[Kubisopplay]-kieth4- A punishment for non-optimal play.
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 7:49 pm
by kieth4
BYOND account: kieth4
Character name: Lukas Beedell.
Ban type: Note
Ban length: -
Ban reason: Following a long discussion about round 200768, and about letting captured heretic out with a trauma, was asked to at least make sure that the thing they are using to restrain the freed antagonist is not something the person can get immune to with the normal progression of the antag. (Context: To my best knowledge stun from trauma would get ignored by a heretic with correct paths)
Time ban was placed:2023-02-25 18:23:40
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 200779
Your side of the story: This feels like a punishment for not playing as optimally as possible, which is a shame. I think it tells a much more interesting story to give the antagonists a sec fear trauma using beepsky smash than just round removing them instantly. With progression, they might get stun immunity, sure. But I think it still allows for a much more interesting story if we let them free.
This round started off by me learning that the person in question was a heretic incredibly early in:
[2023-02-25 12:57:34.549] SAY: 12:57:34.549] SAY: Dreaguar/(Fueb Arhd) "talon is a ehretic" (Brig (199,129,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:43.804] SAY: 12:57:43.804] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "wait for talon to make blades" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:46.379] SAY: 12:57:46.379] SAY: Dreaguar/(Fueb Arhd) "no" (Brig (199,129,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:46.733] SAY: 12:57:46.733] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "before we jump him" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:48.183] SAY: 12:57:48.183] SAY: Dreaguar/(Fueb Arhd) "get he" (Brig (199,129,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:48.590] SAY: 12:57:48.590] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "what" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:49.400] SAY: 12:57:49.400] SAY: Dreaguar/(Fueb Arhd) "now" (Brig (199,129,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:49.747] SAY: 12:57:49.747] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "no" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:50.889] SAY: 12:57:50.889] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "you fat" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:52.715] SAY: 12:57:52.715] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "idiot" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2023-02-25 12:57:54.357] SAY: 12:57:54.357] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "wait for proog" (Brig (200,128,2))
(This is later when I leave brig)
[2023-02-25 12:59:06.075] SAY: 12:59:06.075] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "FEUB" (Aft Central Primary Hallway (179,113,2))
[2023-02-25 12:59:08.139] SAY: 12:59:08.139] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "STICK TO THE PLAN" (Aft Central Primary Hallway (179,113,2))
[2023-02-25 12:59:14.585] SAY: 12:59:14.585] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "I DON'T WANT LOOSE CANNONS ON MY SEC TEAM.." (Aft Central Primary Hallway (179,113,2))
I do not enjoy killing antagonists that have barely done anything, so I ask them to wait for progression, in specific for talon to make blades because I find that 100x more interesting than killing antagonists super early on and then being bored for the whole round because there's no conflict.
As I'm walking around the place exploring the station, looking for crimes the bartender invites me to their bar.
At this point I notice that they have beepsky smash on the counter- for those that don't know, ODing on beepsky smash as a non-security officer gives you a permanent fear of sec trauma. And here is where my "mistake" began, I thought it would be a lot more interesting for the round If I instead of executing criminals would OD them on beepsky smash using shotgun darts. The trauma would make them pretty much unable to do anything and I felt that it would add a lot of coolness into the round. I requested the barman make more.
Whilst I was going and doing this talon was killing people, cementing himself as "valid" (Which is important as it pretty much signs his death warrant- or in my case my note warrant for letting him go a bit later.) This basically means that anything that I do with him non-lethally will have people absolutely malding because they want blood.
Later reports of him were being called out but I was still setting up my shells so I asked people not to kill him, and then went and hunted him, I ran to sci maint where he was called out- he broke a blade, but it brought him in to the bridge Ai called him out, I ran there and then I managed to shoot him up with beepsky smash enough to OD him and securing the trauma.
[2023-02-25 13:14:37.209] SAY: 13:14:37.209] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "track talon" (Science Maintenance (106,99,2))
(I ran to maint he saw me and broke blade)
[2023-02-25 13:14:27.815] GAME: 13:14:27.815] GAME: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) has teleported from (Science Maintenance (105,92,2)) to (Telecomms Control Room (155,134,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:00.831] SAY: 13:15:00.831] SAY: JustAllTanks/(ANSI) "TALON ON BRIDGE" (AI Chamber (33,138,2))
(Ai called me to bridge)
[2023-02-25 13:15:20.739] ATTACK: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) fired at Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) with the dart from Bridge (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (151,140,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:21.105] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked [communications console] with the stun baton (Bridge (152,138,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:22.075] ATTACK: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) fired at Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) with the dart from Bridge (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (151,138,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:22.077] ATTACK: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) shot Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) with the dart REAGENTS: Beepsky Smash, 15 (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (151,138,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:22.254] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked [security camera monitor] with the stun baton (Bridge (154,138,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:23.186] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) stun attacked Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90) (Bridge (151,138,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:25.071] ATTACK: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) fired at Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) with the dart from Bridge (NEWHP: 94.3) (Bridge (152,138,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:25.073] ATTACK: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) shot Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) with the dart REAGENTS: Triple Citrus, 0.789504 | Iron, 2.36841 | Beepsky Smash, 11.8421 (NEWHP: 94.3) (Bridge (152,138,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:25.419] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked [comfy chair] with the stun baton (Bridge (151,137,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:27.255] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) stun attacked Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90) (Bridge (151,137,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:30.235] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) stun attacked Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90) (Bridge (151,137,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:31.516] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) shoved Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with loosening his grip on the sawn-off riot shotgun (NEWHP: 90) (Bridge (151,137,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:33.370] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) stun attacked Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90) (Bridge (152,137,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:33.374] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 84) (Bridge (152,137,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:34.237] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 78) (Bridge (152,137,2))
[2023-02-25 13:15:35.153] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 72) (Bridge (152,137,2))
(I shot him.)
