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XSI wrote:

starmute wrote:I was talking about what they advertise, not their world views. I kinda lumped alt-right and neo cons together. Sorry if that offended you.

Naw, it's just one of those things that helps to get clarified. Neocons tend to flip flop between 'Buy gold everything is fucked' and 'Gold is useless dollars forever'

Malkevin wrote:

XSI wrote:anti-communism straight from the cold war

You say that likes its a bad thing

No judgement on my part. They do tend to be very strongly in favour of capitalism and very strongly opposed to communism though, in practically every way they can be. Even modern ones, though they've learned to not show it as much after being told the cold war is over a billion times

cedarbridge wrote: It usually manifests more of being anti-Russia than anti-communism. Anything to relive those Cold War glory days™ though constantly poking Putin in the chest and fighting stupid proxy wars over bullshit.

starmute wrote: Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia

InsaneHyena wrote:

starmute wrote: Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia

Every time I think "Starmute can't possibly top the previous retarded thing it said", and every time I turn out to be wrong.

ColonicAcid wrote:i've always said if you think that islam is the end of western civilisation as we know it then you also need to have that same opinion with rrussia

CosmicScientist wrote:Don't worry Firen, you and the French will recreate Charlemagne's holdings and then Russia probably won't have a strong enough military spirit to retake the Baltic states, Belarus, Ukraine and eastern Poland. Or if they do I'd ask if Austria got swole again.

Oh oh oh! Political question time! Why does Russia have Kaliningrad and the surrounding area above Poland and to the west of Lithuania? Is it because Poland needs to hold that land to pass the decision to become the Polish-Lithuanian Republican Commonwealth with permanent claims on all of Lithuania's current holdings? Or is that where Prussian rebels will spawn first because it's under rule of a foreign culture group and Russia would be willing to let them capture the land and form Prussia instead of letting them spawn in Germany because the leader player there would let the rebels siege Berlin to shift the country back to a monarchy with heavy military tendencies? I mean, if Poland had it, the rebels would stomp Poland and tear away the north and west of Poland rather than under Russia's solution, just take Königsberg, rebuild the impossible bridge problem and have to fight Poland for their cores with a measly OPM stack rather than an event spawned doomstack.

bandit wrote:>implying that the last five decades if not more of world history, and definitely the last two, have not involved various countries collectively pissing in the Middle East's cheerios

Incomptinence wrote:

bandit wrote:>implying that the last five decades if not more of world history, and definitely the last two, have not involved various countries collectively pissing in the Middle East's cheerios

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

The middle east is made of pissed cheerios from the ground up.

The fertile crescent is important to ancient history and shit but at this point entire place has been a mess for centuries before the ottoman's or post ww1 map drawing ever happened.

Fighting over this shitty region is so pointless I say just get it over with exile all humans from the manifestly unholy land then salt the earth / glass the shit pile so our species expends no more resources on this geographical time waster.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Why don't we just tell islama that north Korea hates mohammed

InsaneHyena wrote:

starmute wrote: Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia

Every time I think "Starmute can't possibly top the previous retarded thing it said", and every time I turn out to be wrong.

captain sawrge wrote:it is hot as fuck today

CosmicScientist wrote: Oh oh oh! Political question time! Why does Russia have Kaliningrad and the surrounding area above Poland and to the west of Lithuania?

XSI wrote:

CosmicScientist wrote: Oh oh oh! Political question time! Why does Russia have Kaliningrad and the surrounding area above Poland and to the west of Lithuania?

In complete honesty, they just sorta took it after WW2 and declared it to be a part of Russia. That's all there is to it. Beat other country, take clay
They've apparently offered to sell it back to Germany at one point but Germany (Read: German politicians worried about having to pander to more voters) didn't want it, so now it's just sorta there and they made the best of it by just building a bunch of army stuff on it
Of course this is not detailed or anything, but I've not really looked into it that much so that's what I can get you on it

InsaneHyena wrote:Oh no, those poor germans, working to restore the country they destroyed.

InsaneHyena wrote:Oh no, those poor germans, working to restore the country they destroyed.

InsaneHyena wrote:

starmute wrote: Anyone in their right mind would be anti-Russia

Every time I think "Starmute can't possibly top the previous retarded thing it said", and every time I turn out to be wrong.

starmute wrote: Russia destroyed their own country by allowing psuedo-communism to flourish.

pseudo-communism

cedarbridge wrote:

InsaneHyena wrote:Oh no, those poor germans, working to restore the country they destroyed.

>unironically defending Soviet slavery

InsaneHyena wrote:

starmute wrote: Russia destroyed their own country by allowing psuedo-communism to flourish.

pseudo-communism

Jesus, please save me

lntigracy wrote: it's not REAL communism

calzilla1 wrote:

Incomptinence wrote:

bandit wrote:>implying that the last five decades if not more of world history, and definitely the last two, have not involved various countries collectively pissing in the Middle East's cheerios

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

The middle east is made of pissed cheerios from the ground up.

