/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:19 pm**

The extended announcement initially sounded like a good idea. Who wouldn't like it? You get to trust your coworkers completely so you can do cool things such as the station goals and awesome autism forts plus RP. What's not to love? Well, I'll tell you.

I just had a round where someone released watervapor roundstart, and after extended was announced the, and I don't mean minor IC crime, I mean literal greytide was kicked up five notches. Botany mutation bananas thrown everywhere, assaulting officers and taking batons, one guy that I gulagged threw the beacon in the lava so noone else could be gulagged, botany mutation bananas on the shuttle, etc. I had to upload a security can designate people as nonhuman law and distribute the armory before ten minutes. This is not the intended point of the extended announcement, there was very few players doing their jobs, roleplaying beyond ;HALP SHITCURITY and ;GREYTIDE RIOTS!!, cooperating to do station goals, etc.

My theory is that it tells players that they didn't get their antagonist roll, nobody else did so they won't have valids to hunt, it isn't conversion based so they have no chance of being antagonist, so they decide to do the next best thing: Be shit to their fellow players. This may sound like a player problem, but it also is because of this feature meant to allow players to trust each other so they can do cool things. I guess the only bright side of it is that I realized there was no antagonists so I ahelped the situation, unfortunately no admins were online until the end of the round.

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:24 pm**

sounds like you would of won the fight if you had me playing

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:28 pm**

We did win the fight. We killed anyone causing problems and went full hitler sec. This is an issue because we shouldn't have to go full hitler sec on extended. Part policy but I feel like a lot of it would've been dealt with if admins were on. PKP came on later and asked for the botanist names so at least they'll be noted or banned.

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:29 pm**

kevinz000 wrote:sounds like you would of won the fight if you had me playing

the kevinz in its native hunting grounds, here the kevinz is pouncing on the opportunity to brag. note how it moves its back muscles to carefully coordinate where it lands, it positions its arm to prepare for a swipe once it is close to landing.

using this ingenious hunting method it is able to take down its prey before it can give chase, and thus avoid needless expenditure of energy.

on topic: i support this idea remove the announcement pls

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:57 pm**

kevinz000 wrote:sounds like you would of won the fight if you had me playing

It's "would have" you retard

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:11 pm**

just remove extended from the rotation and reserve it for admins to force so they can do events

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:51 pm**

Or keep it as is and punish the greytiders

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:52 pm**

I thought seeing you say "would of" last night was a fluke, kevin
learn english you rat FUCK

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:06 pm**

XDTM wrote:Or keep it as is and punish the greytiders

If you mean ICly, that's what we did. If you mean OOCly, the only admin online was playing so nothing got dealt with till Exalted got on and took care of the griefing botanists (i think)

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:13 pm**

I'm guilty of severely greytiding every time there's an extended announcement because I'd rather contribute to the shuttle being called faster and move on to the next round and hunt valids than sit there and actually use my brain to work on autism projects and the like.

Secret Extended usually produces more fun rounds so I support the removal of the extended announcements

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:47 am**

captain sawrge wrote:
kevinz000 wrote:sounds like you would of won the fight if you had me playing
It's "would have" you retard

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:49 am**

please be patient, they don't teach good english in North Korea
dude,
kevin
remember?

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:09 am**

Look at all this on-topic admin discussion.

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:42 am**

Limski wrote:I'm guilty of severely committing minor IC crimes every time there's an extended announcement because I'd rather contribute to the shuttle being called faster and move on to the next round and hunt valids than sit there and actually use my brain to work on autism projects and the like.

TG station

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:13 am**

The extended announcement, as I always said, was a stupid mistake from the beginning

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:17 am**

Rework Station Goals to be more interesting, complicated, and involved with all departments so that the crew has something to work towards in Extended.

Station Shield is pathetically easy, a single guy with a space suit can get it done within minutes.

Bluespace Cannon does not even work. Assuming it does all you need is Mining and RnD to finish it.

DNA Vault is the most interesting as it requires the entire station to cooperate, but its rewards are very meh.

Maybe even consider making extended ramp up the chance for random events to occur, or make there be a larger event that can trigger, maybe a hivebot invasion or all the food on the station disappears.

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:46 am**

Steelpoint wrote: DNA Vault is the most interesting as it requires the entire station to cooperate, but its rewards are very meh.

>meh
>halved click cooldowns

really?

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:48 am**

Maybe I've only gotten the less than stellar rewards in the few rounds we got it running.

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:09 am**

Super agreed. Remove the announcement. Extended is great, the mild grey tide, people fucking around, rage cage, "gangs", everyone engaging with something is bread and butter of SS13. In fact, i've put Extended as my 3rd favorite mode in the recent poll.

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:15 am**

Limski wrote:I'm guilty of severely committing minor IC crimes every time there's an extended announcement because I'd rather contribute to the shuttle being called faster and move on to the next round and hunt valids than sit there and actually use my brain to work on autism projects and the like.

