/tg/Station 13

Now that clicking has no delay this needs to be addressed in some fashion.

There /where/ three threads on this in the old forums, and this is something I support.

No, don't do this. It's more !!FUN!! this way.

Well this !!FUN!! is getting people banned, or being used as an excuse to get unbanned. So i think its a good idea to add some kind of protection against it.

An action that can get you banned, and with no way to discern a accidental or intentional click, is a bad system. There should be a notification of what your about to do, even if its ambiguous.

Psyentific wrote:No, don't do this. It's more !!FUN!! this way.

You do know that !!item!! means that item is on fire, do you.

And not that it's very interesting or something.

I'll code this, it's not a very difficult thing to do. May as well have the code so that it can be implemented easily.

Kelenius wrote:

Psyentific wrote:No, don't do this. It's more !!FUN!! this way.

You do know that !!item!! means that item is on fire, do you.

And not that it's very interesting or something.

Yes, that's why I say !!FUN!! as opposed to 'fun' ('airquotes')

But yes, people accidently bagging the bags of holdings is part of their charm. It's also griff, but that split-second where you realize you accidently bagged the bag is priceless. That half-second it takes the server to process "New Singularity" and there's nothing on your mind except "Aw shit."

EDIT: I'm dumb, missed the point of the thread and posted this while I was tired.

Until you flip the toggle switch, the bag can't store large objects. As soon as you set it though, anything goes. I think this'd help prevent accidentally shoving a bag into another bag that hasn't even been touched yet, and would add a helpful extra step to silly RD's who think making a crate full of BoH's isn't is a good idea.

I thought HoHs where bulky, not large...

But in general I support the above idea.

BOH's are a bulky item in game terms, but I believe Louis was just using large as a general adjective, rather than specifically w_class 3

Ah, that makes more sense.
Yah, a toggle for bulky items sounds good.I do keep repeating myself, dont I?

PR for confirmation on NTS is up.

https://github.com/NTStation/NTstation13/pull/511

>NTstation exclusive

Anyone who wants to mirror my PR on TGS is free to do so, and when it goes through on NTS I will mirror it to TGS. I just don't want to have to make any changes twice.

Why not just add a 'safety' feature that disables the ability to stuff two together unless EMP'd or EMAG'd?

>confirmation window pop-up

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, they are bad bad bad bad, there's nothing more awful than stop moving because a window made you lose focus

STEPS TO DO:
Add a message of what the player is doing ("you begin to put a bag of holding inside of another bag of holding, the timespace is breaking!" something like that but less lame)
Shake the camera of the player (so they know that "oh god shit's hitting the fan")
Add a timer before doing the action!, so it would take a few seconds, 5? 7? to actually put a BoH inside of another BoH.
It could also be a visible message, so people around the person can stop him from creating a singularity.
And it can also have some special sound, who can be cancelled thanks to our helper procs mid-way. And some visual effect besides the camera shaking. (The shaking can only be for the player using the BoH, so it can't be abused)

Also you added an exploit with that code, you can use the BoH, get the window, go to the other side of the station, and confirm. You can even use the same BoH to get a million of confirmation windows on different BoHs, if I'm being clear.

I would argue its a clear difference between two people's differing ideas of implementing an idea...

Aran's suggestion seems more effective however.

Steelpoint wrote:I would argue its a clear difference between two people's differing ideas of implementing an idea...

Aran's suggestion seems more effective however.

Take a special note of this part.

Aranclanos wrote:Also you added an exploit with that code, you can use the BoH, get the window, go to the other side of the station, and confirm. You can even use the same BoH to get a million of confirmation windows on different BoHs, if I'm being clear.

Bugs happen all the time irrespective of code base, it happens all the time on TG as well as NT and quadtripple A+ games like Battleduty. The only difference here is that the coder decided to upload to NT first before TG.

It's not like he can fix or alter it.

Aranclanos wrote:>confirmation window pop-up

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, they are bad bad bad bad, there's nothing more awful than stop moving because a window made you lose focus

STEPS TO DO:
Add a message of what the player is doing ("you begin to put a bag of holding inside of another bag of holding, the timespace is breaking!" something like that but less lame)
Shake the camera of the player (so they know that "oh god shit's hitting the fan")
Add a timer before doing the action!, so it would take a few seconds, 5? 7? to actually put a BoH inside of another BoH.
It could also be a visible message, so people around the person can stop him from creating a singularity.
And it can also have some special sound, who can be cancelled thanks to our helper procs mid-way. And some visual effect besides the camera shaking. (The shaking can only be for the player using the BoH, so it can't be abused)

Also you added an exploit with that code, you can use the BoH, get the window, go to the other side of the station, and confirm. You can even use the same BoH to get a million of confirmation windows on different BoHs, if I'm being clear.

Yeah, solid plan. Will implement.

Also, I'm afraid that having made a commit I'm now physically incapable of reading the posts of non-coders. Sucks, Kelenius and Steelpont!

I've made several dozen commits to TG station and one or two to NT station, I'm still valid.

Drynwyn wrote:Also, I'm afraid that having made a commit I'm now physically incapable of reading the posts of non-coders. Sucks, Kelenius and Steelpont!

Actually, both of us made commits.

Aranclanos wrote:>confirmation window pop-up

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, they are bad bad bad bad, there's nothing more awful than stop moving because a window made you lose focus

STEPS TO DO:
Add a message of what the player is doing ("you begin to put a bag of holding inside of another bag of holding, the timespace is breaking!" something like that but less lame)
Shake the camera of the player (so they know that "oh god shit's hitting the fan")
Add a timer before doing the action!, so it would take a few seconds, 5? 7? to actually put a BoH inside of another BoH.
It could also be a visible message, so people around the person can stop him from creating a singularity.
And it can also have some special sound, who can be cancelled thanks to our helper procs mid-way. And some visual effect besides the camera shaking. (The shaking can only be for the player using the BoH, so it can't be abused)

Also you added an exploit with that code, you can use the BoH, get the window, go to the other side of the station, and confirm. You can even use the same BoH to get a million of confirmation windows on different BoHs, if I'm being clear.

I just want a toggle that makes it can't put BOH in a BOH or you can put a BoH in a BoH could be related to the item itself like toggling a flashlight on and off.

Also would this waiting 5-7 seconds still allow for the person to run and escape because standing still when it pops is not going to be family friendly to your organs.

I assume moving would cancel the action. Spawning a singularity with your bare hands and then running away is ridiculous.

Rolan7 wrote:I assume moving would cancel the action. Spawning a singularity with your bare hands and then running away is ridiculous.

So now BoHs are suicides? Where's the fun in that

Keeping alive as the rest of the station.
Death is not, nor has it ever (in the past year atleast) been fun.

guys it was fixed lol

You can still create 2 singularities with 3 bags of holding, or 3 with 4, 9 with 10, etc.