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BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:21 am
by danno
Contextual crafting was so much better than this schlock
I don't care if it makes more sense code wise or whatever
The menu is so fucking stuuuuuuuuuuppid ohhhhh my gooooood
Contextual crafting is more interesting and intuitive
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:21 am
by Super Aggro Crag
danno wrote:Contextual crafting was so much better than this schlock
I don't care if it makes more sense code wise or whatever
The menu is so fucking stuuuuuuuuuuppid ohhhhh my gooooood
Contextual crafting is more interesting and intuitive
I agree with danno.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:23 am
by PKPenguin321
this thread is a little bit late
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:25 am
by Super Aggro Crag
Was tablecrapping removed?
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:42 am
by Qbopper
PKPenguin321 wrote:this thread is a little bit late
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:54 am
by MMMiracles
Pretty sure there was already one attempt at going full crafting menu/contextual crafting, and it ended with contextual crafting surviving because MSO wanted it to.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:04 am
by danno
How is it late
the crafting menu is still in game
What am I missing
By "contextual crafting" I mean when you bashed two things together to make shit, what do you think I mean
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:05 am
by danno
The name being from the fact that the crafting was contextual depending on the two things you smacked together
????
We literally have tablecrafting with a crafting menu
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:13 am
by TheColdTurtle
Keep table crafting and menu crafting?
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:27 am
by Luke Cox
Why can't we have both?
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:35 am
by Super Aggro Crag
Yeah lets bloat da code
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:25 am
by Tokiko2
I feel like the crafting menu could be instantly improved 10x if you added a button to quickly jump to any list you want instead of being forced to move from page to page until you are in the category you want. This would be especially useful for cooks.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:12 am
by bman
slapcrafting is the name for it
slapcrafting makes you feel like you're actually doing something rather than perpetuating that ss13 is the ui clicker, horziontal sprite renderer we are all complaining that it has become.
also it's much more interesting.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:41 pm
by Armhulen
>craft button
>30 seconds of loading
>make one item
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:03 pm
by ShadowDimentio
Slapcrafting is great, remove the stupid GUI and make everything slapcrafting.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:13 pm
by iamgoofball
crafting menu is here to stay
you can have slapcrafting back when you rewrite slapcrafting to comply with code standards
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:42 pm
by danno
slapcrafting is a better name, I'll concede that
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:04 pm
by WJohnston
I actually rather like the crafting menu, but it can DEFINITELY use improvements. I think if we made it closer to CDDA's crafting menu, it would be a lot more usable.
Here's what it has that we don't.
-Subcategories
-Separates the craftable objects, components required, and the item's stats/description into three separate windows.
-Tools and components required are flexible, multiple alternative options possible. (Any object with hammering ability, crowbar or makeshift crowbar).
-Lots of details on what the objects are, their stats (damage, weight class etc)
-Color coding
-Loads and loads of filters and search functions.
-Batches (1x 5x 10x kind of thing, used in only the protolathe, autolathe, and biogen right now.)
Now I recognize we'd need a pretty major amount of information added to each and every item in the game for this to give us sufficient information, but if clock cult has shown us anything, it's that it's absolutely possible to do that. Clock cult has a wonderful amount of information about every item, ability, and synergy in it, we can aspire to be a little more like it in that regard, if nothing else.
It is however completely ridiculous to think that contextual handcrafting is more intuitive than a system with loads of information on what can/can't be used to craft it.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:05 pm
by Remie Richards
We actually do have Subcategories.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:10 pm
by WJohnston
Ah right, that was added recently.
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:24 pm
by John_Oxford
(I actually agree with wjohnson a CDDA-esque crafting menu would be much much better than any other crafting menu we could dream up and information playing a heavier role in crafting is great and i love it and fund it but;)
heh i bet your gonna ask to remove clowns next
learn to tradiation faggot
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:33 am
by BeeSting12
dont we have slap crafting for the spear?
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:50 am
by danno
fixed the thread name
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:14 am
by Steelpoint
Tablecrafting is fine except the menu its laid out in sucks horribly.
