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oranges wrote:can we have a third impeachement? it's kind of fun to watch americans frothing about it

This please

We already knew he wouldn't be convicted of anything, but it was still entertaining

cacogen wrote:

chocolate_bickie wrote:

cacogen wrote:THE GOOD GUYS™ CAN'T STOP #WINNING


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/impeac ... 5WZFOMPLE/
(this not very good paper was the first result so you should find your own preferred source of spin)

If this was DnD Trump would be chaotic evil who maxed charisma.

He's an autistic man with zero self-awareness and no desire to learn. From what I read the democrats and independents all voted to impeach him but didn't have the numbers to get the 2/3 majority needed alone and by being acquitted he has the opportunity to run again in 2024. Which is good, because such a popular potential republican candidate puts pressure on Joe to be less shit by actually making meaningful reforms if he doesn't want to be a one term president. Optimally they both die before then.

Isn't Biden supposed to be a one-term president anyway?

Is he?

I wouldn't say either way, 4 years changes a lot

I mean, considering he was supposed to be a 0-term president...

Grazyn wrote:I mean, considering he was supposed to be a 0-term president...

I-I'M GONNA LET THIS ONE SLIDE

I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?

XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?

Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

^ republican bait

Timonk wrote:^ republican bait

Thanks, very useful.

Timonk wrote:^ republican bait

quit being a buzzkill you fuck

thehogshotgun wrote: hurr durr

Trump lost get over it

Timonk wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote: hurr durr

Trump lost get over it

I'm not a trumper? lmao

thehogshotgun wrote:

XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?

Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

You know our party electing a non moderate would be pretty cool considering you guys always get real conservatives

I mean Sanders ran twice and lost to a moderately likeable guy and an incredibly hated crone.

Granted his failure was more his own fault for refusing to ever go on the offensive even when the party is obviously fucking him.

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:I mean Sanders ran twice and lost to a moderately likeable guy and an incredibly hated crone.

Granted his failure was more his own fault for refusing to ever go on the offensive even when the party is obviously fucking him.

Sanders was fucked because the dems are looking for moderates. A lot of news sources ignored sanders entirely at the request of other news sites and DNC

Sanders focused on issues for young people but young people don't vote, that's what fucked him

actually fair

No way, Sanders failed to get voters because he failed to act proactively.

All of Sanders moves were either basic talking points or purely passive reactions to other campaign's attacks on him.

The dems split his vote this year's primaries, guy doesn't even bother to address the glaring party strategy to screw him over while fucking Trump of all people is commenting on it. Black protestors take his mic on stage, guy just sits there while they take a giant shit on the political campaign of the candidate that actually gives a slight fuck about them. He could have done anything to actually engage with them and make it a huge positive note for his campaign, guy just sits there like a pariah at the school dance, while the two morons just shriek at the audience. I can't think of a single Sanders campaign move other than "Yeah here's my positions", which is less of a move and more of an expectation. Honestly imo it's a great life lesson - guy refused to act to seize the win, basically sat around with the attitude of "if the Americans want me they'll vote for me whatever man" *shrug*.

Unironically, if Sanders were a winner it wouldn't have been close.

You have far too much faith in Bernie supporters lol. Anyways the last thing we need is twice as much debt

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:No way, Sanders failed to get voters because he failed to act proactively.

All of Sanders moves were either basic talking points or purely passive reactions to other campaign's attacks on him.

The dems split his vote this year's primaries, guy doesn't even bother to address the glaring party strategy to screw him over while fucking Trump of all people is commenting on it. Black protestors take his mic on stage, guy just sits there while they take a giant shit on the political campaign of the candidate that actually gives a slight fuck about them. He could have done anything to actually engage with them and make it a huge positive note for his campaign, guy just sits there like a pariah at the school dance, while the two morons just shriek at the audience. I can't think of a single Sanders campaign move other than "Yeah here's my positions", which is less of a move and more of an expectation. Honestly imo it's a great life lesson - guy refused to act to seize the win, basically sat around with the attitude of "if the Americans want me they'll vote for me whatever man" *shrug*.

Unironically, if Sanders were a winner it wouldn't have been close.

I didn't really follow the primaries but I was under the impression Sanders had a pretty radical platform, wasn't it the reason he was called a socialist? Also no attacking your own party isn't a great idea unless you are already the most popular guy in the party (like Trump and the GOP), and people tend to not like whiners who don't have at least a few wins under their belt

Armhulen wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote:

XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?

Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

You know our party electing a non moderate would be pretty cool considering you guys always get real conservatives

I don't like how 'international finance and corporation supporting guy open to warmongering' is the western standard for 'moderate'
But then I guess 80+ years of coups in third world countries to force them to grow bananas/give up their resources and invading sand dunes for oil has worked to keep them in power, so it's clearly working for some of them

XSI wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote:

XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?

Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

You know our party electing a non moderate would be pretty cool considering you guys always get real conservatives

I don't like how 'international finance and corporation supporting guy open to warmongering' is the western standard for 'moderate'
But then I guess 80+ years of coups in third world countries to force them to grow bananas/give up their resources and invading sand dunes for oil has worked to keep them in power, so it's clearly working for some of them

We didn’t invade the Middle East for oil you dumbass, that’s just a populist myth

what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there

Timonk wrote:what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there

5:00

Aka "I try to get more influence over country to gain their resources but they sell them to China instead"

Grazyn wrote:I didn't really follow the primaries but I was under the impression Sanders had a pretty radical platform, wasn't it the reason he was called a socialist?

You misinterpreted my expression "basic talking points", I meant it in that he would only ever say his policies over and over as opposed to his policies being what everyone else was spouting.

Grazyn wrote:Also no attacking your own party isn't a great idea unless you are already the most popular guy in the party (like Trump and the GOP), and people tend to not like whiners who don't have at least a few wins under their belt

This is the sentence actually that tells me you didn't follow the primaries. Trump started in vaguely the same boat as sanders - nonstandard policy talk, mostly political unknown. Trump didn't start "the most popular guy in the party", he 'earned' it after he basically day one WWE threw Jeb Bush (The heir apparent establishment candidate) into a trashcan by pointing out what a spineless human being he was. After that he spent practically the entire primaries with the talking point of "The Establishment dinosaurs all ganging up on me, I'm still gonna win lol".

Sanders problem was that for all intents and purposes he refused to do anything that might be risky to the point of inaction. He'd basically watch his opponents run their campaigns around him and refused to even slightly attack them with the attitude of "my policy is better so obviously I'm going to win". Elections are popularity contests, not "Who creates the best policy" - that happens after you win.

Timonk wrote:Aka "I try to get more influence over country to gain their resources but they sell them to China instead"

Cope anti-war pussyboy

Ooh Yea people getting brutally murdered for money what a great concept

thehogshotgun wrote:You have far too much faith in Bernie supporters lol. Anyways the last thing we need is twice as much debt

you must vote democrat considering recent republican performances then lmao

thehogshotgun wrote:

Timonk wrote:what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there

5:00

>Unironically citing kraut and tea as a source
lmao

actioninja wrote:>Unironically citing kraut and tea as a source
lmao

I decided to see what kind of 'source' it was.

first fucking minute and I'm already thinking "bruh you stupid"

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:No way, Sanders failed to get voters because he failed to act proactively.

All of Sanders moves were either basic talking points or purely passive reactions to other campaign's attacks on him.

The dems split his vote this year's primaries, guy doesn't even bother to address the glaring party strategy to screw him over while fucking Trump of all people is commenting on it. Black protestors take his mic on stage, guy just sits there while they take a giant shit on the political campaign of the candidate that actually gives a slight fuck about them. He could have done anything to actually engage with them and make it a huge positive note for his campaign, guy just sits there like a pariah at the school dance, while the two morons just shriek at the audience. I can't think of a single Sanders campaign move other than "Yeah here's my positions", which is less of a move and more of an expectation. Honestly imo it's a great life lesson - guy refused to act to seize the win, basically sat around with the attitude of "if the Americans want me they'll vote for me whatever man" *shrug*.

Unironically, if Sanders were a winner it wouldn't have been close.

I'm reading you say he didn't act proactively and hearing that he was spineless like Jeb! and lacked the people skills necessary to win people over. It's a shame because the meme at least is he had great policies and a great track record.

cacogen wrote:I'm reading you say he didn't act proactively and hearing that he was spineless like Jeb! and lacked the people skills necessary to win people over. It's a shame because the meme at least is he had great policies and a great track record.

Totally - he's a solid guy all around, at absolute worst I might think his understanding of economics and resource management might be a bit off he at least appears to genuinely want to make life better for everyone.

I wouldn't totally say Bernie was spineless in the way that Jeb! would just roll over like a dog if you shouted something mean at him. It's just his strategy was more or less "yep good policies good track record that's it I'm done voters will come to me". I wouldn't even say he really lacked people skills. He just refused to make moves and get the voters. The only time he'd refer to other candidates at all was either "DONALD J TRUMP!!!" or if he's being defensive when the other democrats would poke at him.

By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.

By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.

AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention

Timonk wrote:what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there

Long story short, we tricked America into thinking Saddam was making WMDs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

thehogshotgun wrote:

By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.

AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention

Got some examples of idiot bills that show she doesn't know anything?

