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As of now, Delta Station is one of two maps without a White Ship, so I decided to try and make one for it. After a few weeks worth of mapping, I've come up with the BYO whiteship, complete with snazzy star-trek next jumpsuits.
I want to get feedback on this before I try PR'ring it. To do:
Add docking ports. - DONE
Testing - check derelict/lavaland ports. - DONE
Hell test fucking everything

looks pretty neat, but add some phat loot to reward the good goys that claimed it first

Retro laser is a required spawn. Highpop means it could do with an extra SSU.
Could use a boozeomat and maybe a few botany seeds
The science room kind of lacks and could probably benefit from one of the science machines, maybe a chemmaster and a exofab to encourage fleshing it out

Honestly I don't really like the design though, it doesn't have much that sets it apart from meta and I don't know what you could add that could stand out.

Here is the Metastation White Ship by comparison. It is not very different...
You could perhaps take this chance to make a portable mini-station! Plop down an autolathe in the Engi section for facilitating Engineering and Atmos autism! Hide boards in the Science section (R&D console, chem dispenser, circuit printer)!

Basically, leave the bare minimum of things around so people who find it can turn it into a second station given enough time and effort. Heck, you could base a super low-pop map on this concept.

Deitus wrote:looks pretty neat, but add some phat loot to reward the good goys that claimed it first

Will do.

Yakumo_Chen wrote:Retro laser is a required spawn. Highpop means it could do with an extra SSU.
Could use a boozeomat and maybe a few botany seeds
The science room kind of lacks and could probably benefit from one of the science machines, maybe a chemmaster and a exofab to encourage fleshing it out

Honestly I don't really like the design though, it doesn't have much that sets it apart from meta and I don't know what you could add that could stand out.

Thought I mapped in the boozeomat, I'll add that and the other suggestions, though I'll definitely be trying Gun Hog's suggesstion.

Gun Hog wrote:Here is the Metastation White Ship by comparison. It is not very different...

Spoiler:

Had the idea of making it a barebones ship before I started mapping it, so I'll give that a go.
You could perhaps take this chance to make a portable mini-station! Plop down an autolathe in the Engi section for facilitating Engineering and Atmos autism! Hide boards in the Science section (R&D console, chem dispenser, circuit printer)!

Basically, leave the bare minimum of things around so people who find it can turn it into a second station given enough time and effort. Heck, you could base a super low-pop map on this concept.

Barebones ship was an idea I tossed around, I'll give that a try in a few days.

Mark9013100 wrote:

Yakumo_Chen wrote:Retro laser is a required spawn. Highpop means it could do with an extra SSU.
Could use a boozeomat and maybe a few botany seeds
The science room kind of lacks and could probably benefit from one of the science machines, maybe a chemmaster and a exofab to encourage fleshing it out

Honestly I don't really like the design though, it doesn't have much that sets it apart from meta and I don't know what you could add that could stand out.

Thought I mapped in the boozeomat, I'll add that and the other suggestions, though I'll definitely be trying Gun Hog's suggesstion.

Don't add stuff just because something else has something. Not everything should be identical and draining away anything unique from other stuff.

Good point, definitely going with the BYOS route.

Yeah don't add machines aside from what you have for medbay.

The point of the ships is fleshing them out yourself, not having them come prebuilt at some degree.

D&B wrote:Yeah don't add machines aside from what you have for medbay.

The point of the ships is fleshing them out yourself, not having them come prebuilt at some degree.

If only the actual maps were built like this.

Here's what I have as of now:

That is great! All you need now is to put all the dirt and grime back down, and you have yourself a BYOS White Ship!

All that's left now is to test it ingame then make the PR, though Dream Daemon is being difficult to work with right now.

Honestly speaking adding science boards to it takes away the fun of building your own RnD lab.

If someone wants to claim it they can very easily ask for extra boards from RnD or loot them from maint. Putting them in like that feels like hand feeding.

This is on hold until I can get local server to boot up.

