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FREE is my favourite buzzword in coding feedback threads, and ironically was used by the OP to refer to one of the only things in his post that costs points.I think by free irremovable jetpacks he meant the Angel Wings.Kor wrote:FREE is my favourite buzzword in coding feedback threads, and ironically was used by the OP to refer to one of the only things in his post that costs points.
>Be a miner with high armor stats, insta-heal pens, and a fucking recharging taser.Bombadil wrote:I think by free irremovable jetpacks he meant the Angel Wings.Kor wrote:FREE is my favourite buzzword in coding feedback threads, and ironically was used by the OP to refer to one of the only things in his post that costs points.
But regardless it's funny this thread was started because he got cucked BY ME. When i stabbed myself with a pen right before i got knocked out in a welder explosion and he beat me into crit. Then 30-45 seconds later I got concious and screamed I was going to be cremated. It was fucking glorious sec descended upon him like flies and he got cremated himself.
The amount of poorly contained salt in this post is pretty glorious, yescalzilla1 wrote:>Be a miner with high armor stats, insta-heal pens, and a fucking recharging taser.Bombadil wrote:I think by free irremovable jetpacks he meant the Angel Wings.Kor wrote:FREE is my favourite buzzword in coding feedback threads, and ironically was used by the OP to refer to one of the only things in his post that costs points.
But regardless it's funny this thread was started because he got cucked BY ME. When i stabbed myself with a pen right before i got knocked out in a welder explosion and he beat me into crit. Then 30-45 seconds later I got concious and screamed I was going to be cremated. It was fucking glorious sec descended upon him like flies and he got cremated himself.
>Get robusted by some spear-wielding greyshirt
>Only get retribution by the rest of the staff (I totally had that ligger sec tbh)
>"Glorious"
Lmao
I only made this thread when it hit me while updating the shaft miner wiki loser.
Sweets wrote:Thats the joke. Pens are not instant heals. They heal per tick.
Might as well be
And lol at the banana staff. Not only do you have to find the ruin, it may have not even spawned.
Are you pretending to be retarded?
legion is good for saving your assShadowDimentio wrote:Now that I think about it aren't legion preservation vials cheaper than survival medipens and actually instant?
Also great for curing diseases or fixing hunger. But they dont give you antibodies. I used one to save the captain from fungal tb once.SpaceInaba wrote:legion is good for saving your assShadowDimentio wrote:Now that I think about it aren't legion preservation vials cheaper than survival medipens and actually instant?
survival is good for a constant fight as you'll heal quickly from the damage you're taking
All he had to do was finish me. Fuck anyone with a bicard pill could of done the same thing.Kor wrote:>miners are immortal
>I beat a miner by pushing him over but then didnt finish him off
good thread
I'm not sure how this is relevant? Are you saying miners don't work?Davidchan wrote:Didn't firing pins get implemented because people were tired of RnD making guns after 30 minutes of little to no work?
YES! Balance talks are full of plebs who only see black and white and spout trite phrases like "FREE".Kor wrote:FREE is my favourite buzzword in coding feedback threads, and ironically was used by the OP to refer to one of the only things in his post that costs points.
Now that's what I'm talking about! (not disagreeing on marauders but hey)Kor post 2 days earlier wrote:Marauders and blood cult constructs cost basically nothing
1) Faithless ruin hasn't spawned in lavaland since like... a year ago? Fuck it's been awhile. The only way to get a nukeop suit is a very rare rnadom drop from legions.Oldman Robustin wrote:There's a lot I really don't like about Lavaland but this thread attacks it in about the dumbest way possible.
The real issue is that miners are basically playing their own rudimentary PvE game and once you put in the hours necessary to memorize allllll the attack patterns and little tricks then you get to become a demi-god that comes back to station and uses a bunch of wizard-tier relics to dunk on antags/sec. At least with other "do your own thing for a while, become a god" roles like genetics or xenobio you're on station and vulnerable to all kinds of counterplay. There's no realistic answer to stopping a miner from getting a bunch of OP shit.
