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Helped me out with a lot of things and was always very polite and understanding, great fella.

very eager and active admin, good job!!

Very active, seems to be on pretty much any time I'm on. I think he tends to press buttons a little much, but we were all heavy on fun buttons when we first started.

puts in fucked up amounts of hours in the ticket mines, does it well too. Ain't afraid to push buttons for the funny, so that's always a plus.

played my song request then regretted playing my song request
good admin

pretty good, responsive to tickets and hasn't given me reason to think they're not fit for the chains of adminship.

Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:35 pm Very active, seems to be on pretty much any time I'm on. I think he tends to press buttons a little much, but we were all heavy on fun buttons when we first started.

cool kids never stop pressing buttons.

bmon has, frankly, a TERRIFYING level of game knowledge and is usually the one answering every technical question i have about the game. answers tickets in a blur of efficiency and even when he's not answering he's in the wings giving great advice to others on how to answer theirs. rad dude becomes rad admin, you love to see it.

Stopped the hit song 'Old Drug Dealer Song' prematurely. Cringe

I've always made it clear to Bmon that I dislike their playstyle. However, I've been very happy with their tenure as trial admin, with the one exception that they have next to zero AI playtime and lack a lot of understanding with respect to laws/threats, and I had one particularly rough ticket related to dealing with a secondary AI.

Really good trial admin so far, but imo needs put like ~30-40 hours into playing AI which, afaik, are MASSIVE ahelp generators and every admin needs to be really familiar with a lot of AI specifics (though he may be able to hold off on that until after the silicon policy rewrite anyway).

Super looking forward to them hopefully getting permanent admin tenure

BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:18 pm Really good trial admin so far, but imo needs put like ~30-40 hours into playing AI which, afaik, are MASSIVE ahelp generators and every admin needs to be really familiar with a lot of AI specifics (though he may be able to hold off on that until after the silicon policy rewrite anyway).

Since sillycone policy is such a mess right now, we have a specific admin role that other admins can ping to advise them on the policy and tickets relating to it.
I think Id just advise them to ping those people more rather than put 30-40 hours into a job they might not enjoy.

Its silly to expect us to play all the roles. I'd have to roll for antag, ew. Whenever a heretic question pops up I just ask someone, it's fine.

Sightld2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:05 am Its silly to expect us to play all the roles. I'd have to roll for antag, ew. Whenever a heretic question pops up I just ask someone, it's fine.

I definitely don't expect admins to play all the roles, but if there was one role that I'd expect admins needed to be familiar with compared to any other it'd probably be AI. I don't expect admins to know the specifics of toxins or atmos or xenobio outside the broad strokes but AI considers a lot of minutae and detail and specificity in a lot of its rulings and behaviour, and the role itself is pretty far off on its own island mechanically/narratively/policy-wise so there isn't a lot of passive osmosis in terms of building that knowledge from playing other roles. I'd be unsurprised if it also generated a larger volume of time-sensitive tickets than any other job.

Okay but imagine being able to roll AI for 40 hours (I have been trying to roll it the last few days and haven't gotten it once)

Very good admin as far as I've seen. I'm not on manuel that much, but the times I've been there, as player and admin, bmon's pretty chill.

Helped me out in a sticky spot where the server was bugging out and muting me when I really needed to talk. Thumbs up!

Round 218235 Manuel

On a whiteshift, added 40 threat unannounced and without a vote because a captain "asked for threat". Shift started with the announcement that there is no threat and all station projects are approved, most people had the expectations that it should be a chill shift and many were not prepared to take on the revenant, nightmare, abductor, and blob that were rolled in. It was very disappointing to see considering how rare whiteshifts are.
I can understand this being appreciated on Sybil or Terry, but I was not the only person on Manuel disappointed by this.

in several instances spawned themselves in as blob in low-ish threat shifts, instead of polling it to ghosts

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:24 am in several instances spawned themselves in as blob in low-ish threat shifts, instead of polling it to ghosts

How about you post logs of me doing that instead of making things up?

Spoilers: I've never done this

Bmon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:17 am

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:24 am in several instances spawned themselves in as blob in low-ish threat shifts, instead of polling it to ghosts

How about you post logs of me doing that instead of making things up?

Spoilers: I've never done this

I don't remember the round IDs but I vividly remember you spawning as a blob and seeing no blob role in the threat list at the end of the round on a few occasions. If your sure you've never done this it could be a dynamic/logging bug

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:57 am

Bmon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:17 am

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:24 am in several instances spawned themselves in as blob in low-ish threat shifts, instead of polling it to ghosts

How about you post logs of me doing that instead of making things up?

