Coderbus Boogaloo Pt. II: Still Shitty

[Cheridan]

Bottom post of the previous page:

I identify as a coderfluid transpriter.

[Incomptinence]

Hurry everyone go make token PRs that change a tiny insignificant detail and no one cares enough to oppose just so Scott can see you as human beings.

[Falamazeer]

I made the dead ian sprite, I am the highest form of contributor already, Kneel before me.

[NikNakFlak]

Wjohnston made all the shaved corgi sprites. Clearly he is better
and I coded/copypasta'd it with heavy reliance on RemieRichards
Clearly they are better as well

[WJohnston]

This is like both of the loudest sides of the community and coderbus crawling out of the woodworks and having a miniature childish war while everyone else (calmer players and coders) look in disgust and begin to distrust the calmer folk on both sides more and more too.

I'm not sure if this thread is going to accomplish anything by being so public. Maybe these issues should be handled more quietly in a more private discussion or something. Highlighting these issues may actually be causing quite a bit of damage.

[Falamazeer]

Wjohnston made all the shaved corgi sprites. Clearly he is better
and I coded/copypasta'd it with heavy reliance on RemieRichards
Clearly they are better as well

An inferior contribution to my own.

without me, you could not know the joy of licking delicious tears as they fall from the head of personnel's eyes as he looks down in horror at what you have done.

You're welcome.

This is like both of the loudest sides of the community and coderbus crawling out of the woodworks and having a miniature childish war while everyone else (calmer players and coders) look in disgust and begin to distrust the calmer folk on both sides more and more too.

I'm not sure if this thread is going to accomplish anything by being so public. Maybe these issues should be handled more quietly in a more private discussion or something. Highlighting these issues may actually be causing quite a bit of damage.

These issues are varied and long standing, And everytime without fail it's argued to death and then swept further down the road to handle later, Leaving things exactly where they were, and you can guess who benefits from that most.
Hint:Not the players.

[MisterPerson]

We've been over this. My complaint is not "Cheridan closed my PR request by proxy, wah wah, he's a big meanie". It's that I advocated for changes on these forums, made several well thought-out arguments, garnered a consensus among the posters here, and then Cheridan doesn't just push back, he shuts down any hope of change with bans/threats/Github authority while simultaneously demonstration 0 fucking interest in what anyone here has to say. This neuters the effectiveness of this forum and creates another filter between the community and coders when you have to walk up to their front doorstep where Cheridan has absolute authority about what dialogue can take place, and essentially beg them to do something. This isn't an accident, this is the way that Cheridan has consolidated his power and he's more than happy to raise a giant middle finger to this forum as part of that process.

The original pull request had a fair discussion and it was shot down. It wasn't "Cheridan didn't like the idea", it was literally "nearly every contributor disliked the idea". I don't really know what else to tell you. Sometimes changes you don't like are going to happen and changes you want won't happen. There's just no way for everyone to agree on stuff like this.

"You are playing a game where you are not fully in control of everything. You will be put into situations beyond your control, which will result in some rounds being ruined for you. Man up and deal with it. "

And in any case, complaining that this forum's effectiveness is ruined is a bit of a stretch considering Cheridan (and many other contributors) don't use this forum at all. Which, yes, is a bit of a shame, especially since it's been really good for the past half year

These issues are varied and long standing, And everytime without fail it's argued to death and then swept further down the road to handle later, Leaving things exactly where they were, and you can guess who benefits from that most.
Hint:Not the players.

That's why I've left this thread open and unmoderated for so long, to give people a non-Singulo public opportunity to make their feelings known so everyone knows where everyone else stands so maybe we can resolve this shit. I mean, I doubt we will, but you gotta try, right?

[lumipharon]

I make issue requests on git an they get closed because 'git is not the place for balance discussion'.
So the only other place to voice these issues is feedback. But if they don't listen or read here, what the fuck are we expected to do?

Edit: And don't say get on IRC. I have a job, I sleep, and I live on the otherside of the world from most of the people in this comunity.

Edit2: And you talk about the original PR. The orginal and the 2nd PR were very much different.
The first PR was a straight 'double tc's.' I loudly opposed this and still do.

So what did he do? He listened to feedback from the first pr, and made the 2nd PR, which only increased tc count by 10, while also increasing the cost of syndie bombs to 16 (so you couldn't buy more than one).
Of course if people still felt this was unsatisfactory, more changes could have been made (X item would be good with the high tc cound and should also go up etc). Instead it got locked.

Hell, personally I still don't agree with the 2nd pr, I think there are other methods to improve traitors, but locking down pr's and banning people when they've taken the time and effort to listen to feedback is unbelievably shitty.

[MisterPerson]

@Lumipharon:

Steelpoint you were literally not "banned for contributing", and the fact that you're still pushing that idea after you spoke to me and I directly told you the reasons behind your ban comes off as very disingenuous.

Read this since you obviously haven't.

[lumipharon]

I've read it several times. What's that got to do with what I've said?

[Luke Cox]

@Lumipharon:

Steelpoint you were literally not "banned for contributing", and the fact that you're still pushing that idea after you spoke to me and I directly told you the reasons behind your ban comes off as very disingenuous.

Read this since you obviously haven't.

He's raid that, he just doesn't believe a word of what Cheridan is saying.

[iamgoofball]

so now we're quite literally into the conspiracy section

fucking beautiful

[Oldman Robustin]

so now we're quite literally into the conspiracy section

fucking beautiful

Doesn't really go into conspiracy territory. It's Cheridan using flimsy raisins to ban Steelpoint because "he's messing with our teamwork vibe and throwing off all our auras man", which some of us just see as a pretense for Cheridan banning anyone who talks back to him and adds PR's that buff what he doesn't want buffed or nerf what he doesn't want nerfed, even if it's based on consensus from this forum. It's more a "Do you think Cheridan's statements are credible" and many of us absolutely do not, his behavior in this thread only reinforced that.

[lumipharon]

Goof,MSO, what are you even talking about. Cheri said he didn't ban steel 'for contributing'.
Please explain where I have accused Cheri of banned steel 'for contributing.'

[Steelpoint]

I did talk with you Cheridan yes but I still fail to understand the reason for my ban. As far as I know you claimed to ban me for being disruptive or something. That might be fine but your attitudes towards me, such as telling me to send my PR's to hell and intentionally preforming actions to, and as you say, make me madder, mean I really don't belive you had genuine intent to ban me and instead just banned me out of spite or a heat of the moment.

Also I find it insulting you claim that my second TC PR was closed only because you closed my first TC PR. Even though there was a worlds of difference between the two PR's, as well as more thought and adjustments put into the second PR.

Not to mention that the second TC PR had overwhelming support from most people, whereas the first one was much less well received.

[peoplearestrange]

Steelpoint, this isn't a discussion about your ban or an appeal for said ban.

Can people at least TRY to not make everything about them?

[Wyzack]

> still no one has responded to lumi

k

[onleavedontatme]

Steelpoint, this isn't a discussion about your ban or an appeal for said ban.

Can people at least TRY to not make everything about them?

The entire thread is about Steelpoint silly.

Or rather, it was prompted by Steelpoint's ban.

[peoplearestrange]

\/O\/

I have no idea whats going on these days...