Would it be possible to get those fan thingies down at the shuttle's exterior doors or is that too hugboxy? It was always mildly irritating that the ship so quickly depressurizes if you disembark in a space area

I've read somewhere those are a huge no-no for mapping. Which is why they often get removed from maps.

There's a way to link airlocks so when one opens the other closes, they're on the bridge doors on most maps. Those could be added to help with the depressurizing thing.

Unless you have a way to pump air back in to the airlock after it is depressurised it will still just leech air from the adjacent room every time the airlock cycles to interior

You'll always lose a bit of air unless you make an actual airlock (which could be a project for whoever found the ship) or cheat and use the little fans.

TribeOfBeavers wrote:There's a way to link airlocks so when one opens the other closes, they're on the bridge doors on most maps. Those could be added to help with the depressurizing thing.

Didn't know those existed, I'll edit the airlocks when I get the chance tomorrow, still need to get a local server up though.

make a room thats got a breach idk repairing shit can be fun just dont make it a requirement

Gotten extremely busy with things recently, plus haven't been able to get a local server up, so this might take a while.

D&B wrote:I've read somewhere those are a huge no-no for mapping. Which is why they often get removed from maps.

For the station.

ExcessiveJMadison wrote:

D&B wrote:I've read somewhere those are a huge no-no for mapping. Which is why they often get removed from maps.

For the station.

The station doesn't need them because it has atmos to replace the lost air, they're for when something that doesn't have room for atmos needs to keep the air in.

I'm going to need some help with this, dreamdaemon has a stroke every time I boot up a server with deltastation.

Looks pretty neat! Might I suggest trying to follow the theme of deltastation's shuttles in terms of floor patterns to help keep the look going? If you need any help, let me know!

Mark9013100 wrote:I'm going to need some help with this, dreamdaemon has a stroke every time I boot up a server with deltastation.

Describe your problem in more detail, please.

Mark9013100 wrote:I'm going to need some help with this, dreamdaemon has a stroke every time I boot up a server with deltastation.

You need to have deltastation and basemap checked. That's probably your problem.

BeeSting12 wrote:

Mark9013100 wrote:I'm going to need some help with this, dreamdaemon has a stroke every time I boot up a server with deltastation.

You need to have deltastation and basemap checked. That's probably your problem.

Thanks, I'll tick those both then test.

Okand37 wrote:Looks pretty neat! Might I suggest trying to follow the theme of deltastation's shuttles in terms of floor patterns to help keep the look going? If you need any help, let me know!

Will do, and thanks!

Well, I managed to get the local server up, but dreamdaemon just keeps giving me this after it starts:
runtime error: bad list
proc name: Error (/world/Error)
source file: error_handler.dm,20
runtime error: bad list

Also, replaced all the flooring, here's what I got now: Feedback?

Looks interesting! For the rooms, instead of leaving them *completely* blank, I'd suggest having them filled with half-built machine frames, computers, tables, and the supplies to build stuff in that room spread around in it instead of a convenient single crate. It leaves the ability to highly customize and change while keeping it aesthetically pleasing.

You're also using the science door when you might want to use the research one (the purple is more of a mild colour as opposed to that deep royal purple.)

I'd suggest looking at MetaStation's white shuttle to see the kind of loot you should have (black gloves, armor vests, swat helmets and a retro pistol, specifically) and try to follow the Delta theme of having it somewhat luxurious and extravagant. With Delta, you'll notice all over the place, from maintenance to other, are a lot of fun and cosmetic items that can be used to help fuel gimmicks, which is what I'd suggest aiming for when you consider the loot table.

EDIT: Another thing is I'd suggest trying to add warning lines around some of the equipment stuff like you'll notice around Delta. It's good to keep the theme of a place consistent with its artistic style.

Do you any recommendations for the flooring in the upper part of the ship? Feels like I could put more colored tiles instead of the neutral ones.

I'd suggest taking a look at rooms like hydroponics for an example of how you might be able to the hydroponics/kitchen area (and maybe take some influence from the service department as a whole, really.)

