/tg/Station 13

Byond account: BigZim

Character name: Buffalo Bill

Banning admin: Phuzzylodgik

Ban type: Jobban from Cook for 14 days.
Ban reason and length: Playing as engineer, was once again hanging out in the kitchen with W1fi. Helped build electrified grilles that killed a cook. This is not the first time these two have worked together in the kitchen to remove people from the round.
The ban is for 14 days and expires on 2019-07-26 15:51:17

Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2019-07-12 15:51:17 GMT

Server you were playing when banned: Event hall

Your side of the story: I was playing as an engineer and was making electric fences in the kitchen for the chef. I did this before in a round where I didn't break any rules and it went fine. The only people who got shocked were people breaking in (so the electric defenses were doing their job) and no one got 'removed from the round' as once shocked they fled the kitchen. Because of how well this went on, in another round I once again was pda'd by my friend W1fi to build electric fences in defense of the kitchen. Once again, the electric fences inside the kitchen worked well shocking anyone. However, the other chef wasn't too pleased and did attempt to beat me up. When he tried to beat me up for building the fences I pushed him into the fence and he died. Afterwards, the other chef W1fi took him too medbay to be cloned and he was back into the round.

Why you think you should be unbanned: Firstly, I don't understand why I was job banned from Chef for playing engineer. Although I admit I was spending a lot of time in the kitchen as engineer, is it against the rules to help out and build up the defenses if the chef wants it. Even then I still don't see how that means I should be banned from being a completely different role. Secondly, I don't know why in the report it said 'not the first time I've removed people from the round'. In previous rounds I've not removed anyone for no reason and in that round the only person who did die to the electrical fences was instantly taken to med bay and healed. Lastly, I don't know why we are being accused of working together to remove people. Me and my friend W1fi have made sure to not break meta friending rules. If he pda's me to build defenses in the kitchen and we arn't sharing any information in meta comms I don't see how this is seen as breaking the rules, and when a chef did get annoyed and tried to CQC me and ended up dieing we instantly rushed to heal him.

Overall, in future I will make sure to not work my friend as an engineer or build electric fences in the middle of the kitchen if the admins see this as rule breaking, but I wish to be unbanned from playing the cook as I wasn't even playing as the cook in the first place and I have learnt my lesson with being more careful in the kitchen.
Many thanks,
Big Zim

This ban occurred in round 112952 on Event Hall. (src, statbus, scrubby)

Apologies for not replying sooner. I meant to get to this last night but life got in the way.

I won't keep you in suspense: I'm going to tell you straight away that I'm denying your appeal.

Building a bunch of electrified grilles in the kitchen, while incredibly stupid, is not expressly against the rules. What pushes your conduct over into the realm of rulebreaking is how you used them. Despite your claims that the grilles were there only to "defend" the kitchen from intruders, (which is ridiculous by the way, cooks have CQC for a reason) it appears as though they were used primarily to deny Fittedriter/Max Maximillian - the other cook during this round - the use of the kitchen.

Here's the situation as I see it:

The previous round ended with you and your metafriend W1fi having had some sort of conflict with Fittedriter. Both parties enter into the round in question with a serious metagrudge chip on their shoulders. I know this from our ahelp conversations and also because of this odd, unprompted OOC comment made seconds after the start of the round:
Huh.

Anyway, the round starts and as you say, W1fi asks you to come by and turn the kitchen into a deathtrap:
A few minutes later, Fittedriter latejoins as Cook. He objects to your presence upon arriving in the kitchen, words are exchanged, you guys have some sort of slap fight in the cold room and he leaves to talk to security.

When he returns, the kitchen now looks like this:



Hoo-wee.

To make a long story short, you and W1fi then spend the next 10 minutes bouncing Fittedriter off of these grilles like he's inside a pinball machine:

[2019-07-12 15:18:37.859] ATTACK: [grille] has electrocuted Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 55.5) (Kitchen (133, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:40.735] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "there you go sir" (The Harmbaton (138, 125, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:45.532] SAY: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) "Leave before you get hurt" (Kitchen (135, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:50.857] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has stuffed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) into the disposal unit (NEWHP: 57.5) (Kitchen (132, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:54.581] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "sorry sir" (Kitchen (130, 119, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:55.976] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "slipped" (Kitchen (130, 119, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:56.065] ATTACK: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) has disarmed (CQC) BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) (NEWHP: 95) (Kitchen (130, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:56.068] ATTACK: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) has shoved BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 95) (Kitchen (130, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:59.117] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) aggressively (NEWHP: 57.5) (Kitchen (130, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:18:59.117] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) passive grab (NEWHP: 57.5) (Kitchen (130, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:01.443] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has disarmed (CQC) Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 57.5) (Kitchen (130, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:01.446] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has shoved Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 57.5) (Kitchen (130, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:02.566] ATTACK: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) has grabbed W1fi/(Rory Baxter) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Kitchen (130, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:02.567] ATTACK: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) has grabbed W1fi/(Rory Baxter) aggressively (NEWHP: 100) (Kitchen (130, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:04.017] ATTACK: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) has disarmed (CQC) W1fi/(Rory Baxter) (NEWHP: 95) (Kitchen (130, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:04.022] ATTACK: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) has shoved W1fi/(Rory Baxter) with onto the table (table) (NEWHP: 95) (Kitchen (130, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:05.588] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has shoved Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 16.7) (Kitchen (130, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:05.584] ATTACK: [grille] has electrocuted Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 16.7) (Kitchen (131, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:08.515] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) passive grab (NEWHP: 16.7) (Kitchen (132, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:10.042] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 16.7) (Kitchen (132, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:11.662] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has thrown Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) grab from tile in Kitchen (132, 121, 2) towards tile at Kitchen (131, 122, 2) (NEWHP: 16.7) (Kitchen (132, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:11.664] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has thrown Max Maximillian (Kitchen (132, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:11.670] ATTACK: [grille] has electrocuted Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: -23.3) (Kitchen (131, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:14.245] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) passive grab (NEWHP: -22.7) (Kitchen (131, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:15.110] EMOTE: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Kitchen (132, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:18.852] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -15.7) (Kitchen (131, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:20.588] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has thrown Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) grab from tile in Kitchen (131, 121, 2) towards tile at Kitchen (131, 122, 2) (NEWHP: -15.7) (Kitchen (131, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:19:20.590] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has thrown Max Maximillian (Kitchen (131, 121, 2))


