/tg/Station 13

Post Content:
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Forums
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: N/A
Admin: Unknown, they won't say and I highly doubt any admin will willingly snitch on them.
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: N/A
Detailed summary:

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28111

This user is a neo-nazi shitstain who DM'd me the Christchurch shooting on one of his now plentiful discord accounts, since he keeps fucking getting banned from places and keeps having to ban evade, and/or ban evade actual full service discord bans.

I am currently digging around for the logs of this specifically that included the video thumbnail clearly showing the video was the CC shooting, but I cannot find it in my actual discord logs due to the fact that KWVance's original discord account was permanently banned and subsequently deleted.

However, I do have my email chain with Discord Trust and Safety. If a trusted admin requests it I can forward them the actual email itself for authentication purposes.



I attempt to post this in the thread for KWVance's unban, as I am an individual who was directly impacted by this shitstain of a human being, and figure that if Swept's second-hand statements about their experience with them are passable enough for the thread, that surely this user actively sending me a video of people being murdered in mass by a horrible monster would be relevant enough to the character of the appealer that it could be posted.

I forgot to specify this reasoning, however, and my post was denied.

1. Whether or not it's an in game ban appeal or a discord ban appeal doesn't matter. If someone is this level of shitstain and is permabanned for being an asshole, evidence that you stopped being an asshole/continued being an asshole since the ban is always relevant.

2. It's not a goddamn peanut post since it's a permaban, the point of a permaban appeal is to get references from people that you weren't a huge fucking asshole during your time away from the server, either in discord or in game.

I was providing a reference that this user is still continuing to be a fucking asshole. If you want more evidence, go talk to Unity Station's staff because they also had to deal with this shitstain posting the CC shooting there too, and also denying the holocaust alongside other general nazi shit.

I specify my reasoning for it not being a peanut post in the followup post, and demand a name if the post is denied again so that I can file an admin complaint against the post denier.



The post is denied again incorrectly, an admin name is not given, and I am threatened by the denier to stop.

This is fucking bullshit and I don't know what this admin gets out of covering up this jackass continuing to be a jackass, since I'm the only one in the thread posting actual goddamn evidence instead of "well uhh i heard that he's been a jerk".

Like, what the fuck guys. I know "haha its goof" is an epic meme and all but come the fuck on. This guy sent me videos of a mass fucking shooting. He's a horrible monster who has not changed at all since his ban from /tg/.

It was Arianya

MSO will have to handle this since it's a complaint against a forum admin.

Hi,

This is a complaint against me.

I'll respond in due course, but I would appreciate if you could post your citation for this exemption from peanut post rules:

It's not a goddamn peanut post since it's a permaban, the point of a permaban appeal is to get references from people that you weren't a huge fucking asshole during your time away from the server, either in discord or in game.

oranges wrote:It was Arianya

MSO will have to handle this since it's a complaint against a forum admin.

Thanks, could you update the OP if you have perms? If I edit it, it'll hide the entire thread due to post approval.

Arianya wrote:Hi,

This is a complaint against me.

I'll respond in due course, but I would appreciate if you could post your citation for this exemption from peanut post rules:

It's not a goddamn peanut post since it's a permaban, the point of a permaban appeal is to get references from people that you weren't a huge fucking asshole during your time away from the server, either in discord or in game.

My citation is that this is the way "long time shitter appeals ban" appeals have always worked. Additionally, this actually disproves your claim that "discord stuff doesn't count for game ban appeals".

Let's look at Shezza's ban appeal, and the past precedent that applies from the ruling Hulkamania made.
This was a Game Server Ban appeal, for the record.
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 34&t=22884
The ban appeal is going reasonably well for Shezza due to the vouch of good conduct, and they're basically a few submissive posts away from getting unbanned.
Then, Crag posts, with hard evidence, that Shezza directly told Crag to kill himself, and then making fun of him for being homeless, and declaring that his family hates him.

The appeal is then rejected by Hulkamania as a result, with the evidence taken into consideration, and now logged permanently in the ban appeal.