Spoilers: I've never done this

I don't remember the round IDs but I vividly remember you spawning as a blob and seeing no blob role in the threat list at the end of the round on a few occasions. If your sure you've never done this it could be a dynamic/logging bug

Blobs can roll through random events (not dynamic)

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:24 am in several instances spawned themselves in as blob in low-ish threat shifts, instead of polling it to ghosts

please be careful about accusing people of this sort of stuff without checking first - using admin powers in this way is against our conduct and could get someone in unnecessary trouble while it's investigated.

admins pushing buttons is logged and available publicly through scrubby, there is no good reason to not be able to verify this beforehand.

Bmon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:54 am

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:57 am

Bmon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:17 am

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:24 am in several instances spawned themselves in as blob in low-ish threat shifts, instead of polling it to ghosts

How about you post logs of me doing that instead of making things up?

Spoilers: I've never done this

I don't remember the round IDs but I vividly remember you spawning as a blob and seeing no blob role in the threat list at the end of the round on a few occasions. If your sure you've never done this it could be a dynamic/logging bug

Blobs can roll through random events (not dynamic)

thats probably the case t hen

Did you know that Bmon is short for Bmonathan?

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:15 pm Did you know that Bmon is short for Bmonathan?

I had no idea! I will have to reddit downvote him every time I see him now.

doesnt play my music grrr grr angy grrrr

but good admin otherwise

Level headed admin who has been very professional and straight-to-the-point with my ahelps, both sending and receiving.

Rock-solid grasp of rules in my experience.

Won’t play my song requests.

A Nerd.

has been a model to have been adminning alongside

In a recent round I made an ahelp and a bit over a minute later they responded IC issue with no further explanation. It really felt like they were just saying IC issue to not have to deal with the ahelp from my perspective. I feel like you should try giving more of an explanation as to your reasoning or at the least say that you can not explain something.

TagGamerGang2 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:34 am In a recent round I made an ahelp and a bit over a minute later they responded IC issue with no further explanation. It really felt like they were just saying IC issue to not have to deal with the ahelp from my perspective. I feel like you should try giving more of an explanation as to your reasoning or at the least say that you can not explain something.

Because the explanation would have been that they are an antag and are thus able to antagonize the station, it would have been grossly inappropriate for me to have told you that during the round.

When an admin tells you something is an IC issue it means that we've looked into it and have determined it is valid, this is covered in rule 6: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules/Main ... nformation.

I've had some negative experiences with Bmon as a result of which I wouldn't trust them to be impartial or thorough if they were the one to handle ahelps involving me. In general they come across as cold and uncaring and give off the feeling of rushing through the tickets and also doubting my intentions, but I can recognize their efficiency and skill in quick admining.

On the rushing through bit I'm talking about this one (admin only link). So my feedback for this one is that I felt doubted and not heard, and you made up your mind very quickly and moved on. Giving a note for an unintentional mistake feels bad but you're in your right to do it, so I accept that. The note also was written in a fairly encouraging way, that I appreciated. I'd class this as a mixed feelings ticket that skews neutral to negative, but not the worst.

A much worse ticket was this one (admin only link) ticket #9 during round 228085 on Manuel, that you closed prematurely so I had to open another one, Ticket #10, to seek clarification and argue my case. Your responses were short and dismissive, and when I decided to concede and remove the patches that you didn't like, I found that you already used your admin powers to destroy them. That action in particular was very disrespectful because the ticket was about rule 9 impinging on other people with your power and you did that to me. I made the food patches when chefs were absent or not making any food, and once you informed me that they were making it I immediately agreed and went to take my patches away, only to find you wouldn't even extend me the courtesy of letting me do it myself. And you also destroyed other unrelated ones that I've put a lot of work into making (granted, I think destroying the unrelated ones was by mistake, but you held me to my mistake in the first ticket so I feel like it's not out of place bringing up yours). Then you closed the ticket before I could respond.

So I opened another one to ask for further clarification:
I think that will really sum up my case is this screenshot I took when it happened:


The chefs are literally all refusing to make food, and you're deleting my caramel patches, that I made using my lane of chemistry, and telling me to break into kitchen to eat raw ingredients or do cooking outside my lane in another department. Hell, when you said chefs were out there and cooking I believed you, and agreed to delete my patches. But then I went to the kitchen and it was empty shelves with 1 bun.

So in general I felt targeted by you, your premature and curt closing of the first ticket was already rude, and it felt like you bent the rule just to curtail me. Rule 9 says that if others are refusing to work, you're welcome to pursue other avenues to fulfill your needs, and I made the caramel patches for myself and my department only, I did not dump them outside medbay. I hope you can understand my frustration with the way this situation was handled.

In the spirit of feedback, I have positive points too:
You never insulted me and remained fairly professional throughout. I don't think you had to respond to my ahelp, anyone else could have taken it, but you did which I appreciate and you did talk it out with me and leveled with me by the end of it, which was also positive.