Kor's defense of "oh its not that common" is really only a half-defense. Its a purely pragmatic argument, every round involves miners having some degree of fun, but few rounds involve miners shitting on everyone else ergo mining is fine. There are plenty of ruins and mechanics that are largely indefensible from a gameplay perspective. Having nukeop gear just sitting outside the faithless ruin for free is silly. Giving a powerful antag role to someone for eating junk food thats already been left out on the floor is terrible. Minebot armadas just for doing your job are just inexplicable (it wouldn't be bad if they were more limited to mining tasks). The list goes on. While powerful megafauna gear is a fair reward for more novice miners who must risk life and limb confronting a novel enemy, that justification rings hollow when you turn to the club of fauna-farmers who have memorized all the risks, all the attack patterns, and unless there's a lag spike they face less risk fighting a megafauna than a typical crewmember does just walking down the hall.
The discussion needs to be a nuanced one of how we can improve megafauna design, how we can fix the badly designed ruins, how we can prevent minebot validhunting, etc. not just "FUCKIN MINERS OP NERF NAO".
Quicklist of easy fixes that I came up with in 2 minutes:
1) Remove nukeop hardsuit gear from outside of faithless ruin
2) Remove gluttony ruin or make it far more complex/difficult to "solve"
3) Make minebot KA refuse to fire in high-pressure without being emagged, make minebot drill less damaging
4) Add a megafauna defense mechanic that strongly encourages multiple attackers. Currently my sense is that MF is best solo'd because a 2nd or 3rd participant results in target swapping which makes the attacks much less predictable and makes them harder to hit since its easy to hit MF chasing YOU but when its target is moving around unpredictably and away from you, good luck. Just shooting from the hip: Make all MF have higher (like 50%) resistance to attacks on Lavaland (the mechanic could disappear if they come to station) unless they have been hit by a "marked crusher" attack. Drop the MF health to compensate (-20% maybe). Now MF are suddenly much more team-oriented and it would no longer be optimal to solo them. Tweaks might be necessary but it would invariably be an improvement from "Lone miner runs off with Advanced PC's 5 minutes into the round and comes back dripping in wizard gear".
They could print firing range pins that will work outside the firing range if emaggedDavidchan wrote:Didn't firing pins get implemented because people were tired of RnD making guns after 30 minutes of little to no work?
1: The Blood Red Hardsuit ISN'T found outside the Faithless. That ruin was removed ages ago. The Blood Red Redsuit is the slimmest chance legion host. There is no big ass sign telling you "SUIT HERE" It's just found randomly on a legion. Not often do you find that ONE legion, since there is only one that spawns with the suit.Oldman Robustin wrote:There's a lot I really don't like about Lavaland but this thread attacks it in about the dumbest way possible.
The real issue is that miners are basically playing their own rudimentary PvE game and once you put in the hours necessary to memorize allllll the attack patterns and little tricks then you get to become a demi-god that comes back to station and uses a bunch of wizard-tier relics to dunk on antags/sec. At least with other "do your own thing for a while, become a god" roles like genetics or xenobio you're on station and vulnerable to all kinds of counterplay. There's no realistic answer to stopping a miner from getting a bunch of OP shit.
Kor's defense of "oh its not that common" is really only a half-defense. Its a purely pragmatic argument, every round involves miners having some degree of fun, but few rounds involve miners shitting on everyone else ergo mining is fine. There are plenty of ruins and mechanics that are largely indefensible from a gameplay perspective. Having nukeop gear just sitting outside the faithless ruin for free is silly. Giving a powerful antag role to someone for eating junk food thats already been left out on the floor is terrible. Minebot armadas just for doing your job are just inexplicable (it wouldn't be bad if they were more limited to mining tasks). The list goes on. While powerful megafauna gear is a fair reward for more novice miners who must risk life and limb confronting a novel enemy, that justification rings hollow when you turn to the club of fauna-farmers who have memorized all the risks, all the attack patterns, and unless there's a lag spike they face less risk fighting a megafauna than a typical crewmember does just walking down the hall.