Secret Extended usually produces more fun rounds so I support the removal of the extended announcements

So we should make it secret so you don't grief and make the round shit so people leave?
It seems your attitude is the issue rather than the announcement. If you make a point of ruining a round of course it's not gonna be fun.

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:03 pm**

XDTM wrote:
Limski wrote:I'm guilty of severely committing minor IC crimes every time there's an extended announcement because I'd rather contribute to the shuttle being called faster and move on to the next round and hunt valids than sit there and actually use my brain to work on autism projects and the like.

Secret Extended usually produces more fun rounds so I support the removal of the extended announcements
So we should make it secret so you don't grief and make the round shit so people leave?
It seems your attitude is the issue rather than the announcement. If you make a point of ruining a round of course it's not gonna be fun.

I was explaining what's going on in the mind of every greyshit on the server every time they see the extended announcement, if you think that greyshirts need to be punished OOC for committing minor IC crimes then that turns into a policy issue

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:17 pm**

Steelpoint wrote:Maybe I've only gotten the less than stellar rewards in the few rounds we got it running.

Adding on to the click cooldown thing.
I forgot when I made it I made it apply to ALL click cooldowns.

Which means you can even shoot faster, as well as the mudamudamudamudamuda punches.

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:21 pm**

People will play extended when there isnt a 95% chance to survive a round by locking yourself in a locker room locker

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:06 pm**

Extended announcement being greytide signal is a policy issue.
Extended being announced at all is a code issue.
Imo it shouldn't be announced as all memes aside I thought this was about paranoia?

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:17 pm**

I'm pretty sure I mentioned something about it going against paranoia

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:34 pm**

Give me free reign to modify sec during extended rounds and keep the annoucement.

Im the best at making things unfun for shitters

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:10 pm**

The point of extended is being able to complete long-term projects (for example, xenobio as a free golem). People are usually not going to start working towards stuff that only pays off after 40+ minutes since they could be murdered or, more likely, the round could end before payoff. And trying and failing for several rounds hoping that this one is extended is really annoying, since you're basically wasting your time for no payoff round after round, and leads to burnout. Having a mode that says that for once, you don't have to worry about external factors and will let you complete that idea is good.

What is not good is people that hate that this kind of round is different from the other rounds, and try to turn it into a grief festival with a 20 minute shuttlecall, completely voiding its reason to exist. Considering 100% of highpop and ~80?% of lowpop is normal rounds with valids, we could let people with long-term projects have a round for them without complaining for the lack of valids.

Posted: **Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:12 pm**

The type of players that we have cannot handle nice things such as being told that it's extended. The announcement needs to be removed or they need to be banned, I honestly don't care which but seeing every window on the station broken and half the station mutated into flies or golems because of botany's shitty plants every time the extended announcement is announced is getting old.

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:30 pm**

Please just remove the announcement and as a metabreaker make it so that there's a 10% chance non-extended rounds get the objective to make all three station goals

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:21 pm**

has anyone ever considered that only a antag would commit a crime?

and that we have a rule for act like a antag get treated like a antag?

and that antags are valid?

therefore minor ic crime is valid wtf i hate assistants now

Posted: **Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:02 pm**

Bombadil wrote:Please just remove the announcement and as a metabreaker make it so that there's a 10% chance non-extended rounds get the objective to make all three station goals

or for bonus fun, make the announcement occasionally fire when it's not really extended so you can never be 100% sure

Posted: **Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:27 pm**

Screemonster wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Please just remove the announcement and as a metabreaker make it so that there's a 10% chance non-extended rounds get the objective to make all three station goals
or for bonus fun, make the announcement occasionally fire when it's not really extended so you can never be 100% sure

fuck, this is a terrible idea but it would make me laugh so much

especially if it wasn't in the changelog (200% not happening)

Posted: **Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:47 pm**

Qbopper wrote:
Screemonster wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Please just remove the announcement and as a metabreaker make it so that there's a 10% chance non-extended rounds get the objective to make all three station goals
or for bonus fun, make the announcement occasionally fire when it's not really extended so you can never be 100% sure
fuck, this is a terrible idea but it would make me laugh so much

especially if it wasn't in the changelog (200% not happening)

wait for an extended round then spawn ops at roundstart

be the change you want to see in the world

Posted: **Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:49 pm**

Screemonster wrote:
Qbopper wrote:
Screemonster wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Please just remove the announcement and as a metabreaker make it so that there's a 10% chance non-extended rounds get the objective to make all three station goals
or for bonus fun, make the announcement occasionally fire when it's not really extended so you can never be 100% sure
fuck, this is a terrible idea but it would make me laugh so much

especially if it wasn't in the changelog (200% not happening)
wait for an extended round then spawn ops at roundstart

be the change you want to see in the world

admins do this occasionally already

Posted: **Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:42 am**

Screemonster wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Please just remove the announcement and as a metabreaker make it so that there's a 10% chance non-extended rounds get the objective to make all three station goals
or for bonus fun, make the announcement occasionally fire when it's not really extended so you can never be 100% sure

This would defeat the whole point of having the announcement in the first place.

