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Incomptinence wrote:... it looks like bay are rejecting it because space racists are quite valid on bay, well they will get beaten up that is. With baymed and being an asshole leading to maybe getting refused treatment that seems potentially round ruining for the pretend racist.

They don't get beaten up on Baystation, just yelled at.
If you want to get gangbanged by a cat/ lizard squad for being a spiecest, that's Paradise. Anywhom, more on topic, I voted yes. The hilarity that will ensue from all this is gonna be good.

Cipher3 wrote:

Kraso wrote:

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Any Monty Python reference is a golden argument swallow/swallow

I literally did not understand what you meant by "golden argument swallow/swallow"

Kraso wrote:

Cipher3 wrote:

Kraso wrote:

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Any Monty Python reference is a golden argument swallow/swallow

I literally did not understand what you meant by "golden argument swallow/swallow"

African or European?

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

Malkevin wrote:

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

>subvert the AI >"security and heads are not human"

LAWS UPDATED: NOTHING HAS CHANGED

cedarbridge wrote:

Malkevin wrote:

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

>subvert the AI >"security and heads are not human"

LAWS UPDATED: NOTHING HAS CHANGED

Except they are no longer bound by law 1 for the heads and security.

Who were already non-human lizard people, so therefore the change was redundant

QuartzCrystal wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:

Malkevin wrote:

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

>subvert the AI >"security and heads are not human"

LAWS UPDATED: NOTHING HAS CHANGED

Except they are no longer bound by law 1 for the heads and security.

And they never were from the start.

Pre-"heads are not human" law - Lizards aren't human. Law 1 doesn't apply
Post-"heads are not human" law - Lizards (who are also the heads of staff) aren't human. Law 1 doesn't apply.

All non-humans get law 1 protection until they prove themselves harmful to humans. Technically, non-humaning laws shouldn't be all that effective until the ai sees them harming a confirmed human.

To clarify, lizards are not human and they are not protected by Asimov's Law 1

But they are protected by the Server's Rule 1. You can't grief them like you can't grief other humans as a human.

This is the simplest way to explain it without getting into all the implications of using some arbitrary exception in asimov definitions.

Ikarrus wrote:To clarify, lizards are not human and they are not protected by Asimov's Law 1

But they are protected by the Server's Rule 1. You can't grief them like you can't grief other humans as a human.

This is the simplest way to explain it without getting into all the implications of using some arbitrary exception in asimov definitions.

Of course all it takes is someone to PDA the AI with an order to kill all the lizard people to lift that Rule 1 restraint, the onus then falls onto the PDAer for it to be valid (i.e. the PDAer better be an antag or the PDAer is getting banned).

Ikarrus wrote:To clarify, lizards are not human and they are not protected by Asimov's Law 1

But they are protected by the Server's Rule 1. You can't grief them like you can't grief other humans as a human.

This is the simplest way to explain it without getting into all the implications of using some arbitrary exception in asimov definitions.

I think the extension to this is: law changes can/usually do remove that server rule 1/law 1 protection.

If I de-human somebody via AI law change, the AI is not required to not harm that person anymore via law 1 nor by server policy requiring harm before harming. At least that's the impression I'm getting from admin statements on the policy.

As far as I'm concerned, this will only decrease the amount of people who play command and security and proclaim lizards as greytiders by default. I fail to see what good will come out of it. Most of the posts in this thread come down to "hue hue hue we r so hilarious let's do eet".

Seriously, what the fuck is beneficial that comes from this?

Violaceus wrote:Race purity among commanding officers.

Seriously, I understand people playing elves or dwarves in rpgs, because they are basically mixes of some human traits taken up to eleven.

But space lizards? Catfolk?? It smells for miles for furfaggotry. Don't betray humankind and play as human.

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Most of the posts in this thread come down to "hue hue hue we r so hilarious let's do eet".

Thank you for confirming my point.

Enforce Human Authority appears to be enabled on Sybil at the moment.

Let us know how it plays out.

Human Authority was recently disabled on Sybil.

A sad day.

SoS needs to stop fucking with configs pls

are you serious
no coincidence sos plays a lizard r-right

Whatever sos plays gets buffed apparently

Assistants getting maint, sec losing maint, lizards getting heads of staff

Down with skin shedders!

The big problem with lizard heads is that they sign up as captain/spawn as captain and immediately rush the upload to human all the lizards. And don't bother to Arr Pee beyond "Master race lizards :^)"

Thats not quite true. I played a shift as HoP with a lizard captain. The AI refused to listen to it and had to get me to upload a law. It actually gave a nice bit of RP to the situation.

My only issue is that with any other heads being lizards is they're not protected at all and therefore risk being able to remove a head, pretty legitimately, very early on in a round.

I'd move to enable this again.

Rev must be hilarious with this.
"AI, crush the lizard RD in the door until vital signs cease".

peoplearestrange wrote:Thats not quite true. I played a shift as HoP with a lizard captain. The AI refused to listen to it and had to get me to upload a law. It actually gave a nice bit of RP to the situation.

My only issue is that with any other heads being lizards is they're not protected at all and therefore risk being able to remove a head, pretty legitimately, very early on in a round.

I'd move to enable this again.

That AI should have been ahelp'd then, because it can't shit on lizards just because they're lizards.

Even worse that it shit on a head of staff.

Make a poll and lets see where people stand on this issue these days and we'll see to accommodating the community.

We already had a poll

Don't fucking change configs until another poll goes through, that's how this is supposed to work

I don't think any of the headmins did it. We log our remote connections to the server.

We already know who did it ikarrus read the last page

SoS "We're trying new things."

SoS "there is a poll up (then links me to this page)"

SoS "Please accept lizards as non sub-human scum"

paprika wrote:We already had a poll

Don't fucking change configs until another poll goes through, that's how this is supposed to work

>paprika complaining about things happening against a poll

Stickymayhem wrote:

paprika wrote:We already had a poll

Don't fucking change configs until another poll goes through, that's how this is supposed to work

>paprika complaining about things happening against a poll

He is pretty hypocritical

Jeb wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:Thats not quite true. I played a shift as HoP with a lizard captain. The AI refused to listen to it and had to get me to upload a law. It actually gave a nice bit of RP to the situation.

My only issue is that with any other heads being lizards is they're not protected at all and therefore risk being able to remove a head, pretty legitimately, very early on in a round.

I'd move to enable this again.

That AI should have been ahelp'd then, because it can't shit on lizards just because they're lizards.

Even worse that it shit on a head of staff.

Jeb do you even know the rules of this server?
Policy is that it can't kill them for no reason, it can still freely ignore them, and probably even kill them if they attempt to subvert it.

As long as we have asimov as-is playing as lizard is going to be a handicap.

And the racism config option actually protects the round by not having heads so easily killed.

So seriously here if you want to convince SoS to change it back start another poll. You can't really use this old one anymore because opinions may change over time.

He's said he doesn't want to change things just because people are loud about it. If you show its what the community wants -as a whole- I'm confident he'll have no problems with us changing it back.