AOC is incredibly entertaining to someone like me who doesn't have to be bothered by her attempts at doing government things
She seems to be insane, and at the same time they accuse others of insane shit

Also of course the Iraq thing wasn't literally to go get oil. It was a combination of factors including a show of force to make oil-producing countries sell in dollars for the petrodollar(Look at Libya too), destabilizing the region so there is less resistance to Israel's shit, and keeping the military equipment manufacturing in business by ensuring a demand for their goods.
"For the oil" is just a reference to the petrodollar, which allows the US a much greater international power projection and helps the US currency so long as enough of the world's oil supply is sold only in dollars

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote:

By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.

AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention

Got some examples of idiot bills that show she doesn't know anything?

Her “A just society” is built on faulty data and has many issues, but the one that I mainly know of is her suggestions of up to 70, 80% tax rates for the rich, due to America having such rates for a long time, ignoring the fact that the tax codes in that era had a ton of tax breaks and exceptions, something most tax historians would tell you. Of course AOC doesn’t care because she believes in eat the rich

so you vote democrat right because you're about budget responsibility?

thehogshotgun wrote:

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote:

By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.

AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention

Got some examples of idiot bills that show she doesn't know anything?

Her “A just society” is built on faulty data and has many issues, but the one that I mainly know of is her suggestions of up to 70, 80% tax rates for the rich, due to America having such rates for a long time, ignoring the fact that the tax codes in that era had a ton of tax breaks and exceptions, something most tax historians would tell you. Of course AOC doesn’t care because she believes in eat the rich

you're just making this up entirely cause you dont like women

oranges wrote:so you vote democrat right because you're about budget responsibility?

You're talking to the people who vote Ted Cruz and company every senate election

Armhulen wrote:

oranges wrote:so you vote democrat right because you're about budget responsibility?

You're talking to the people who vote Ted Cruz and company every senate election

god these people are going to vote for ted cruz in 2024 and they have the fucking gall to continue showing their face in public

IkeTG wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote:

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote:

By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.

AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention

Got some examples of idiot bills that show she doesn't know anything?

Her “A just society” is built on faulty data and has many issues, but the one that I mainly know of is her suggestions of up to 70, 80% tax rates for the rich, due to America having such rates for a long time, ignoring the fact that the tax codes in that era had a ton of tax breaks and exceptions, something most tax historians would tell you. Of course AOC doesn’t care because she believes in eat the rich

you're just making this up entirely cause you dont like women

oranges wrote:so you vote democrat right because you're about budget responsibility?

I just don’t vote retard. Waiting for a good libertarian candidate

Man honestly voting yellow is a legit waste of time don't bother.

Its not like in Australia where the third party will actually get a seat or two.

Grazyn wrote:

Timonk wrote:what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there

Long story short, we tricked America into thinking Saddam was making WMDs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

why tho

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:I do not acknowledge the superiority of deontological ethics.

cringe

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Man honestly voting yellow is a legit waste of time don't bother.

Its not like in Australia where the third party will actually get a seat or two.

One day, one fucking day my friend. There are a lot of libertarians out there, we just need libertarian unity.

XSI wrote: Also of course the Iraq thing wasn't literally to go get oil.

[...]
It was a combination of to make oil-producing countries sell in dollars for the petrodollar(Look at Libya too),

[...]
"For the oil" is just a reference to the petrodollar, which allows the US a much greater international power projection and helps the US currency so long as enough of the world's oil supply is sold only in dollars

Do you even read the shit you type? They did the Iraq thing not for the oil but for them to sell oil to the US, which inevitably leads to them getting oil? Are you saying they were in it for the oil after all?

thehogshotgun wrote:I just don’t vote retard. Waiting for a good libertarian candidate

rich calling me a retard then lmao

oranges wrote:

thehogshotgun wrote:I just don’t vote retard. Waiting for a good libertarian candidate

rich calling me a retard then lmao

bitch you still got a Christmas pfp in fucking febuary you are retarded

Timonk wrote:

XSI wrote: Also of course the Iraq thing wasn't literally to go get oil.

[...]
It was a combination of to make oil-producing countries sell in dollars for the petrodollar(Look at Libya too),

[...]
"For the oil" is just a reference to the petrodollar, which allows the US a much greater international power projection and helps the US currency so long as enough of the world's oil supply is sold only in dollars

Do you even read the shit you type? They did the Iraq thing not for the oil but for them to sell oil to the US, which inevitably leads to them getting oil? Are you saying they were in it for the oil after all?

The oil being sold to any country in US dollar is about power. The oil itself is not the issue. If they sold oil to China but forced China to pay in dollars then that would have worked too, that is what the petrodollar stuff is about. The US doesn't need middle eastern oil, it has plenty. But it does need the economic power from having it sold in dollars