This handles two things as past precedent:
1. This solidly disproves "While this may be relevant to a *discord* ban appeal, this is an ingame ban
appeal" from the first denial, as this ban appeal proves with past precedent that discord behavior can and will impact your game server ban appeal.
2. This solidly proves that a user who is not explicitly named in the permaban appeal opening post can and should speak up as to their experience with this user, and that it does not count as peanut posting.

And additionally, actual evidence being posted does matter over just hearsay and vouches from individuals.

Let's say that for some reason, IDK, COVID-20 hits and Armhulen and Swept become unreachable. KWVance magically appeals his permaban again, but this time the two people in his thread who said "yo this guy was shit" are now unreachable for comment by future admins who are considering unbanning the player.

Normally, they could point to direct hard, incriminating evidence of shit behavior in said appeal, but now there is none present, only hearsay and conjecture, and the staters of such are now unreachable. This admin is now forced to make a judgement call considerably less armed than they should be going into a permaban appeal.

I have found the full evidence in my file.house history.
Warning: Singular frame from the CC shooting within this spoiler, it is a SFW frame of the outside of the mosque, no violence and/or bodies in this frame, but still might be enough to trigger an incident for someone who unfortunately saw the original video.

Being fair, they only reason "uh yeah he's a jerk" was permitted was because both of them were directly referred to by name in the appeal.

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Being fair, they only reason "uh yeah he's a jerk" was permitted was because both of them were directly referred to by name in the appeal.

Aye, but as the Shezza appeal shows, you don't have to be named directly to submit evidence of said player abusing you.

I'm going to throw my input in here as the admin handling that appeal.

I feel like goof's evidence regarding the content he was sent by the player was a strong factor in my decision to deny his appeal. The idea that someone's actions on Discord can be completely divorced from their actions in-game is tenuous at best and, given that the conceit of the thread was "Do we think this person has changed enough to come back", I think it was more than relevant in this case.

Someone's actions out-of-game can't necessarily result in them being banned in-game, but it can inform us as to what this person is like or how they have acted recently.

Due course could be today, tomorrow, it could be in 2023!

Hi, apologies for the delay, the holiday season always brings with it a certain amount of tumult.

By my understanding of your complaint, there are 3 main points to this:

• Why was your post considered peanut?
• Why was your second post returned with a message asking you to cease?
• Why were other posts left untouched which seem to break the peanut rules?

I'll break these down pretty quickly, since this is ultimately a pretty trivial interaction.

Why was your post considered peanut? Addendum A: On Precedent of Permabans (The Shezza Footnote)
Why was your second post returned with a message asking you to cease? Why were other posts left untouched which seem to break the peanut rules? Addendum B (The Evidence of Shittery Issue) Side-note: As far as I'm aware I have no past interaction with the appealer in that ban, so I'm ignoring any suggestion of "covering up" or bias in favour of the appealer as without grounds.

I hope this helps you understand my reasoning, and if you still feel slighted I await the final ruling on this complaint eagerly.

However, it has been affirmed previously that users on post approval should not seek a "second opinion" via resubmitting their post for approval - repeatedly or singularly - it is better to seek either the opinion of a global moderator or the Headmins - preferably by Forum PM.

I generally agree with this, but since phpbb doesn't tell the user who disapproved their post, and our systems for handling such queries to moderators are very sparse, I don't think its fair to assume that re-submitting the same post but with a paragraph on why the user thinks it should have been approved is moderator shopping.

In this complaint this is the only thing I can find any fault with, and its pretty minor, they clearly laid out a well reasoned argument for why they thought it was proper to disapprove the post, and they are correct in that argument. But! speaking of imperfect systems, there is no way for anybody, not even me, to see the content of previously disapproved posts, so there also wasn't really any way for ari to clearly see what (if anything) changed in the post other than their own imperfect memory.

Imperfect system operated by imperfect people leads to imperfect result. (aka: game rule 10)

Im gonna echo Ari's suggestion that such edge cases and grey areas can be handled by pming the headmins or banning admin on the forums.