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srifenbyxp · Post by **srifenbyxp** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:28 pm #42681

Lots of people saying it be OP and it is, 2 sprays will kill anyone unprotected, don't know what poly acid did before it got buffed but I'd wager it should get nerfed to a constant burn damage 5 - 15 hp per tick unless ointment / water is applied to the character. Dropping and rolling does nothing, panic ensunes.

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/5685
https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/5713

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:07 pm #42689

If someone is naked already, one spray does about 400 damage. Instant death.
If they're fully clothed, one to melt the protective gear, next one kills.

Kinda funny when this shits stronger than badmin weapons.

deathhoof · Post by **deathhoof** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:47 pm #42691

new ubermesch weapon detected

Raven776 · Post by **Raven776** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:54 pm #42706

Not only does it melt protective gear, it permanently destroys hardsuits and any object.

As a CE, if someone ever so much as brews Poly acid, I want to go kill them to protect my advanced hardsuit.

From a safe distance of course...

iyaerP · Post by **iyaerP** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:13 am #42862

And yet, my polyacid smoke grenades never seem to get any kills on the shuttle.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:23 am #42865

And still no plasma requirement

QuartzCrystal · Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:26 pm

>be CMO and throw a polyacid smoke grenade at a nuke op
>nuke op instantly dies and melts into an unknown corpse
>bunch of crew members run through smoke, coming out the other side of the smoke naked and dead

I'm OK with this nerf.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:41 pm #42913

The problem is with the smoke applying the effects over and over, not the acid being strong. Although the damage/effect should probably depend on how much acid was used.

QuartzCrystal · Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:03 pm

MisterPerson wrote:The problem is with the smoke applying the effects over and over, not the acid being strong. Although the damage/effect should probably depend on how much acid was used.

When someone in a hardsuit is running and goes through 2-3 tiles of smoke and comes out the other side naked and dead instantly, that's acid being strong.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:16 pm #42919

I have a feeling poly acid is about to become the next chloral hydrate

Hornygranny · Post by **Hornygranny** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:16 pm #42927

It was the original chloral hydrate you smelly noobs!

MrGlasses · Post by **MrGlasses** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:17 pm #42931

I was running about as a chemist antag with the janitor's water backpack filled with polyacid. It really needs nerfed.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:23 pm #42932

Hornygranny wrote:It was the original chloral hydrate you smelly noobs!

#justoldfagthings

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:15 pm #42985

Spray bottle polyacid shouldn't apply to every body part. Get a spray bottle in real life, spray someone in the face. You can't spray their entire body.
Smoke nades were already an issue before this change because of the way it procs - things like mutagen are assblastingly strong because it mutates you a million times, where as stuff like beepsky/condensed cap isn't that powerful.

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:42 am #43023

no nerfs

no nerfs

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:56 am #43048

Kavaloosh wrote:no nerfs

no nerfs

Its not a nerf. Its a reverted buff.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:11 am #43115

Stickymayhem wrote:https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/5685
https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/5713

@paprka probably never, it's not remotely easy to add.

Really? I remember some time ago I tried filling a clown's flower with polyacid as a rev clown with polyacid thinking it'd be a hilarious way to robust loyalists and it just melted the flower. I'd figure you could do the same with spray bottles.

Remie Richards · Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:59 pm

Jacough wrote: Really? I remember some time ago I tried filling a clown's flower with polyacid [...] and it just melted the flower..

Nah, looking at the code that isn't a thing, unless it's handled some where stupid
(it's not on /acid code and not on the spray/waterflower code)

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:51 pm #43211

Look in baloons remie, they do the same thing as far as melting when acid is inside them.

