cataclysm dark days ahead- You just cant win

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:09 pm #329990

Bottom post of the previous page:

Install Coolthulu's mod for better ranged weapon aiming algorithms that are less retarded, and the option to disable needing painkillers to install CMBs

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:29 pm #331253

What flavour of "less retarded" are you talking about?

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:56 pm #331256

Less retarded as in

"A trained police sniper with a moderate degree of skill (6-8) can realiably hit a man sized target from farther than 6 meters away". Without this tweak guns are basically about as ranged as the Awl pike untill your skill is above 10

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:32 am #331406

in fairness the awl pike is /the shit/.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:02 am #331445

Yes but one would expect a firearm to have a greater effective range than a spear.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:58 am #331488

Does anyone else set spider basements on fire at first sight?

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:10 pm #331534

Nah man, they have really good loot tables. You can find good guns, plutonium cells and ever power armor in them. Not to mention you can powder spider eggs for a really good non perishable food source

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:34 pm #331540

But the spiders.

I set them on fire and then come down after everything burns away to collect the eggs.

Super Aggro Crag · Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:44 pm

I hate webs it makes it hard to search. I make turrents and traps around the staircase then lead the spiders up and plink them with my sling shot o'death until they asplode. Then I eat their meat and make their chitin into pants

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:46 pm #331546

Reminder to always eat zombie meat

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:01 pm #331553

Doesn't the fire destroy the eggsacks?

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:12 pm #331562

No.

Not that I've seen.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:32 pm #331568

Neat, I'll have to try it

I am at a point in my current game where I am pretty self sufficient and have mid-late game gear, heavy survivor armor, wakazashi with the book of five rings art, plus a laser rifle mounted on my armoured solar hippy van, but due to the fact that only three labs have generated in like four overmap tiles and two had CDV machines i have not been able to get really late game gear

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:13 pm #331580

Break banks.

You'll need either a very high Computers skill or an acetylene torch (I recommend the second) and a stethoscope. Find the metal doors leading to the vault, cut through them with the torch, and then examine the safes to be offered a chance to crack them. The safes can contain power armor, UPS's, plutonium cells, and potentially what I find to be the best armor in the game, RivTech flexible power armor (I forget the actual name.) It provides the same benefits as normal power armor, but is light enough that it can be safely worn while depowered (Just turn it on when you get into a fight), provides protection from water, electricity, etc- but the big selling point is that you don't have to be naked under it like you do with normal power armor. You can wear a bunch of heavy leather stuff under it and stack your armor values way high.

In my current game I haven't been able to find an intro construction book, so I can't make turrets, but I've got Melee 14/Cutting weapons 9 and Rising Sun (a katana crafted with a flamethrower).

Deitus · Post by **Deitus** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:15 pm #331646

so if i were to go to the site and download the latest version right now, what mods should i definitely get/suggest i get? aside from the one removing dildos and fursuits and shit.

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:16 pm #331647

is it still nearly impossible to get started, especially on the mode where you have everything coming at you and not just normal zombies

I know that's partially the point, so I'm not saying that would make or break the game, I'm just curious if they've tweaked it at all

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:31 pm #331658

I mean the game hasn't really gotten any easier if that's what you mean, but i think you just need to get familiar with what works and what doesn't. I occasionally still die on new files but i am at a point now where i need to actively handicap myself with bad starts to get a real challenge anymore. If you are looking to get back in to it i bet we could help you out

@Deitus i can't imagine why vibrators and fursuits would trigger you that much but more power to you if you wanna take them out. As is they are pretty rare. My only real problem with fursuits is that their item icon with the Chesthole tileset makes them look like an actual standing person and gives me a spook sometimes when i run into one unexpectedly. As to other mods, the only mod i can think of that doesn't come bundled in the base game is Coothulu's mod, which as i said earlier tweaks aiming to be better and has an optional to remove the need for painkillers when installing CMBs.

