/tg/Station 13

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You should be able to set your traitor uplink preferences alongside your character settings.
Like selecting whether you want a PDA uplink, headset uplink, SBR, multitool or implant (with only 10 TCs of course). Or no uplink at all you absolute madman.

Malkevin wrote:Already implemented in ramen pots.

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Make department apc's accessible by that department head

science apcs - rd
security apcs - hos
etc

Any roundstart or latejoin head is automatically denied access to gateway (because the station takes priority first) via the use of them starting with a unique unshakable and invisible centcomm implant (or just a centcomm loyalty+ implant that is hardcoded into the DNA and admin enforcement of deriliction/restraining automatic exile effect if they try to bypass it)

This stops stupid heads swanning off on away missions.

I'd be up for giving Heads of Staff roundstart exile implants. Not like revs ever try to evile them that way anyway.

In light of sec-borgs being removed. Re-jiggle ED-102's or whatever they are called (the upgraded securitron models) to accept players via directly implementing brains, cubes or carded AI's like borgs (alternatively, give security a limited roundstart mech in the armoury that can accept a MMI or direct control)

Restraining with mech's can be orchestrated via a paddywagon mech add-on that after a small timer of scooping them off the floor, loads them into the wagon and automatically applies cable to be flushed out on command at brig depending on whether the convict escapes prematurely by resisting and worming out of the mech (should be easy enough to re-catch with the taser) or the mech loses power and automatically flushes the paddywagon as a safeguard. (EMP attacks recommended if yo peeps are being scooped up, since the paddy wagon has room for multiples in the case of riots)

Mech comes with complimentary taser/disabler & loudspeaker addons and enhanced punching power that can knock down and severely harm/stun people at close range in addition to breaking down walls with continuous bashing. The warden and the HOS can access it solely on non-skeleton rounds, and more access to it can be granted via the security access computer. Ideal for fighting wizards, rushers, some xenomorph incursions (with paddy wagons being able to restrain and hold some specimens) and revs.

All with complementary space law only hardcoded laws of course built in to prevent all but direct malf ai messing around.

Remove traitor uplink syndicate bomb. It's cheap, people don't give a fuck about objectives and bomb things within 5 minutes, it shortens rounds. Wrecking shit to station structure should take at least some effort i.e. doing it old school style with toxin bombs.

Malkevin wrote:Use remote signallers

This may or may not be my antag meme.

C4, signaller, wrapping paper, into pocket. *beep*

FantasticFwoosh wrote:In light of sec-borgs being removed. Re-jiggle ED-102's or whatever they are called (the upgraded securitron models) to accept players via directly implementing brains, cubes or carded AI's like borgs (alternatively, give security a limited roundstart mech in the armoury that can accept a MMI or direct control)

Restraining with mech's can be orchestrated via a paddywagon mech add-on that after a small timer of scooping them off the floor, loads them into the wagon and automatically applies cable to be flushed out on command at brig depending on whether the convict escapes prematurely by resisting and worming out of the mech (should be easy enough to re-catch with the taser) or the mech loses power and automatically flushes the paddywagon as a safeguard. (EMP attacks recommended if yo peeps are being scooped up, since the paddy wagon has room for multiples in the case of riots)

Mech comes with complimentary taser/disabler & loudspeaker addons and enhanced punching power that can knock down and severely harm/stun people at close range in addition to breaking down walls with continuous bashing. The warden and the HOS can access it solely on non-skeleton rounds, and more access to it can be granted via the security access computer. Ideal for fighting wizards, rushers, some xenomorph incursions (with paddy wagons being able to restrain and hold some specimens) and revs.

All with complementary space law only hardcoded laws of course built in to prevent all but direct malf ai messing around.

Shitty ideas thread is down that way friend

invisty wrote:

Malkevin wrote:Use remote signallers

This may or may not be my antag meme.

C4, signaller, wrapping paper, into pocket. *beep*

I'm not even sure what my post you are quoting was in response to.

Add a self-destruct module for malf AIs to buy that detonates with the force of a Syndicate Bomb, centered on them, with a 15 second timer.

For the sore loser AI who wants to take their killer with them if possible. May or may not prevent shunting.

