/tg/Station 13

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Grazyn wrote:Yes you need lots of moles of oxygen (and plasma), and supercooling the gas is the easiest way to cram all those moles in a small tank. Hot gas -> few moles.

Freon bombs are kinda old anyway, someone taught me how to make them like 2 months ago, it was supposed to be a secret but I guess the cat is out of the bag now. You don't actually need 2000 kpa of hot freon if you manage to superheat it, but you can't use the heat transfer thingy because of its high heat capacity, best way is to just mix a very small amount of freon inside a regular burn mix canister, you let it heat to 90k °C or something and then filter out the superheated freon. A 1013 kpa tank of 60k °C freon linked to a supercooled plasma /o2 mix will be enough to erase lavaland.

CPTANT wrote:I tested this to see if it works conceptually and it does.



However this test was with 1000Kpa 6736 °C freon and -191°C 88% plasma and 12% oxygen.

I am having trouble getting 2000Kpa in a tank. If I add hot freon to colder freon in a tank it just instantly levels out the temperature and it doesn't go above 1000Kpa

Only thing I can think of is indeed adding burnmix at >100 °C to the tank

Grazyn wrote:Theoretical should show the actual radius even with the bomb cap on.

CPTANT wrote:I am still having trouble getting 2000KPa freon into a tank.

The method of mixing hot and cold freon doesn't seem to work at all for me, regardless of the order.

Adding burnmix is impractical as the specific heat of Freon is so high that you barely get any temperature increase at all, unless you throw out a lot of freon. But practically it means freon is better at adding heat than the burnmix so there isnt really a point.

Grazyn wrote:

CPTANT wrote:I am still having trouble getting 2000KPa freon into a tank.

The method of mixing hot and cold freon doesn't seem to work at all for me, regardless of the order.

Adding burnmix is impractical as the specific heat of Freon is so high that you barely get any temperature increase at all, unless you throw out a lot of freon. But practically it means freon is better at adding heat than the burnmix so there isnt really a point.

As I said before, 2000 kPa is overkill and not needed for z-level-wide explosions. As long as you have pure superheated freon in one tank (someone said that >6000 °C are enough) and a supercooled mix of o2 and plasma in the other, you're good with just 1013 kPa of both. Maybe play around with the o2/plasma mix if you already have the hot freon.

Grazyn wrote:Burnmix may be too cold. I know that even regular maxcaps don't work if you cool down the oxygen too much. Try 13K instead, 90% o2 and 10% plasma, and hotter freon, even with a lower pressure.

Anonmare wrote:You only need stabilising agent for the initial reaction, it's safe to remove once you're ready.

Also Napalm/CL3/Phlogiston foam grenades are terrifying

Grazyn wrote:Burnmix may be too cold. I know that even regular maxcaps don't work if you cool down the oxygen too much. Try 13K instead, 90% o2 and 10% plasma, and hotter freon, even with a lower pressure.

DemonFiren wrote:If you're really good you can do it while the grenade is in flight.

Another reason to get cooking.

Anonmare wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:If you're really good you can do it while the grenade is in flight.

Another reason to get cooking.

You're better off screwdrivering the grenade to set it to 3 seconds. Most people don't have reactions that fast.

CosmicScientist wrote:And the wiki says there is no OD but it's "Mildly toxic"

Clearly for my traitoring I need to grab something that takes three basic chems and probably only needs a charcoal pill on the side or antitoxin in 30u amounts if you want a quick recipe.


How dramatic is the get up time?

CosmicScientist wrote:

Anonmare wrote:Equal to epinephrine. You could probably stack your epi-pen+synapatazine+nicotine for anti-stun that's only a little worse than traitor stimulants.

Argh. It requires so many steps. I think I'd just get sick of trying to break into/job swap to chemistry to spend 5-10 minutes making chemicals I might need just to die to an explosion, a 'ling or a revolver. Especially when time is usually an important currency to spend as a traitor on anything but well practised steps or entirely on experimentation.

I guess I just don't want to do it because of the OOC requirement of reading the wiki to do anything fun with chemicals.


It was nice to see epinephrine has an overdose on it though... although I'm trying to remember if the chemistry dispenser available to the crew is stocked with the stuff by default and if it's useful outside of obviously sticking too many needles into a dying patient. Do overdose effects wear off once you go under the threshold?

/datum/reagent/medicine/morphine/on_mob_life(mob/living/M)
	M.status_flags |= IGNORESLOWDOWN
	switch(current_cycle)
		if(11)
			to_chat(M, "<span class='warning'>You start to feel tired...</span>" )
		if(12 to 24)
			M.drowsyness += 1
		if(24 to INFINITY)
			M.Sleeping(40, 0)
			. = 1
..()

Alipheese wrote:You can activate the medical scanner to set it to scan chemicals...

TribeOfBeavers wrote:

Alipheese wrote:You can activate the medical scanner to set it to scan chemicals...

It tells you if someone is ODing as well!

MimicFaux wrote:Time of death is useful to know if they are in defib range when you walk in and there is just a body left outside of genetics.

TribeOfBeavers wrote:

MimicFaux wrote:Time of death is useful to know if they are in defib range when you walk in and there is just a body left outside of genetics.

Doesn't it already tell you in bright red text if someone can be defibbed though?

MimicFaux wrote:We CM now.

MimicFaux wrote:Unless you're using the CMO's belt defib, you'll be swapping out your backpack for the defib, setting up to defib them, maybe even taking time to remove a hard suit. And that's if you already have one on hand. People wearing augments, implants, or genetic powers, will all appreciate being defibbed over cloned. And those who are well past that point, will appreciate being taken directly into clothing as opposed to waiting around and watching you try and defib them first.

Knowing the time of death, can make you look competent and efficient.

DiamondSentinel wrote:

MimicFaux wrote:Unless you're using the CMO's belt defib, you'll be swapping out your backpack for the defib, setting up to defib them, maybe even taking time to remove a hard suit. And that's if you already have one on hand. People wearing augments, implants, or genetic powers, will all appreciate being defibbed over cloned. And those who are well past that point, will appreciate being taken directly into clothing as opposed to waiting around and watching you try and defib them first.

Knowing the time of death, can make you look competent and efficient.

Don't get me wrong. I'm definitely one of the people with implants, and definitely appreciate being defibbed over cloned. The problem is that 9 times out of 10, if I'm dead, there's not a doctor in sight to defib me.

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Thats why it got removed from being applicable on dead bodies.

Augments work well though in its place for repairing damage and allowing bodies to be repaired even if they are hideous bloody mess.