@Drynwyn i think bank vaults have had their loot nerfed recently. On my current file I have raided 5-6 bank vaults and the only worthwhile loot i have found has been two time dilation CMBs, the safes are usually empty and occasionally have a money bundle in them. This is with baseline item drop rates

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:34 pm #331661

The vibrators can be "used" for a morale boost, can't they?
I know they leave the description vague as to whether it's a in-the-hole kind of vibrator or a back massager.

Also this: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclys ... sues/14833

The fact that it takes 20 minutes to use though tells us which it is :^)

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:37 pm #331664

No you (a)ctivate them to give yourself a massage and relieve some tension (bussa nut) for a pretty huge morale boost that wears off sorta fast. I never bothered with them, even post nerf MP3 players are good enough for morale management unless you are massacring peaceful NPCs without the psychopath trait

Deitus · Post by **Deitus** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:16 pm #331682

ill just try jumping in feet first then

ill probably come here often to ask stupidly obvious questions

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:01 pm #331711

>Removing fursuits

That stuff will keep you warm in winter

Super Aggro Crag · Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:44 pm

Drynwyn wrote:Break banks.

You'll need either a very high Computers skill or an acetylene torch (I recommend the second) and a stethoscope. Find the metal doors leading to the vault, cut through them with the torch, and then examine the safes to be offered a chance to crack them. The safes can contain power armor, UPS's, plutonium cells, and potentially what I find to be the best armor in the game, RivTech flexible power armor (I forget the actual name.) It provides the same benefits as normal power armor, but is light enough that it can be safely worn while depowered (Just turn it on when you get into a fight), provides protection from water, electricity, etc- but the big selling point is that you don't have to be naked under it like you do with normal power armor. You can wear a bunch of heavy leather stuff under it and stack your armor values way high.

In my current game I haven't been able to find an intro construction book, so I can't make turrets, but I've got Melee 14/Cutting weapons 9 and Rising Sun (a katana crafted with a flamethrower).

>rivet made super power armor without the drawbacks of regular armor

God what a faggot.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:55 pm #331771

They removed the construction skill also. Good choice imo

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:07 am #331776

I've been playing on the stable, not the experimental. Should really try the experimental.

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:15 am #331803

Drynwyn wrote:I've been playing on the stable, not the experimental. Should really try the experimental.

def should man it's not even like the same game

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:43 am #331822

Yeah not even close. It's insane. The game gets 4ish updates a day in all the years since the stable release

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:36 am #331849

it's another "let's just ignore the stable branch for literal years and then make a big deal out of stable releases before they become horribly outdated 3 days later" episode

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:43 am #331856

Yeah i dunno Kevin has some strange ideas, not sure why the fuck we dont have a new stable yet but the experimental doesnt ever crash for me or anything like that

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:32 am

I like crafting weapons and armor.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:03 pm #331942

Me too. Heavy survivor armor is really awesome, you mostly only have to worry about acid when you have it on. Apparently you can layer it with a survivor wetsuit to be acid immune as well but it adds a shitload of encumbrance to do so

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:16 pm #332050

I'm trying a playthrough on the experimental build. Starting as Traceuse (dodging 4, parkour expert) profession and pumping a bunch of points into Dodging, Parkour Expert, and Fleet-Footed. I started with dodging 9.

It's working pretty well so far!!!! "Nothing can actually hit me" is a pretty effective means of survival. (But fuck shocker zombies.)

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:35 pm #332060

Shocker zombies are the devil's punishment to man

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:47 pm #332066

Wyzack wrote:Yeah i dunno Kevin has some strange ideas, not sure why the fuck we dont have a new stable yet but the experimental doesnt ever crash for me or anything like that

0.D is supposed to be coming out soon, you can look on their github to track the progress

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/2

most of the issues on there are already fixed by mods, others are horridly simple like fixing a spriting error.

i don't think it'll be any more stable than any more of the experimental branches, but it'll at least demonstrate some form of continuity between stable branches

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:55 pm #332069

Shocker zombies fucking suck but a wooden hafted weapon such as a baseball bat or a woodcutting axe is a godsend in taking care of them early game

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:59 pm #332103

I've just been playing "run away very fast". Working for me so far.

Also, drank a vial of mutagen from a helicopter on a lark (since I took Robust Genetics) and it bumped my Night Vision two levels up to Full Night Vision.