Anonmare wrote:Add a self-destruct module for malf AIs to buy that detonates with the force of a Syndicate Bomb, centered on them, with a 15 second timer.

For the sore loser AI who wants to take their killer with them if possible. May or may not prevent shunting.

Now here's what.
It blows the core if anyone is attempting to card the AI, or on a countdown and loud warning if the core's been reduced to 0 health, but prevents shunting once bought.
If the AI made the mistake of not shunting beforehand, fuck the AI.

Add a surrender button that will stun you similarly to neurotoxin for 10 seconds and display a big ol' message for anyone in sight.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

FantasticFwoosh wrote:In light of sec-borgs being removed. Re-jiggle ED-102's or whatever they are called (the upgraded securitron models) to accept players via directly implementing brains, cubes or carded AI's like borgs (alternatively, give security a limited roundstart mech in the armoury that can accept a MMI or direct control)

Restraining with mech's can be orchestrated via a paddywagon mech add-on that after a small timer of scooping them off the floor, loads them into the wagon and automatically applies cable to be flushed out on command at brig depending on whether the convict escapes prematurely by resisting and worming out of the mech (should be easy enough to re-catch with the taser) or the mech loses power and automatically flushes the paddywagon as a safeguard. (EMP attacks recommended if yo peeps are being scooped up, since the paddy wagon has room for multiples in the case of riots)

Mech comes with complimentary taser/disabler & loudspeaker addons and enhanced punching power that can knock down and severely harm/stun people at close range in addition to breaking down walls with continuous bashing. The warden and the HOS can access it solely on non-skeleton rounds, and more access to it can be granted via the security access computer. Ideal for fighting wizards, rushers, some xenomorph incursions (with paddy wagons being able to restrain and hold some specimens) and revs.

All with complementary space law only hardcoded laws of course built in to prevent all but direct malf ai messing around.

Shitty ideas thread is down that way friend

I wouldn't call it shitty as much as a slightly shit but in the circumstances necessary enough suggestion to be valid. A bit shit like the now mandatory cuffs in the sec-belts that nobody uses because zip-ties are a direct upgrade and cuffs are a personal safety liability but its nice to know they are there.

No borgs means that sec are down a few notches, ED's take obtuse amounts to construct, and a roundstart mech could be turned against the sec forces easily maintaining balance (besides from the fact that greyshirts could probably beat it down en-masse anyway so its not totally OP)

Super or knockout punches, are already in gygax so for all justification purposes, it could just be a one-off gygax prototype, and encourages sec to collaborate with science for better shit. Its just a slow mech, immune to slips which befall many lone officers who promptly get their shit stolen and vunerable to EMP, when it's gone, sec has to grovel to the roboticist to make a new model.

FantasticFwoosh wrote: A bit shit like the now mandatory cuffs in the sec-belts that nobody uses because zip-ties are a direct upgrade and cuffs are a personal safety liability but its nice to know they are there.

Say what?

Cuffs are reusable, zip ties aren't.
If prisoners are pocketing your cuffs that's your own fault

I wouldn't call it shitty as much as a slightly shit but in the circumstances necessary enough suggestion to be valid. A bit shit like the now mandatory cuffs in the sec-belts that nobody uses because zip-ties are a direct upgrade and cuffs are a personal safety liability but its nice to know they are there.

Zip ties can be resisted out of faster, are one-use only, and a smart friend of the prisoner can free them instantly. They're worse in almost any situation (gulag is a rare exception), assuming you know how to uncuff someone properly (ie how to use a baton so they're stunned while you pick up your cuffs and walk out). They're not even more compact, like zip ties are in real life.

I use zip-ties over handcuffs because they're quicker, but mainly if I'm Detective/Head of Staff and don't have default access to a stun baton. Telebaton keeps a person down long enough to slip zip-ties on but not handcuff bracelets if they're prepared to run ahead of time.

Anonmare wrote:I use zip-ties over handcuffs because they're quicker, but mainly if I'm Detective/Head of Staff and don't have default access to a stun baton. Telebaton keeps a person down long enough to slip zip-ties on but not handcuff bracelets if they're prepared to run ahead of time.

wait what, the different cuffs have different restraint times? Are you sure?