The crafting menu needs to list all catagories in a way that makes it instant to navigate it, instead of skipping through twenty categories to find the one you want.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:43 pm
by Kel
danno is right
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:00 pm
by CPTANT
Steelpoint wrote:Tablecrafting is fine except the menu its laid out in sucks horribly.
The crafting menu needs to list all catagories in a way that makes it instant to navigate it, instead of skipping through twenty categories to find the one you want.
This. For starters all food things should be in one food category that has sub categories.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:16 pm
by Remie Richards
Food was originally a single category, but it destroyed potato (ironic) computers so goof made it 20 pages instead of 1.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:21 pm
by TheColdTurtle
Just have both, code bloat isn't an argument in 2017 where we have many useless uplink items and bloated gamemodes.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:45 pm
by Wyzack
My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:19 pm
by Remie Richards
Wyzack wrote:My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time
P O T A T E
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:48 pm
by CPTANT
Wyzack wrote:My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time
*cough" Submenus.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:57 pm
by TheColdTurtle
Wyzack wrote:My computer is not a potato and the unified food menu crashed me every time
Run CCleaner see if that helps
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:33 pm
by danno
I remember when crafting didn't risk crashing your byond, and wasn't an arduous affair that made you blind to the fucking game because a stupid crafting window covered your entire screen
I beg
I fucking beg
someone please consider putting in the effort to make a version of slapcrafting that is up to code standards
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:45 am
by Anonmare
CosmicScientist wrote:BeeSting12 wrote:dont we have slap crafting for the spear?
Spear, stunprod and flamer should all still have slapcrafting. I assume all other slapcrafting not to do with food from before tablecrafting also still exist unless someone grudgecoded any out.
You forgot single-tank bombs.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:50 am
by ShadowDimentio
I fail to see why code is such an autistic fighting point over slapcrafting
Who cares if the code is bad, if it works it works, and as an added bonus your game doesn't crash and you don't have to wait a century every time you want to make a cake.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:00 am
by ohnopigeons
ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad
The people who have to maintain it and work with it in any updates
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:01 am
by danno
who cares if the code is bad
- a "let's remove coderbus" lobbyist
cmon, son.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:05 am
by ShadowDimentio
ohnopigeons wrote:ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad
The people who have to maintain it and work with it in any updates
Sucks for them. I don't care how wonderful the code for the crafting menu is, slapcrafting is better in every way.
Also I'm on your side Danno you dummy, calm down
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:25 am
by bman
when cyberboss' construction datum is merged slapcrafting should be easier to implement in a modular way.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:20 am
by Drynwyn
ShadowDimentio wrote:ohnopigeons wrote:ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad
The people who have to maintain it and work with it in any updates
Sucks for them. I don't care how wonderful the code for the crafting menu is, slapcrafting is better in every way.
Also I'm on your side Danno you dummy, calm down
The code being good matters.
It's a question of getting cool new features today versus getting cool new features tomorrow. You weren't around before we moved to GitHub and before we upheld decent standards, but the code became such a convoluted mess that now, after years of refactoring, there are
still significant components of code that only the most experienced coders can deal with because of all the crap added to the code in the name of "who cares as long as it works". Without code quality standards, the code becomes convoluted until only a group even smaller than those currently in charge (and for the most part a subset of said people in charge) is even
capable of making changes.
Re: BRING BACK SLAPCRAFTING
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:39 pm
by Qbopper
ShadowDimentio wrote:Who cares if the code is bad
how can you not type something like this and think about what you're saying
like no offense but come on
Re: Remove tablecrafting/crafting menu
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:05 pm
by MisterPerson
CosmicScientist wrote:BeeSting12 wrote:dont we have slap crafting for the spear?
Spear, stunprod and flamer should all still have slapcrafting. I assume all other slapcrafting not to do with food from before tablecrafting also still exist unless someone grudgecoded any out.
I can personally assure you that grudgecoding them out is impossible.