Restart votes should succeed by default when an admin is on

[CPTANT]

As far as I know when there is an admin on a restart vote only succeeds when an admin is on if the admin takes action to let it pass.

This is the reverse of what it should be IMO, the vote should pass unless the admin actively veto's it. This prevents inactive/uncaring admins to block restart votes.

That is all.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

One issue I foresee with this is players using votes to annoy/harass admins. I could easily see a shift happening where some guy murderbones 20 people and starts working towards their final traitor objective, and an admin being on who wants to let them finish the shift via resonance cascade or whatever, but the 20 dead guys all spamming the restart vote every time it comes up while salting in deadchat/ooc.

So as long as admemes also get the power to turn off restart votes (do they currently have this power?) I guess it would be fine?

[zxaber]

Restart votes are to fix the server if it's broken while no admin is online. It's not a tool to deny a murderboner their bone, it's not a tool to skip a map that you don't like.

Counterpoint: restart votes should be disabled. If a server is broken and no admin is on, your ahelps will reach the Discord. If you cannot ahelp, go to the Discord and ping the Keyholder role.

[CPTANT]

Restart votes are to fix the server if it's broken while no admin is online. It's not a tool to deny a murderboner their bone, it's not a tool to skip a map that you don't like.

Counterpoint: restart votes should be disabled. If a server is broken and no admin is on, your ahelps will reach the Discord. If you cannot ahelp, go to the Discord and ping the Keyholder role.

Easy to say if you are admin and never have to deal with this shit. Salt votes basically never succeed and an admin can still deny it, if no admin can be arsed to respond than the player vote should be honoured.

[Mice World]

Rounds are rarely broken enough to justify restart votes. I don't agree with outright removing the option but they definitely shouldn't auto pass when an admin is on. If an admin is deliberately blocking a valid vote make an admin complaint.

[ekaterina]

Rounds are rarely broken enough to justify restart votes. I don't agree with outright removing the option but they definitely shouldn't auto pass when an admin is on. If an admin is deliberately blocking a valid vote make an admin complaint.

Part of his point is that it doesn't have to be deliberate.

[Mice World]

Part of his point is that it doesn't have to be deliberate.

You could just talk with the admin in OOC or make a ticket about it. I don't think many admins boot up the game and sit afk.

[TheFinalPotato]

Admin issue, restart votes exist to allow for non admin'd rounds to exit if something is horribly wrong.
If people (me it's me I do this) are idling on the server when that happens we have other ways of handling the problem, and I don't think it's a common enough case to justify potentially blindsiding active admins.

If the admin team for some reason fucking wanted this we could do it, but I doubt they do

[CPTANT]

Admin issue, restart votes exist to allow for non admin'd rounds to exit if something is horribly wrong.
If people (me it's me I do this) are idling on the server when that happens we have other ways of handling the problem, and I don't think it's a common enough case to justify potentially blindsiding active admins.

If the admin team for some reason fucking wanted this we could do it, but I doubt they do

The entire point is that active admins can still deny. If they don't respond then they are basically by definition inactive.

[TheFinalPotato]

I disagree with placing a need to catch each restart vote on the admin team.
If you can convince them they want it go off, but we aren't doing that before they're ok with it.

[Mothblocks]

if im trying to investigate a game breaking bug and the round restarts because i didnt click "no" because i was focusing on the bug, you would see a revert pr in the following 20 seconds

[CPTANT]

if im trying to investigate a game breaking bug and the round restarts because i didnt click "no" because i was focusing on the bug, you would see a revert pr in the following 20 seconds

Yeah better to let dozens of players get stuck on a broken round because you are too busy with your own stuff.

I am not against having a lenient timer, lets say 5 minutes or so, but inactive admins blocking legitimate restart votes is just bs.

[Mothblocks]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

[CPTANT]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

[oranges]

it's not going to change

[Cobby]

restart vote should just be removed because the only point at which it would become useful would be a point that the game wouldnt process the restart vote anyways.

[Vekter]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

[CPTANT]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

[Vekter]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

And I firmly disagree with your logic, if someone's AFK on the server then you should urgent adminhelp so we can fix the issue. This doesn't happen enough to warrant changing the entire system so you can reboot a round without us noticing while we're online.