The discussion needs to be a nuanced one of how we can improve megafauna design, how we can fix the badly designed ruins, how we can prevent minebot validhunting, etc. not just "FUCKIN MINERS OP NERF NAO".
Quicklist of easy fixes that I came up with in 2 minutes:
1) Remove nukeop hardsuit gear from outside of faithless ruin
2) Remove gluttony ruin or make it far more complex/difficult to "solve"
3) Make minebot KA refuse to fire in high-pressure without being emagged, make minebot drill less damaging
4) Add a megafauna defense mechanic that strongly encourages multiple attackers. Currently my sense is that MF is best solo'd because a 2nd or 3rd participant results in target swapping which makes the attacks much less predictable and makes them harder to hit since its easy to hit MF chasing YOU but when its target is moving around unpredictably and away from you, good luck. Just shooting from the hip: Make all MF have higher (like 50%) resistance to attacks on Lavaland (the mechanic could disappear if they come to station) unless they have been hit by a "marked crusher" attack. Drop the MF health to compensate (-20% maybe). Now MF are suddenly much more team-oriented and it would no longer be optimal to solo them. Tweaks might be necessary but it would invariably be an improvement from "Lone miner runs off with Advanced PC's 5 minutes into the round and comes back dripping in wizard gear".
There's no reason to make megafauna harder. The OVERWHELMING majority of players can't beat megafauna in a team, let alone solo, and the few that can easily are often the very upper crust of hypercompetent players who could win effectively regardless of any changes you made to the boss.Kel-the-Oblivious wrote:4: I am all for making Megafauna harder to solo, but I believe the real problem is tendril loot. Almost all the gripes from mining come from the tendrils (Guardian, Meat Hook, Inq/Champ hardsuits, angel wings) Very rarely do you see people complain about a bottle of havoc being busted open, or an ash storm ripping through the station. Given how easy they are to fight, I think their loot should be toned down, with the really nice items being held inside of mini boss monsters, like the Blood Crazed Miner, or Ancient Goliath. I am always happy to see more monsters down lavaland side. It'll spice things up.
Most of the player base has killed the Drake at least once so your statement is incredibly incorrectShadowDimentio wrote:There's no reason to make megafauna harder. The OVERWHELMING majority of players can't beat megafauna in a team, let alone solo, and the few that can easily are often the very upper crust of hypercompetent players who could win effectively regardless of any changes you made to the boss.Kel-the-Oblivious wrote:4: I am all for making Megafauna harder to solo, but I believe the real problem is tendril loot. Almost all the gripes from mining come from the tendrils (Guardian, Meat Hook, Inq/Champ hardsuits, angel wings) Very rarely do you see people complain about a bottle of havoc being busted open, or an ash storm ripping through the station. Given how easy they are to fight, I think their loot should be toned down, with the really nice items being held inside of mini boss monsters, like the Blood Crazed Miner, or Ancient Goliath. I am always happy to see more monsters down lavaland side. It'll spice things up.
And to the people whining about mining, git gud. One stun hit on a miner in fancy lavaland gear and it's OVER. GG. You have nobody to blame if you lose to a miner but yourself.
Byond medal thing for killing megafaunaimblyings wrote:Do either of you have access to actual stats?
>only 26 players have earned the meteor medalKor wrote:http://www.byond.com/games/TgstationHub ... tab=scores
There are no hard starts on what percentage of our playerbase has killed megafauna but you can scroll back quite a ways to see people who have killed at least one ever
Only about a hundred people have managed it at least 10 times though
Also it only matters on the last tendril. But tendri lspawns are so fucking random as well. One time i got a mining spawn with ONE ONE TENDRIL.Kor wrote:The "tendril kill" on there is actually for killing every tendril on the map within a round
Okay sure, holos are fucking terrible and get you killed 9/10 times anyway. I'm holding you to this, though.calzilla1 wrote:Ill close the thread if someone PRs a removal of holoparacites from mining because thats the worst offender in my opinion ... or someone removes vundle weights
literally actually never playsDemonFiren wrote:Fuck you, stands are great.
I miss uplink stands.