Qbopper wrote:
Screemonster wrote: wait for an extended round then spawn ops at roundstart

be the change you want to see in the world
admins do this occasionally already

Unless I'm reading this wrong, stats show that admins tampered with a genuine extended round only 29 times out 5370 (may be much more but I don't know how stats track game modes). It's still a problem because this means that each time this happened there was someone who thought "Great it's extended! Now I can finally do my autism in peace!" only to get cucked by admins spawning shit.

Extended message already doesn't guarantee that you will be left alone to do whatever project you wish, especially if it's a novelty map (tiding, admin shittery and early shuttle calls increase tenfold on a novelty map). If we really want to add a degree of randomness in extended, I'd rather let traitors buy a a fake announcement than have it only in the hands of badmins and tiders.

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:57 am**

Honestly /tg/ should just play Announced Extended like /vg/ does and go on a $hitter Safari and ban all the people who grief during extended.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:29 am**

Do people actually like extended? I mean I'm sure you like the "I can do my job now without dying" aspect and maybe it allows some to let off steam by having a more peaceful round, but most jobs are designed around antagonists trying to impede your work OR designed around being a bane towards antagonists once you get to a point. What do you do after it's done? brag about being able to complete a project during a round in which no one can harm you?

Idk I just don't really see the lure to not having antagonists when a large majority if not nearly all of the major features of the game are based around having some sort of bad guy on board.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:34 am**

Depends who's in game

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:36 am**

Extended really strikes me as something that should only happen if a admin triggers it.

Extended by itself is boring. The crew have no real end goal to work towards. The station goals are just filler content and most of them can be done by one or two people.

There needs to be some kind of overarching threat to the crew and/or station. Even our worst game modes offer this, extended does not.

A extended game mode where the station is made less livable and more broken may be more viable as it would force the crew to repair and maintain the station, but otherwise I think removing extended would see little complaints.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:44 am**

Not every round has to be hunt the antags, some people want to actually build autism or something for an hour or more. If you don't like the roundtype just hop servers or something, don't go griefing the players that want to enjoy it to end the round faster. Maybe I want to see how many mechs I can build, or if miners can conquer lavaland, or maybe engineers can build a zoo in the middle of the station. If people get bored, they can always build a rage cage or something to fight other players.

I tend to run captain gimmicks more successfully in extended and can usually do something that will make the round an interesting story, which is what rounds should go for.

As I said, admins should treat the game mode like Shitter Safari, punish anyone who's trying to validhunt in a game mode with no valids, and be extra hard on griffins.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:22 pm**

Yeah, it depends on who you're playing with, if it's just 50% greytide pacing around shouting that they're bored and want to call the shuttle or just running around griefing it's just unfun, but if you have departments building up stuff and making constructions or getting to the end of their jobs and trying out stuff, it's fun.

I agree that a good portion of the stuff you can make is usually only useful in combat, which is why the current freeze is a good idea imo.

A good middle ground, in my opinion, would be spawning a wave of powerful external antags (ops, cult, clockcult, idk) from ghosts after 1h or 1h30, so you can build up towards that with your most powergamey gear and defenses, and so you can test out combat-only gear, viruses, etc while also giving a better ic reason to end the round than "we got bored".
War ops is sorta like that, but their timeframe is too short to try out endgame gear, and with the way ops work, it actually guarantees that endgame is never going to be reached due to hard round-end.

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:39 am**

I've had admins send nuke ops at me after particularly long extended rounds, but usually they stealth in and kill me because nobody expects them. Maybe admins could force alert to Blue and play the Antag Announcement if they decide to spawn something. Having an hour-delayed antag round might actually be fun (unless it's a mode like cult where the station will just hulk up and wreck it). Traitors or Buffed Warops might be interesting.

I actually enjoy using Extended to build autism engines like Hellburn Supermatter or Getting a PA Engine Running In An Interesting Location, or my particular favorite, "See How Many Tesla Engines You Can Put In One Containment Before Cargo Stops Funding You More Tesla Engines Because You Wasted All The Points Then Accidentally Release Them Because You Forgot A Critical Component And Destroy The Station With 20 Tesla Engines"

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:53 am**

Extended is great and can be massive fun.
Though I'd like to pull this line from the sillytips file:

Just like real life the entropy of the game can only increase with time. If things aren't on fire yet, just wait.

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:56 am**

Extended has been disabled in the gamemode rotation. Secret Extended has replaced it, inheriting the same odds Extended had.

In other words, we've turned off the Extended Announcement.

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:19 am**

Thank you headmins, a little bit of faith in your office has been restored

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:52 am**

sextended bestended

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:08 pm**

I had fun with the secret extended rounds. It felt like there was actual opportunity to do a project and be rewarded for it. Plus it did weed out a few shitters

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:23 pm**

Admin honeypot

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:24 pm**

Wouldn't the announced one be a better gauge for greyshittery? You can sorta chalk greytide in secret extended to ic conflict from paranoia and suspicion, but when people start breaking stuff and starting fights in announced extended you know for sure they're doing it to grief

Posted: **Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:49 pm**

We should just rename extended to sh1tter Safari.

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