I was debating admincomplaining the situation but I think you can be fairly reasonable, and might agree with me on some of the points. I actually never got the impression that you had an emotional stake in these tickets. And also I don't disagree with you on making caramel when chefs are actively working it. That's the thing, we basically agree, and the moment you said there was an active kitchen I wanted to remove the patches. It just... wasn't true, as evidenced by the screenshot. Isn't it kind of ridiculous that you'd rather have me hop the counter and cook in kitchen than let me use chemistry as a chemist? I want to believe you'd be willing to see my side of the story if you spared a moment to look.

A few other positives:
You seem efficient at your job and quick, I'm guessing you're a ticket MACHINE and can handle a lot on your own which is valuable for an admin on a busy server. You never got angry even when I did, which is really good, I recognize a player who's emotional and feels targeted can be a drag to deal with but you responded to my points and when I asked you to respond to a question you ignored, you actually responded to it rather than ignoring it further which I appreciated. It felt like not much could shake you is a great admin quality.

At the end of that ticket you said "The only thing I care about is upholding the rules." And you know what? I believe you. And I respect that.

I'd just ask for a bit more empathy and a willingness to listen. If you were willing to concede that it'd be fine for me to make caramel in the screenshotted situation I'd also feel very happy, but that's a big ask and I understand if you held to your stance there. The point of this feedback is that I just would like you to listen to me a bit before making your decision, deleting stuff, and closing it off if we end up in ahelps in the future.

I'm sorry for the wall of text... I don't want to derail your feedback thread with a lengthy discussion since I can be wordy, so if you want to talk about it we can move into PMs or Discord, just let me know.

The post above reminded me of some of the negative expierences I've had with bmon. The one that sticks out the most was when it felt like they were trying to ban me for murder boning for killing witnesses to a previous murder.

MatrixOne wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:32 pm snip

Hi there!

About the first ticket: I don't really feel as if there is much wrong with how I conducted that ticket with you. I spoke with both sides, checked the logs and made a decision, that is what is expected from an admin. It isn't my objective to try to drag a ticket out for longer than it needs to last and if I believe the person involved in a ticket understands why it is happening then I see no point in grilling them about the rules or the in-depth specifics of a situation, to me it seemed like you understood the why part of the situation here. A minor note like what I placed on you is just there to document that we talked about it and to serve as a reminder to the player to be a bit more careful, there are no restrictions placed on you by the note. Without diving into the specifics of the note(because you have decided not to make it public) even if genuinely it was an error on your behalf it led to another player being negatively impacted by your actions on something that I thought could have been avoided.

About the second ticket: I opened the ticket to speak with you about a grander issue(the first ticket we had together isn't public), one not limited to only the current round but had implications from it which is why I removed the patches. I have seen you make caramel patches in mass even when there has been a round start chef actively making food and during the duration of the first ticket there differently were people in the kitchen working and making food. When I think of a chemist making food isn't really in their job profile, which is why I see it as a stay in your lane issue. Making a ton of caramel patches takes away purpose from anyone who actually wants to play chef or make food. Really am sorry about removing your happiness patches, I didn't even know I had removed those at the time until you brought it up in the second ticket, they were the only two patches that looked identical out of all of them that you had made in medbay. Also about closing ticket, I closed the first ticket, but I didn't resolve it. Closing a ticket is different from resolving it because it doesn't alert the player that it has been closed. There was 10 minute gap between the first and second ticket and at the time I had just assumed that you were done talking with me so I had closed it to clean up the ticket panel. Leaving a bunch of tickets open isn't the best for the other admins and I had no problems at all with continuing our conversation in the second ticket. Could I have been a bit more understanding of your perspective? I think so. What I saw was people working in the kitchen and a bunch of caramel patching in medbay so I removed the patch, I didn't really take into perspective that they could not have always been working in the kitchen but from what I saw they had been for a while, I also thought that just removing the patches without saying a word to you would have been inappropriate for me to have done. Not every administrative interaction has to end with action on behalf of the admin and this is a situation where it didn't but as I said before I have actually seen you make caramel patches on mass when there have been round start chefs and I have seen those chefs give up because of it. I think it is well within my rights to tell you to tone it down a bit when it comes to this. Now, should you never ever make caramel patches? Eh, there are probably a good few situations where you could do it and be fine but all I ask is for you to be considerate of other players which I think you understand now.

Thank you very much for responding! I'm happy to see a good faith response, and I'm pretty much in agreement with all you said. It's true I made caramel when there were chefs around when I was early on into learning chemistry - I readjusted later when I realized the implications. At time of bwoink I was only making it when chefs were absent. In general I'm glad you could respond to the feedback professionally, it surpassed my expectations. I hope it wasn't too annoying to read or unfair to you.

Bmon has been removed from the admin team.