[CPTANT]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

And I firmly disagree with your logic, if someone's AFK on the server then you should urgent adminhelp so we can fix the issue. This doesn't happen enough to warrant changing the entire system so you can reboot a round without us noticing while we're online.

Without you noticing? If after multiple warnings you still can't be bothered to pay attention to a restart vote then you clearly have no investment in a round. It's ultimately the players that play the game not the admins, restart votes already virtually never succeed without damn good reason.

[Vekter]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

And I firmly disagree with your logic, if someone's AFK on the server then you should urgent adminhelp so we can fix the issue. This doesn't happen enough to warrant changing the entire system so you can reboot a round without us noticing while we're online.

Without you noticing? If after multiple warnings you still can't be bothered to pay attention to a restart vote then you clearly have no investment in a round. It's ultimately the players that play the game not the admins, restart votes already virtually never succeed without damn good reason.

So here's the problem with your logic on this. We could either:

1) Spend a few hours coding out a specific system that warns admins with a sound and pop-up whenever a restart vote happens and change how we do restart votes so they automatically restart even if someone is on, or
2) Leave it how it is and use the existing system (urgent adminhelps) to do literally exactly the same thing and not have to worry about people acting in poor faith ruining the round.

There's literally no benefit to this idea aside from "We get to reboot the server sometimes without an admin interfering even if they're online".

[CPTANT]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

Or, we could just keep things as they are now and let admins decide if the round needs to be restarted or not.

The OP already explains why this should be changed.

And I firmly disagree with your logic, if someone's AFK on the server then you should urgent adminhelp so we can fix the issue. This doesn't happen enough to warrant changing the entire system so you can reboot a round without us noticing while we're online.

Without you noticing? If after multiple warnings you still can't be bothered to pay attention to a restart vote then you clearly have no investment in a round. It's ultimately the players that play the game not the admins, restart votes already virtually never succeed without damn good reason.

So here's the problem with your logic on this. We could either:

1) Spend a few hours coding out a specific system that warns admins with a sound and pop-up whenever a restart vote happens and change how we do restart votes so they automatically restart even if someone is on, or
2) Leave it how it is and use the existing system (urgent adminhelps) to do literally exactly the same thing and not have to worry about people acting in poor faith ruining the round.

There's literally no benefit to this idea aside from "We get to reboot the server sometimes without an admin interfering even if they're online".

Or we don't get stuck with a broken server and a blocked restart by someone who is not actually there.

[Vekter]

Or we don't get stuck with a broken server and a blocked restart by someone who is not actually there.

Do you know how urgent adminhelps work? We get a Discord ping when someone puts one out, someone WILL see that the server is broken and come fix it.

[CPTANT]

Or we don't get stuck with a broken server and a blocked restart by someone who is not actually there.

Do you know how urgent adminhelps work? We get a Discord ping when someone puts one out, someone WILL see that the server is broken and come fix it.

I don't know what you are trying to say, you can send urgent adminhelps when there are no admins online, we are talking about inactive admins blocking the vote so as far as I know there won't be any urgent adminhelp.

[Mothblocks]

Yes, it is better for people to be stuck on a broken round once while I solidly deduce the issue and make sure it never happens to anyone again than to let it restart and happen to everyone else god knows how many times while they hope to pull in someone who will waste their time independently figuring out what I was already going to

There is nothing stopping you from doing this, you would only have to press a single button, with plenty of time, you can even have multiple visual and audio hints that your attention is needed.

that there is a chance that the server can restart while i'm trying to diagnose the issue is why this wont happen

[Vekter]

Or we don't get stuck with a broken server and a blocked restart by someone who is not actually there.

Do you know how urgent adminhelps work? We get a Discord ping when someone puts one out, someone WILL see that the server is broken and come fix it.

I don't know what you are trying to say, you can send urgent adminhelps when there are no admins online, we are talking about inactive admins blocking the vote so as far as I know there won't be any urgent adminhelp.

An admin is flagged as AFK if they've been idle for 5 minutes, at which point you can use urgent adminhelps again. I posted a screenshot showing what this looks like.

[Super Aggro Crag]

you WILL play on the broken server and you WILL wait 3 hours for the round to end and you WILL NOT bother the admins about it!

[oranges]

we're not changing it, if admisn don't' listen to you on restart votes take it up with the admin team.