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:44 pm #43291

cedarbridge wrote:
Kavaloosh wrote:no nerfs

no nerfs
Its not a nerf. Its a reverted buff.

you haven't been here long

have you

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:29 am #43336

Kavaloosh wrote:no nerfs

no nerfs

We must instead bring everything else up to poly acid's standards! Para-stunprods when?

iyaerP · Post by **iyaerP** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:48 am #43342

If we were doing that, we'd have to bring back old stungloves, and make them useable with TK

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:10 am #43345

Yes, do it.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:37 am #43371

I would simply just readd stungloves for traitors but cheridan had good reason for removing them besides them simply being unbalanced and easy to make, they had awful code.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:21 pm #43457

paprika wrote:I would simply just readd stungloves for traitors but cheridan had good reason for removing them besides them simply being unbalanced and easy to make, they had awful code.

Click code's been rewritten, so they could be added without the stunglove code being checked every time someone clicks on something.

Stungloves would make a good traitor item.

deathhoof · Post by **deathhoof** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:33 am #45362

Polyacid smoke grenades need to eat all the clothes while spray should only eat the clothes relative to the bodily region it was sprayed at. Additionally, polyacid needs to do as much damage externally as it does when consumed. Something like 25 damage per 5 units.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:32 am #45374

More oldfag opinions:

Nerf P Acid but not too much. It should still be really lethal. Seeing a chemist making it should be a cause for [PANIC], and demotion/arrest of that guy because there's no IC reason to make it. It's made a lot of us really happy to see the return of purple cloud apocalypses.

Also buff Lexorin you heartless bastards it's one of the more complicated drugs to make but there's little reason to bother making it when 15 units of unstable mutagen does the job better.

EDIT: Remember CMO's, your job isn't to run medbay it's to make sure none of the lunatics you have in your employ are creating death sprays/distributing hulk/infecting everyone with space aids. I don't think most CMO's realize just how devastating a lot of this stuff can be, and how easily most people in those departments can make it because I almost never see the CMO doing spot checks. Most CMO's just make sure nobody has stolen the surgical saw and then mill about doing nothing while the geneticist turns every assistant into an ubermensch and the chemist fills a spray bottle with LIQUID HELL.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:54 am #45379

An0n3 wrote: there's no IC reason to make it.

There's at least one concoction that requires pacid but isn't harmful in and of itself.

ExplosiveCrate · Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:56 am

For the record, poly acid is an important component in making metal foam grenades, which are pretty good at sealing breaches or creating barriers when busting into the AI's core.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:05 pm #45428

ExplosiveCrate wrote:For the record, poly acid is an important component in making metal foam grenades, which are pretty good at sealing breaches or creating barriers when busting into the AI's core.

Or removing horse heads.

An0n3 wrote:Also buff Lexorin you heartless bastards it's one of the more complicated drugs to make but there's little reason to bother making it when 15 units of unstable mutagen does the job better.

Holy shit get that out of my mining stim pens first before you do that.

iyaerP · Post by **iyaerP** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:33 pm #45906

I think that polyacid should not instantly annihilate any and all items affected by even the tiniest amount of it. Mining riggs, sec hardsuits and other unique items that are 100% irreplaceable should not be instantly disintegrated because they were exposed to 10 units of acid for half a second.

If anything, pacid should act like alien acid does now, slowly melting whatever it is applied to over about a minute. Make it have more of an effect the longer it is exposed and the more of it that there is. As it is right now, it is like we and all our gear is all made of cotton candy and the pacid spray bottle is a goddamn firehose.

Remie Richards · Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:34 pm

Clothing currently takes 20 damage from pacid, which for most Armoured suits is about 3/4 sprays.
so "instant" is only because you were spammed with it, and the spamming is the primary issue.

Post by **lumipharon** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:26 pm #45973

I have been killed from a single spray of 5u of acid before. One time during wiz round, I tried to remove my cursed katana. was fully clothed and full health, clicked the katana once - instantly dead.

Remie Richards · Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:25 am

Doubt you were full health, even pre nerf there shouldn't be enough to crit, unless you unluckily had your hat break and the chance to melt your face proc'd.

Again, Armour takes 20 points off it's damage protection values (Bio,Melee,Energy etc.) and only break when all those values reach 0.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:35 am #46113

ExplosiveCrate wrote:For the record, poly acid is an important component in making metal foam grenades, which are pretty good at sealing breaches or creating barriers when busting into the AI's core.

