/tg/Station 13

BYOND account: Technokek
Character name: Richard Stallman
Ban type: Ban
Ban length: 1 Day
Ban reason:

Time ban was placed: 2021-07-18 16:21:18
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed:166193
Your side of the story: The Captain kept going on about cats

https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/166 ... e=game.txt
03:29:29 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "ok boys, today I got a idea, I'll give the spare to however can create a better new racial slurs for cats"
03:29:46 SAY Technokek/(Richard Stallman) "stop making us think about cats"
03:29:50 SAY Technokek/(Richard Stallman) "i will maxcap you"
03:29:56 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "do it pussy"
03:29:58 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "I dare you"
03:30:06 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "COME ON"
then 40 min later he is still going on about it.
04:15:52 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "Richard, you still have yet to blow me up with a maxcap, pussy no balls"
So i did.
Later in deadchat when i said i will be banned.
04:20:51 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) (DEAD) "I TOLD HIM TO DO SO"
after he got revived
04:26:54 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "LET IT BE KNOWN RICHARD WAS A MARTYR, I SAID TO BOMB ME NO BALLS AND THE LEGEND ACTUALLY DID IT"

I dont think "dared" is the correct term. The captain insisted on me doing it, I would like to have "dared" changed to something that reflects the situation more accuratly since he litterally told me to do it multiple times over the span of 40 min.

I would also like to know why i am beeing punished for following a clear order from my superior. A sec officer wont be bwoinked for executing someone on the captain orders, the warden wont be bwoinked for giving away free guns if the captain orders it. The captain should have know the full risks of me maxcapping him and the consequences of the resulting explotion and harm that might come to bystanders. Since he authorized and demanded me to do this i think he should also face the consequences that resulted in him ordering me to do this.

I think you are getting something wrong. You were (probably) banned for killing a bystander, indicated by the fact that it's only a dayban.
Also I hope this is not a peanut post, because I'm trying to explain the probable situation here.

Timonk wrote:I think you are getting something wrong. You were (probably) banned for killing a bystander, indicated by the fact that it's only a dayban.
Also I hope this is not a peanut post, because I'm trying to explain the probable situation here.

I know i was banned for killing a bystander. Mainly this is about the note as it does not accuratly reflect what happened.

The rest is more or less fluff text.

Is it a note appeal or a ban appeal?

Note

As far I was concerned from the language used by the Captain, this was a dare

He even said it

03:29:56 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "do it pussy"
03:29:58 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "I dare you"
03:30:06 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "COME ON"

This line later, still sounds like a dare and not an order from a superior (not that you would be expected to follow such an order)

04:15:52 SAY Theduffyboi1916/(Roibeard 'Cluichire' Ua Brea) "Richard, you still have yet to blow me up with a maxcap, pussy no balls"

I don't believe this appeal meets the criteria below, but I'll leave the headadmins up to make the final decision on this, but as far as I'm concerned, the only thing I would change is adding the fact that you killed yourself and the captain along with the bystander (because someone reading that note could believe you only killed the bystander and ruined the bridge)



Note appeals:
Notes are remarks about players added to player's files in order to help keep track of player behavior, trends, as well as admin interactions with players. Notes have many uses and are not exclusively used to record rule breaking behavior, but we do recognize that their existence can seem like a black mark on the player.

For those reasons, notes can be appealed if they match one of the following two cases:

The note is factually or materially incorrect.
There must be a difference between how an admin who knew all the facts would view you vs how an admin who only had the note to go on would view you. If you were being a shit but the note didn't correctly detail exactly how you were being a shit, an appeal nitpicking this detail is unlikely to be granted.

Statements that are clearly pure opinion on the admins part can not be incorrect (because that is what the admin actually believes), but may be appealed under case 2 below.

Appealed bans are only factually incorrect if the conditions around ban itself was incorrect. Getting unbanned because you apologized or similar reasons is not grounds to have the auto-generated note about the ban removed. Likewise: getting unbanned because you broke the rules but the admin or a headmin later determined that a ban was "too much" is not grounds to remove the ban's note.

Notes appealed under this rule may be amended rather than removed.

Notes appealed under this rule will generally be more successful if appealing players offers suggested rewording that they feel properly accounts for nuances without minimizing what the note is trying to highlight. Understand that we have to balance keeping notes short and succinct with accurately reflecting the situation.

The note's contents or existence is unjustifiably harsh to the player's standing in the eyes of admins reading the notes.

Notes that contain admin opinions that unfairly paint the player in a bad light are one example.

Emphasis on the phrase "unfairly". If you're repeatedly a shitter and an admin calls you a shitter in a note just take the hint and improve on not being a shitter

As Fatal has pointed out, this note is clearly factual. Dared is the correct term, as the captain literally said "I dare you". The note will be upheld.