Praise RNGesus.

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:57 pm

Too bad there are no dragons in this game.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:28 am #332389

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Too bad there are no dragons in this game.

Man, if only they had a firebreathing mutation.

I wanna FYIAD some zombies.

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:47 pm

Do they have multi z level maps yet, and if so are you able to use your wing mutations to fly onto roofs? What about a jet pack? What about using a grapple hook to get up there? If not, wasted potential imo.

Demonforen, I think dragons are cool.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:07 pm #332448

They do have multi Z buildings and stuff, as well as experimental Z levels that simulate all Z levels around you. This however is still really buggy and in places with lots of underground enemies like the vault towns it is entirely unplayable due to massive lag. Also there was a thing about enemies below you being able to fucking shoot you through the floor, but i dunno they might have fixed it. I don't know how flying works with Z levels, i don't mess with mutagens much

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:29 pm #332450

Pretty sure they fixed shooting through the floor.

It's always fun setting the basement on fire and going upstairs to a burning building.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:35 pm #332453

Have you ever done it with a blob pit? They are extremely flammable, its awesome

Deitus · Post by **Deitus** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:09 pm #332463

How the fuck do you craft a water bottle

I have the plastic chunks but I don't see it on the crafting screen

Also beginner tips are welcome please

Also also fuck turrets spawning right outside my shelter

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:33 pm #332479

You probably need a solidering iron or some kind of heatsource nearby. Your crafting skills also might not be high enough. Assuming you are on the experimental build you can search your crafting recipies for "bottle" and it should tell you what you need. If nothing comes up it means you don't know how to make it. Plastic bottles are pretty abundant though, i think you can even find them foraging in the underbrush sometimes.

As for beginner tips, always try to fight as few enemies concurrently as possible. Lure them into doorways or even better, window frames or other rough terrain like bushes. If the terrain is difficult they will move onto it very slowly and give you free hits. Manage your encumbrance if you are having difficulty hitting things. Avoid acid and shocker zombies always, avoid skelleton enemies if your skills are low. If you need to raid cities do it at night, always take the night vision perk on chargen if possible for this reason. Always run when faced with a horde. speaking of hordes, find a decent base and horde everything you find, especially medicine and books. Don't be afraid to pop hard drugs like meth or cocaine if you are in a pinch, being sick from addiction is better than being dead. Level tailoring, but not by trying to repair your own stuff.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:01 pm #332527

If a turret spawned outside your shelter, run out to within range of it, let it kill you, press Y to see your last moments, and idle for a bit.

Turrets have limited ammo, and it'll keep shooting your body.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:19 pm #332534

Gonna keep rattling off newbie tips since Qbop said he was having some difficulty starting off as well.

Boil all questionable water from ponds, lakes and toilets before you drink it as it can easily make you sick. Water from pumps at farmhouses and collected rainwater for whatever reason seems to be safe even though it is not labelled as "clean" water, i have drank shitloads of both and never gotten ill from it. Never forgo non-perishable staple foods like rice, oatmeal, dried beans and powdered eggs, they are the best way to keep yourself fed once you are a bit established and your canned goods start to run out. Vitamins are everywhere, pop a few every day to keep your invisible "health" stat up. This has several benefits, the most important of which is that is makes you less likely to catch a random cold

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:20 pm #332536

Oh also never neglect to check zombie corpses for items, even the basic zeds can sometimes have 9mm bullets or even the mythical toolbox

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:21 pm #332537

>can't just eat your motherfucking greens
>have to pop vitamins instead
very american game

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:23 pm #332539

Eating nutritious food also does this, but they stack

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:24 pm #332542

actually imagine
if diseases in spessmens were much more common but vitamin buffed your resistance
might actually make the chef useful

Deitus · Post by **Deitus** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:28 pm #332544

DemonFiren wrote:actually imagine
if diseases in spessmens were much more common but vitamin buffed your resistance
might actually make the chef useful

That's... actually a really good idea.

Leagues better than GOOF KITCHEN (TM) anyway

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:03 pm #332708

I always turn off nutritious food, literally the worst feature imho