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Take a hint from my AI Core's design.

The AI Core proper should at least be 2 R-Walls strong on all corners. Also be sure to test the firing ranges of the turrets so they don't accidentaly hit the AI, there's a problem on Box where if someone is standing in a certain area the Turrets will hit the AI instead, which can be surprising if you left the turrets on lethal setting.

the screenshot is outdated. the walls have always been 2 r-walls thick, i just didnt feel like getting online to do a new screenshot.

alright, dumped old design once again

There's a lot of blank spaces (like the entire area around the bridge).

its space

I like that last layout a lot. Please don't scrap that one.

E: And by that I mean the one you posted two posts above.

construction is finished, as well as area since i decided to just do that as i made the map. time for the horrible parts!

screenshot added

Hard to tell what white space is, hallways or space?

both

also sorry tokiko, but this map is basically an in-between stage. in no way is the eventually finished gripstation going to resemble this.

Would bother SoS to run it on the main servers/10

Cargo looks especially cool with that layout. The whole thing gives me serious Efficiencystation vibes, for some reason. Also older design vibes, the way things are just a bit more compact all around. One thing I will note, though, is the gravgen was moved away from Engienering on Sibyl fast for a very good reason. Losing gravity tends to suck for most players, it was critically vulnerable to bombing... and a loose singulo had an even or better chance at eating it.

Artyom didn't have this problem as much because that would require something to ever happen on Artyom.

Hibbles wrote:Would bother SoS to run it on the main servers/10

Cargo looks especially cool with that layout. The whole thing gives me serious Efficiencystation vibes, for some reason. Also older design vibes, the way things are just a bit more compact all around. One thing I will note, though, is the gravgen was moved away from Engienering on Sibyl fast for a very good reason. Losing gravity tends to suck for most players, it was critically vulnerable to bombing... and a loose singulo had an even or better chance at eating it.

Artyom didn't have this problem as much because that would require something to ever happen on Artyom.

idk where i would move the grav gen that would be a secure location. i would move it though. also it probably gives efficiency station vibes because i used efficiency for reference in a lot of places, but i also used meta, tg1.0, and tg2.0 just as much.

the screenshot posted is already damn outdated because ive completely filled maint and added maint doors and gotten some places powered finally. ill put the new screenshot when im home.

edit: http://puu.sh/b2mpf/2fd04ebd67.png

Takes maintenance to a whole new level of random, complex jumble.
To me:
-The Security layout is weird
-Likewise those dorms just kinda stuck in there are bland and uninspired, should be swapped with the maint next to primary tool storage or something.
-The Centrality of Command is rather impressively done. It makes it a focal point in a way Box and Meta fail to, in both those maps it is more a large hindering block in the middle of everything.
-Small addition: The chapel's front walls should be made into windows.
-that random maintenance area above security and dorms seems uninspired, but the gibber is a huge tool.
-Speaking of which the nearest access to that maint area is all the way at medbay. Maintenance is large and stuff but that seems tediously circuitous.
-Surgery and the morgue really need to be separated. That's just depressing.
-While the ruined mech isn't really useful, it seems a bit ostentatious for the ruined maint. Too high-key.
-The only windows in perma (read: escape routes for daring prisoners/entrance routes for rescuers) are through the hydroponics trays, which need a wrench to move.

Note that while I've been highlighting flaws and lowpoints, it really is a good map and there's a lot to respect. I see still those roots in Meta and Box, a couple similar layouts, but that's hardly a bad thing at many times. Certain areas seem very inspired, however the Captain's quarters and the HoP's quarters are bland and uninspired - in need of touching up. In addition, Security doesn't really feel like Security - the floors are all standard tileset, and the flash/sunglasses/cuffs should in no way be in the same room as the cell block exits.

So the biggest things to work on, in my opinion, are security/dorms and the fact that that huge unique med area of maintenance is ultimately a linear route just going deeper and more tediously circuitous.

Edit: Of course the new screenshot you inb4'ed me with solved a lot of those Security issues, but the table with important stuff lying around and the perma setup are still present issues.

I like it, but it's really just a different looking Box to me.

Time to replace Box.

I love it very much.

There's two things that bother me though:

First, virology has 3 maint doors leading to it. You should probably only leave the one connecting to the backroom.
Second, the medbay counter looks really cramped, maybe move it out like box has it?

i've fixed virology, and i'll look into making desk bigger.

You should probably make the enterance area for the tube to the AI sat a little bit bigger, just make it one or two tiles wider. I'd also recommend placing at least one camera on the inside but there's probably a reason you didn't place a camera there.

sorry to say, this map is dead. im currently thinking up something all new, and you of everyone should know that the best

screenshots

I like the restrooms, a nice quiet place to do villainous things. Very important in a map layout to have those.

keep it up mang

central plaza/garden thing?
most of cargo (i like it a lot!)
before i post screenshots, the bridge and security are both property of wjohnston. i added the eff2 birdge and eff 3 security at HIS ADVICE with HIS PERMISSION

Looks awesome! You're almost there, man. Keep going!

A few things of note:

The science restroom should be flipped upside down, so that you don't have that problem with sinks.
The flowers in the central hub will default to ugly no-flower shrubs, ask a coder to fix this!
You've still got a lot of tile coloring to do with every department, though I know you plan to do this at a later date.


Great work so far, I look forward to playing on this map!

>cap spare ID 1 r-wall from hallway access
>c4 costs 1tc
>1tc for all access when there's no cap

Also all departmental security outposts need to be connected to the main lobbies of their respective departments to watch for breakins and looters.

on box the only difference is a single windoor that can be easily broken with a wrench. i dont see the problem.
as for sec, my mistake.

lookin good so far, keep it up bud.

Respect for that bridge WJohnston.

Updated full map?

made this for fun, unrelated to map

that looks really neat

allura wrote:
made this for fun, unrelated to map

Isn't that just Cogstation? The one the Goons are running?

E: Escape along the bottom, overall C-shape, engineering above Escape, that bit of space/maint in the center, the mass drivers around the edges for rapid-transit, the fucking garden, this is goonstation you fuck

You can even see the delivery systems in space, those free-standing structures.

no shit its cogmap. i made it for fun, it took like a week

I think the disposal system on box should run out into space a bit. Makes travelling down disposals more dangerous because you might get jettisoned into space should an antag cut a hole in a pipe.

paprika wrote:I think the disposal system on box should run out into space a bit. Makes travelling down disposals more dangerous because you might get jettisoned into space should an antag cut a hole in a pipe.

that's certainly an interesting concept, however, it makes modification of disposals more difficult. restricting disposals as well as atmos to maintenance is usually the best way to go about it.
why not just do what bay does and make disposals damage you as you travel through them?

That used to be the case but we removed it.

i dont really think there should be more downsides to traveling disposals
you already end up in the mail room which either leads to security coming and fucking you up if youre being chased, or being stuck in the mail room for like 5 minutes because nobody wants to help you

you can climb the table to lead now, since there's no windoors or anything

everything there is good except there's too much room in the back of botany that could be used for extra space in the main room
you could also try moving all the machinery to the top and having a long line of trays vertically

Wow, good to see this isn't dead. Hopefully getting it up to speed with a few months of tg code updates isn't too much of a nightmare.

Looks good see you in a year

Culdesac is real, don't' believe the box illuminati

Box virology is perfect and will never ever change

You can't really make viro better than it is on box/meta

>Windows in toxin storage
>Non reinforced walls
>LITERALLY CONNECTED TO THE RD'S OFFICE

The map is shit just because of this