Alright, I'll work on it more tomorrow, I'll still need to figure out what's with the runtimes though.

I suggest asking Jordie, he's got a good head when it comes to computer stuff (I also suck at computer stuff.)

Runtime was dealt with by updating to latest branch of the code, now I just have to figure out how docking ports work

Do note, I haven't actually mapped anything proper in over a year, so my memory is dodgy/foggy at best, but if it serves correctly here's this, hope it helps.

Let's see if I can remember... you'll need both a obj/docking_port/mobile and a obj/docking_port/stationary within the same location with a shared ID. If you want the shuttle to be downward facing with the cockpit at the bottom, just set: dir = 2, port Angle = 90, preferred_direction = 2(?) Setting the shuttle boundaries, however, is a bit more tedious. When you go through the properties, you'll see four distinct values you want to pay attention to:
dheight, dwidth, height, and width. dheight and dwidth are used to determine where on the shuttle co-ordinates the actual docking port is. As an example, here's deltastation's shuttle:


On deltastation's shuttle, the values in order are: dheight = 0, dwidth = 11, height 18, width 30. If you keep the same direction values, you can work off of what you know rather easily.
dheight = 0, if we considered this an x,y graph dheight would be negative x and dwith would be positive y. There are 0 spaces to the left, or "negative" of the pinpointer, so we input 0 for dheight. For dwidth, we look at the spaces above the pinpointer, and we can count that there are a total of 11 spaces above the pinpointer, so we input 11 for dwidth. Height and width, on the other hand, are the total dimensions of the shuttle. If we count starting from the pinpointer's position as 1, we can see its a total of 18 across. Due to the dir we have inputted, this will be the height, so height = 18. Lastly, we start from the top of the shuttle and count in a similar fashion til we reach the bottom. We can count 29 squares in total (which probably means I goofed and put 1 over) so width = 29 (or in this case, 30 as its 1 over.) Now we can see how we got all of our dimensions, and hopefully this helps.

Shuttles have been changed and those rules don't necessarily apply. You can even have multiple areas in them now.

oh neat

Thanks for the docking port info, a bit confusing but hopefully I'll have this PR'd within a few days, also, screenshots: However, the ship can't dock at the Soviet station, too big.

ADMIN LOG: Shuttle White-Ship cannot dock at Deep Space, error: height_too_large

Getting this now, not exactly sure what I missed, unless the height and weight vars are inverted as well.

Okay time to get some final questions out of the way, in the map editor each whiteship has it's own file, while also having an exact copy on the station map as well. How exactly does the ship's placement work?

Also I keep getting errors about the docking weight/height being too large. The currents vars I have for the ship's docking port are: dheight 14, dir 2, dwidth 20, height 15, and width 28.

Mark9013100 wrote:Okay time to get some final questions out of the way, in the map editor each whiteship has it's own file, while also having an exact copy on the station map as well. How exactly does the ship's placement work?

Also I keep getting errors about the docking weight/height being too large. The currents vars I have for the ship's docking port are: dheight 14, dir 2, dwidth 20, height 15, and width 28.

Call WJohnston down to give you tips. My solution to this would be to try to var-edit the docking port during runtime until it works.

I wish we had rusted/damaged shuttle walls. They look too clean. Consider removing a few floortiles, and maybe give it a compelling backstory told through the debris and damage. Why is this ship abandoned in space? What happened to the crew?

I'll try and flag him down today or tomorrow, but is there a page on docking ports anywhere?

Having too much trouble from the vertical design, going to remap the ship horizontally.

Going to wait on this https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/31942 to be merged before I continue working on the ship.

Had a go at the white ship a while ago too

Shezza wrote:Had a go at the white ship a while ago too

Unique layout, looks nice. Pipes under the walls might be problematic for engineers though.

Just need to do a little more testing and it should be ready.

Edit: PR is finally up, https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/32414, many thanks to Wjohn and Okand for helping with the technical side of things. Ships decals had to be cut though.