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I'm an Atheist. I hate the idea of a God, and believe that men themselves are the superior being. We have created civilization, language, writing, technology, and have dominated almost every species known.A man is god to all it creates and destroys.I have a bit of trobule since i don't have any religious books near myself, but i'll try to get a quote in English. It's actually something i thought about before (God forgives, but if you die without telling some priest what you did, you fuckd) and i took it as just another hole in Christian beliefs. Also, you know, there might be a reason why all kinds of protestants exist.Maccus wrote:doubts
Kinda similar, while I really dislike some beliefs, stuff that Bible tells me, I really like how Christianity shaped (Polans) historyAntonkr wrote:tradiiitiooon
Humanity FUCK YEAH!Rumpelstiltskin3 wrote:I'm an Atheist. I hate the idea of a God, and believe that men themselves are the superior being. We have created civilization, language, writing, technology, and have dominated almost every species known.A man is god to all it creates and destroys.
*Greentexting out of 4chan*Violaceus wrote:>"Atheist"
>more like "atheist"
Well, if we want to hit the real deep ends of philosophical discussion then technically you can only prove that you exist, in the words of Rene Descartes 'I think therefore I am'. Remember, philosophy and religion are still different, the only religion that is inherently a philosophy is Buddhism I believe. AS you said for your first part it is your opinion, I can't really argue with an opinion as you just think this is what the Lord/prophet meant. As for the very last part the answer is very simple, you want wealth because you are human, you feel anger because you are human, you take life seriously because you are human and you maintain some sort of ego because you are..... you guessed it human. Since you are thinking right now, you can prove that you are human.kosmos wrote:I mean the way people talk about things.Snake2512 wrote:I'm not too sure what you mean by your first sentence, but it simply sounds to me like a cultural thing/saying.kosmos wrote:It's weird how most Christians have heard "god is everywhere" and "heaven is within you", but still talk about "going" to heaven after they die, and god "watching" you, pointing upwards, etc.
The easiest way (and a very popular way) to understand heaven and hell is that they're "some places located somewhere", but (I had to look it up) Jesus himself said that kingdom of God is within you. I think this should be taken very literally, they're inside our mind.
In my opinion the words can be changed from heaven --> enlightenment and hell --> suffering. They're right here, right now. Your choice. If you're not satisfied about your current situation, you're in hell. If you're truly content about your situation, you're enlightened. And suddenly this becomes something very similar to Buddhism. But this is just my view on this, to make sense out of a prophet's words.
How is this all of a sudden some incomprehensible spirituality and not similar to religions? These are the simplest observations of our existence, I'm quite sure you can at least partly relate.Snake2512 wrote:Those are the words of a certain philosopher I can't remember the name of, so it can't really relate to spirituality if that makes sense.kosmos wrote:I think most of the biggest things you can learn from life can be learned from the simplest facts: I will die. All of this is temporary, this keyboard and this screen are slowly rusting etc.
And sure, some philosopher must've said that sometime, but the point was that anyone of us can see these facts: No one has lived forever, everything slowly breaks if given enough time, death of my body is extremely certain, losing all my wealth, property and stuff.
What can I make of these simple things? Well, why hoard money to myself if I'm going to lose it? Why be angry at someone if we're both going to be dead very soon (in a wide perspective)? Should I take things seriously? Why hold up an ego?
And God created man, to think we are the be all and end all is a very shallow thought. If we want to look at the history of Earth and the universe we are very insignificant.Rumpelstiltskin3 wrote:I'm an Atheist. I hate the idea of a God, and believe that men themselves are the superior being. We have created civilization, language, writing, technology, and have dominated almost every species known.A man is god to all it creates and destroys.
I'm of the opinion that morality is not innate or absolute. I'm sure there have been societies in human history that have decided murder is a-ok and truly believed that, and not lasted very long. A civilization flourishes when it isn't killing the people who make it up or withholding all resources from those who can or do contribute to it. For whatever the source of today's dominant religions and faiths code of altruism and compassion, it's their ethical code that has allowed for civilization to develop. It's "memetic selection" as much as genetic. We are at our point today where we can say killing a person is bad because that idea has kept us going as a civilization and culture for so long.ColonicAcid wrote:I don't understand people who say that "it's not really that I believe in god its just that without religion we would be a barbaric species."
Uh? Okay?
So every human doesn't have the self control and the moral right and wrong to know that maybe killing a person is bad not because the big fairy in the sky is going to send him to eternal damnation but because yknow, it's not a good thing to do? As I've said before in this thread, gott is tot. There is no need for a god as a central figure for moral rights because we have a centralised court system. We know that if we kill that person we will go to prison and prison is bad. I'm not being le fedora tipper here since idgaf if you follow a god but saying that we humans at this current day and age require a god is pretty dumbfounded.
I don't know what the technicality here is, but in my opinion: we don't know anything, we can't know anything, we can't prove anything. Religion and philosophy are both a way to look at the world, so I see them inseparable.Snake2512 wrote:Well, if we want to hit the real deep ends of philosophical discussion then technically you can only prove that you exist, in the words of Rene Descartes 'I think therefore I am'. Remember, philosophy and religion are still different, the only religion that is inherently a philosophy is Buddhism I believe. AS you said for your first part it is your opinion, I can't really argue with an opinion as you just think this is what the Lord/prophet meant. As for the very last part the answer is very simple, you want wealth because you are human, you feel anger because you are human, you take life seriously because you are human and you maintain some sort of ego because you are..... you guessed it human. Since you are thinking right now, you can prove that you are human.
Rumpelstiltskin3 wrote:*Greentexting out of 4chan*Violaceus wrote:>"Atheist"
>more like "atheist"
Someone got a lump of coal for Christmas.miggles wrote:snip
nice mememiggles wrote:ateism