[2019-07-12 15:25:49.435] ATTACK: [grille] has electrocuted Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 58.3) (Kitchen (135, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:25:49.438] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has shoved Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 58.3) (Kitchen (137, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:25:50.224] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has slipped on the [floor] (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:25:52.435] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "out th way bud" (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:25:55.786] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "working here" (Kitchen (135, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:25:58.815] SAY: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) "You aint" (Kitchen (136, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:01.158] ATTACK: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) has slipped on the [floor] (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:04.401] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has pressured (CQC) Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 58.3) (Kitchen (135, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:05.509] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has disarmed (CQC) Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 53.3) (Kitchen (135, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:05.520] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has shoved Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 12.5) (Kitchen (135, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:05.517] ATTACK: [grille] has electrocuted Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 12.5) (Kitchen (135, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:11.775] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has slipped on the [floor] (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:13.559] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has slipped on the [floor] (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:26:15.585] EMOTE: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Kitchen (135, 121, 2))


[2019-07-12 15:27:01.466] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) aggressively (NEWHP: 70) (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:01.466] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) passive grab (NEWHP: 70) (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:02.993] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has thrown Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) grab from tile in Kitchen (136, 121, 2) towards tile at Kitchen (135, 122, 2) (NEWHP: 70) (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:02.996] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has thrown Max Maximillian (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:03.005] ATTACK: [grille] has electrocuted Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 35) (Kitchen (135, 122, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:03.320] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has hit [grille] (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:06.506] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has restrained (CQC) Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 35) (Kitchen (134, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:07.265] ATTACK: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) has hit [grille] (Kitchen Cold Room (141, 118, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:09.477] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has disarmed (CQC) Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 31.3) (Kitchen (134, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:09.481] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has shoved Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 31.3) (Kitchen (134, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:11.107] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has pressured (CQC) Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) (NEWHP: 31.3) (Kitchen (135, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:12.543] EMOTE: Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Kitchen (136, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:12.789] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) aggressively (NEWHP: 35.3) (Kitchen (135, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:12.789] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has grabbed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) passive grab (NEWHP: 35.3) (Kitchen (135, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:13.441] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "rory" (Kitchen (136, 119, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:16.540] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "what happened to the chef again" (Kitchen (136, 119, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:18.939] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "he clusmy as ever" (Kitchen (136, 119, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:20.830] ATTACK: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) has stuffed Fittedriter/(Max Maximillian) into the disposal unit (NEWHP: 43.3) (Kitchen (132, 121, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:27:24.280] SAY: W1fi/(Rory Baxter) "sure is" (Kitchen (132, 121, 2))

I'll concede that you guys did in fact take Fittedriter to Medbay the first time you sent him into crit, but as you can see from the above logs, the two of you got shittier and shittier with each passing minute.

Repeatedly killing Fittedriter, cracking jokes about it and then stuffing him into disposals is not what we in the admin business call "good faith conduct."

Whatever the nature of your metagrudge with Fittedriter, he was playing as the second cook and had every right to be in his workplace. You and W1fi worked together with a wink and a nudge to deny him the use of that workplace, full stop.

Also of note: you were careful to provide W1fi with insulated gloves to ensure he wouldn't be shocked.

In fact, after W1fi had been arrested, you made this offer to the bartender:

[2019-07-12 15:42:01.542] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "alright" (Kitchen (137, 123, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:08.628] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "bar tender" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:15.595] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "you want some upgrades" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:22.155] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "some defences to keep anyone out" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:23.073] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "of the bar" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:26.134] EMOTE: Fittedriter[DC]/(Max Maximillian) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Kitchen (135, 120, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:31.755] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "i can make some shock protective" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:33.479] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "bar defences" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:33.982] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "but" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:37.551] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "ill need to get you gloves first" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:40.118] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "so you dont shock youtself" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))
[2019-07-12 15:42:48.805] SAY: BigZim/(Buffalo Bill) "ill be right back go grab some" (The Harmbaton (133, 128, 2))

You know who you didn't offer insulated gloves to? The guy you repeatedly electrocuted to death, Fittedriter.

The long and short of it is this:

W1fi's hobby is baiting people into the kitchen and fucking them up.
You helped him make the kitchen even more lethal.
Metagrudge-motivated, you both went way, way over the line.

And now both of you can stay out of the kitchen for a while.

Fair enough, thanks for the response and in future ill take care to not go as far as I did.