After this I spent ages, dragging him around and protecting him from people killing him so I could ensure that the trauma had set root and was properly working. At this point I also got accused of metaganging because I didn't want to execute him and instead wanted to give him a cool trauma. The next longs show the metagamer accusation and indicate me taking the care and precautions to ensure that the trauma was really there and I wasn't going to release a heretic out with nothing to stop them.
[2023-02-25 13:22:13.616] SAY: 13:22:13.616] SAY: Forgetful/(Nico Fogel) "lukas, stope metaganging" (Medical (151,88,2))
[2023-02-25 13:22:15.138] SAY: 13:22:15.138] SAY: Forgetful/(Nico Fogel) "and kill him" (Medical (151,88,2))
[2023-02-25 13:22:18.549] SAY: 13:22:18.549] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "it's not metaganging" (Security Post - Medsci (148,88,2))
(This part is me taking precautions)
[2023-02-25 13:22:53.310] SAY: 13:22:53.310] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "let it" (Security Post - Medsci (145,86,2))
[2023-02-25 13:22:55.218] SAY: 13:22:55.218] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "give trauma" (Security Post - Medsci (145,86,2))
(Two separate examples at different times)
[2023-02-25 13:23:20.452] SAY: 13:23:20.452] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "I'm waiting" (Security Post - Medsci (146,86,2))
[2023-02-25 13:23:22.301] SAY: 13:23:22.301] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "for the trauma" (Security Post - Medsci (146,86,2))
[2023-02-25 13:23:24.077] SAY: 13:23:24.077] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "to hit" (Security Post - Medsci (146,86,2))
(and me further here confirming that he had it)
[2023-02-25 13:23:34.109] SAY: 13:23:34.109] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "he has it" (Security Post - Medsci (146,86,2))
[2023-02-25 13:23:36.729] SAY: 13:23:36.729] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "security" (Security Post - Medsci (148,88,2))
[2023-02-25 13:23:37.709] SAY: 13:23:37.709] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "phobia" (Security Post - Medsci (148,88,2))
[2023-02-25 13:23:40.085] SAY: 13:23:40.085] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "hahahahaaha" (Security Post - Medsci (148,88,2))
(Then this is me station that this was how we were going to deal with all the criminals.)
[2023-02-25 13:23:56.669] SAY: 13:23:56.669] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "We're going to re-habiliate all criminals via beepsky smash" (Security Post - Medsci (148,88,2))
[2023-02-25 13:27:43.081] SAY: 13:27:43.081] SAY: Kieth4/(Lukas Beedell) "WE'RE giving all criminals a secphobia" (Security Post - Medsci (145,87,2))
At this point Talon was spreading a bunch of rust but other than that he kept getting stunned and falling over, I believe he also punched a few people and ran around a bit.
[2023-02-25 13:23:14.262] WHISPER: 13:23:14.262] WHISPER: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) "A'GRSV`SPR'D" FORCED by spell (Aggressive Spread) (Security Post - Medsci (144,86,2))
[2023-02-25 13:24:45.240] SAY: 13:24:45.240] SAY: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) "R'CH`T'H`TR'TH!" FORCED by spell (Mansus Grasp) (Security Post - Medsci (143,86,2))
We also did this to another heretic Jalen. It was all fun and games until talon escaped however...
(He took dispoals but I couldn't find this logged)
AND INSTANTLY GOT VALIDHUNTED, I MEAN INSTANTLY THEY RAN HIM DOWN SO FUCKING QUICKLY MAN
I didn't realise that he died so I gave out armbands and sec clothes to ensure that people could be safe because Talon would get stunned by the trauma :)
Why you think you should be unbanned: I think admins recently have been clamping down a lot of cases of unoptimal play for some reason. I could have killed him, yes. I could have given him an implant- also yes, but I wanted to try this unique way at containment. No one was hurt by it and it's completely hypothetical that he would have escaped. He literally got validhunted before he could do anything after escaping so I'm unsure how my precaution failed if validhunters didn't allow it to even play out.
Re: [Kubisopplay]-kieth4- A punishment for non-optimal play.
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:58 am
by kieth4
As I was looking through the different paths and things and testing what did what- the trauma stuns the heretic. The only time he isn't stunned is when he ascends- in that regard, yes a heretic with the correct paths is stun immune. I don't feel however it's fair to hinge on the heretics ascension, one of the hardest things that a heretic can do, as meaning that he's stun immune. Especially with the trauma (that would still blind him even if he ascended) severely gimping his progress to ascension and him getting valid hunted anyway.
Re: [Kubisopplay]-kieth4- A punishment for non-optimal play.
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:03 pm
by Kubisopplay
Yeah, after talking with timber I changed my opinion on if the note is needed, as I already told you in discord. Removed.
Re: [Kubisopplay]-kieth4- A punishment for non-optimal play.