I guess I forgot. I hardly never see anyone make those, nor do I ever get asked to cook them up.

The one time I can remember seeing someone use one was when there was the glitch with infinite foam reactions with a medbot. All of escape and the hallway up to the airlocks by the bridge got filled in.

Saltycut · Post by **Saltycut** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:42 pm #46151

I've played two rounds today. Both times have been killed with acid. Also, using sprayer currently doesn't show users name in the chat, just huge text wall of melted gear. It would be nice if it would log the action with something like "PersonX has sprayed PersonY with some substance".

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:36 pm #46156

I was in that round, I was simply standing in Chemistry talking to Reed when I suddenly dropped dead completely naked. I had no chance to defend myself as I only noticed I was being attacked when I died.

Same thing happened with many other people.

It really needs to be fixed, everyone hates it and some people have proclaimed that they are leaving the server until its fixed.

Remie Richards · Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:22 pm

The Nerf has been merged:

* Acids deal half the current damage to humans
* Acids deal more damage to monkeys (old numbers were hilariously low in comparison to humans)
* Reagent sprayers now take x2 longer to fire
* Reagent sprayers cannot hold Acids anymore

ExplosiveCrate · Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:32 pm

Wait, if sprayers can't hold acid anymore what's the point of nerfing their spray speed?

Remie Richards · Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:05 pm

because spamming any reagent with them is pretty bollocks, it was only highlighted when one particular chemical became instant kill when spammed.
It's not a major nerf tbh, the delay is 8 ticks (1 second is 10 ticks), 8 ticks is also the melee weapon delay speed, so it's nothing new and scary.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:09 pm #46213

Feels like another isntantly-merged change that goes beyond any one needed change to make 3 instead. RiP fighting wizards by melting their hats (which we've been able to do since the dawn of acid.)
http://i.imgur.com/GAnAQEg.gif

Post by **oranges** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:10 pm #46214

Because they're still ridiculously fast at spraying all the other chems.

fakeedit:Ninja'ed

Also Cedar, you can still do it, it's just a little bit harder stop whining.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:12 pm #46216

oranges wrote:Because they're still ridiculously fast at spraying all the other chems.

fakeedit:Ninja'ed

Also Cedar, you can still do it, it's just a little bit harder stop whining.

Acid is removed from sprayers. That literally makes spraying it impossible Oranges. Its right there on the list. Unless you're suggesting the real solution is to rush up to a wizard at touch distance and throw beakers in his face.

Incomptinence · Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:58 pm

Remie? Remie? What about hacked medical borgs? They had an acid sprayer?

Remie Richards · Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:01 pm

Incomptinence wrote:Remie? Remie? What about hacked medical borgs? They had an acid sprayer?

That, Is an oversight on my part!
I'll unfuck Hacked medborgs and Give the Chemsprayer (the big motherfucker) the ability to shoot acids again too.

Nice catch.

Edit: Technically, the borg spray object forces the acid into the sprayer, it would fire anyway, the borg just wouldn't be able to refill it.

ExplosiveCrate · Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:24 pm

They could never refill it in the first place. It's been one of the big problems with hacked medborgs for the longest time. Unless something was changed, anyways. Haven't been hacked recently at all.

...Which is something I thought I made an issue report for but never actually did.

Random Players · Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:42 pm

Actually, they can. Except they need to sit in a recharger for it. For a lonnggggg as hell time.
It really needs to be passive recharge, even if slow. And ideally have a counter like Engiborg has for it's materials.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:19 pm #46259

cedarbridge wrote:
oranges wrote:Because they're still ridiculously fast at spraying all the other chems.

fakeedit:Ninja'ed

Also Cedar, you can still do it, it's just a little bit harder stop whining.
Acid is removed from sprayers. That literally makes spraying it impossible Oranges. Its right there on the list. Unless you're suggesting the real solution is to rush up to a wizard at touch distance and throw beakers in his face.

That is exactly what I'm suggesting