The fertile crescent is important to ancient history and shit but at this point entire place has been a mess for centuries before the ottoman's or post ww1 map drawing ever happened.

Fighting over this shitty region is so pointless I say just get it over with exile all humans from the manifestly unholy land then salt the earth / glass the shit pile so our species expends no more resources on this geographical time waster.

>forgetting about oil

CosmicScientist wrote:

ColonicAcid wrote:>virtually all industry is owned by the government and centralised
>"gobbunism ends"
>virtually all industry is owned by figures connected to the government.

http://puu.sh/xISEG/88fcde70af.jpg

the only difference is your ass can get mcdonalds...

Isn't that fascism?

DemonFiren wrote:"communism is the same as democracy"
-starmute 2017

DemonFiren wrote:

CosmicScientist wrote:

ColonicAcid wrote:>virtually all industry is owned by the government and centralised
>"gobbunism ends"
>virtually all industry is owned by figures connected to the government.

http://puu.sh/xISEG/88fcde70af.jpg

the only difference is your ass can get mcdonalds...

Isn't that fascism?

Compromise?

ShadowDimentio wrote:There's only like an inch of difference between Communism and Nazi-ism

CosmicScientist wrote:

starmute wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:"communism is the same as democracy"
-starmute 2017

Both do not exist

Democracy would be rule by the masses with no elected representatives

Communism would be from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Communism sounds like a minmaxer's wet dream and surely democracy is impossible outside of small scale if you do not consider representatives to be an extension of the rule of the people? I mean, the people are stupid and the representatives are stupid so that sounds right for democracy.

ShadowDimentio wrote:"""True""" democracies don't exist because it's totally unfeasible for people to vote for the constant things that need to be done in governments, it's considered a good year when 80% of a population of a country show up for presidential elections or an equivalent, and those only happen once every few years.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Jc denton did it in deus ex 2

ShadowDimentio wrote:"It wasn't REAL communism!" -Communists describing communist countries

The only lesson people need to learn about communism is that someone always has to get fucked over. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a fast way to make sure nobody is happy* and everyone is equally miserable, not to mention it's an EXTREMELY good reason for everyone with any skills that you might need to, say, fill vital roles in the country to flee, hence why the Berlin Wall was to keep people in, not out.

*Except the people running the show, they always ~mysteriously prosper~

XSI wrote:I've been talking to a legit communist occasionally, and from what I've learned there is one big lesson about communism
The other guys are doing it wrong. Always. There's a lot of different kinds of communism and they all hate each other, and most of them hate the soviet union too

Also on Köningsberg, yeah. I've got nothing. Just repeating shit I heard since I've yet to look into it. The area doesn't really have much interest for me past WW2

CosmicScientist wrote:
Oh and going back to that Adam Ruins clip, there's a sense of smug superiority that rubs the wrong way. I don't know if that's by design since that would mean the makers assume the viewers could realise their prejudice, feel confliction and come to the conclusion that the video is right rather than just hit the downvote for causing negative feelings. The rest of it I could probably armchair it and say they are cliche designs although sadly I can only go as far as armchair since I can't tell you what cliche designs aren't in the video rather than work off my own steam:

• normal presenter getting beaten up verbally and physically to relieve the audience after being told by this know-it-all what the facts are/they have misconceptions
• gender divide (majority female audience with audience surrogate?), same sex beating up same sex isn't as much of a contrast and it may also be tying into common concept of woman weak, man stwong to not turn people off either being unstimulating mentally or repelling for playing into a bad stereotype (or again, majority female audience might be playing in on this one, give the audience a surrogate because no-one wants to see gastropod the stinky green alien winning or being right when no-one is even close to being gastropod the stinky green alien, it's like how in Futurama, Fry was the audience surrogate exploring everything and coincidentally, an important word, the writing got shit about the time he became familiar with the future), feel free to hate me on this one starmute, I'm trying to stay gender neutral but this was the conclusion I came to after I took a very strong dislike to muh man being beaten up by da woman of evil
• quick reference mentions just like a paper I had to do for university! making it appear professional (although that is a tad misleading because this isn't a paper, no-one is using this as research material, youtube is not responsible for making sure this material they are hosting isn't lying or misinterpreting findings in the reference material and without looking up the reference material, I can't even say they are reliable with how they're presented in the video, although papers do suffer a flaw of needing to look at the references to not consider a paper founded on them to be baseless, I mean if you're being paid enough)
• subtle (but forced) facial and verbal tone changes

Okay I'm going to stop there. They know what they're doing. If I put it one way, it's by the book but lacks sincerity. If I put it another way, it's manipulative in a way that scares me if they have a concerning message to push. And if I find a third way to put it, they come to a mostly right but simplistic conclusion for a video designed for amusement rather than to provoke thought, however the serious end doesn't justify the jokey means.

CosmicScientist wrote:
Nuuu. Post college humor stuff. Just not that weird Adam Ruins thing, it even seems to attract everyone to post politics in the comments and everyone calls Adam an SJW and then aaall the buzzwords appear.

ShadowDimentio wrote:I was born here, I have just as much claim to the land as any native.