented your name in community history and were on a hiatus. You came back different, at least that's what people said.
Is that true?
If so, was the change inherently tied to being away from the community? Was the change a sudden shift or had it been building up in you for a while?

What do you foresee as being the most difficult part of the headmin role for yourself?

What is your favorite PR that never got merged?

What's the future of iamgoofball?