Oh yeah totally. Zipties have a slightly faster cuff time than other cuffs.

I recommend my babby sec officers use zipties because it is a far less obnoxious bucklecuff due to the shorter resist time, and newer sec players may have not yet mastered the art of juggling stunbaton and empty hand to remove cuffs from a perp in a cell.

I like to take the cuffs off prisoners without batoning them first. The friendly ones appreciate it, and if the non-friendly ones try and disarm me, I stun them then charge them with assault on an officer and resisting arrest.

TheNightingale wrote:I like to take the cuffs off prisoners without batoning them first. The friendly ones appreciate it, and if the non-friendly ones try and disarm me, I stun them then charge them with assault on an officer and resisting arrest.

Or, y'know, they land a lucky knockdown and you get harmbatoned to death while the guy escapes with a security-level ID and gear.

Pretty sure. I haven't actually timed them.

Malkevin wrote:

FantasticFwoosh wrote: A bit shit like the now mandatory cuffs in the sec-belts that nobody uses because zip-ties are a direct upgrade and cuffs are a personal safety liability but its nice to know they are there.

Say what?

Cuffs are reusable, zip ties aren't.
If prisoners are pocketing your cuffs that's your own fault

How is it my (/sec players) fault? Zip ties are best applied on assistants and other nobodies because of the exact reason they are disposable (applies to both). Latejoin sec players already start with cuffs, in the pocket and the backpack. And its just obtuse to carry around three pairs of cuffs that are forced onto you and made your responsibility to not lose.

Nobody is at fault but RNG if a shitter gets half a chance to steal your baton simply BECAUSE you have to confiscate the cuffs off them, with disposables they can break out but nobody will care because they can try to rob you (which then is probably your own fault for not putting your baton/taser away), but not humilate or put your life in danger by binding you, 8/10 giving you enough time to beat the shit out of them or log a report for arrest rather than a 100 sec files on greyshirts stealing cuffs for trophies because 'muh validhunt' mentality and petty theft.

Often just bucklecuffing a shitter to a chair or a free bed in brig/public place is good enough since the time taken to restrain out of it will apply to the time you could probably enact in a cell & time taken to drag them there, there are a lot of losers on this station and the zip-tie shortage does not address this.

A traitor or a criminal will likely not be let out of cuffs unless totally nessecary, a greyshirt by space law is only given a small brig time for small crime, and therefore doesn't warrant such excessive means of restraint with such risk attached to it.

Replacing the cuff in the sec belt with a zip tie would be more satisfactory and safe.

What about a small-sized cuff generator that, when used on a person, applies energy cuffs to them after a delay (or legcuffs if aimed at the legs)? Clicking the generator dispels the cuffs, and R&D can upgrade it with bigger capacitors to have more active cuffs at once?

FantasticFwoosh wrote:

Malkevin wrote:

FantasticFwoosh wrote: A bit shit like the now mandatory cuffs in the sec-belts that nobody uses because zip-ties are a direct upgrade and cuffs are a personal safety liability but its nice to know they are there.

Say what?

Cuffs are reusable, zip ties aren't.
If prisoners are pocketing your cuffs that's your own fault

How is it my (/sec players) fault? Zip ties are best applied on assistants and other nobodies because of the exact reason they are disposable (applies to both). Latejoin sec players already start with cuffs, in the pocket and the backpack. And its just obtuse to carry around three pairs of cuffs that are forced onto you and made your responsibility to not lose.

Nobody is at fault but RNG if a shitter gets half a chance to steal your baton simply BECAUSE you have to confiscate the cuffs off them, with disposables they can break out but nobody will care because they can try to rob you (which then is probably your own fault for not putting your baton/taser away), but not humilate or put your life in danger by binding you, 8/10 giving you enough time to beat the shit out of them or log a report for arrest rather than a 100 sec files on greyshirts stealing cuffs for trophies because 'muh validhunt' mentality and petty theft.

Often just bucklecuffing a shitter to a chair or a free bed in brig/public place is good enough since the time taken to restrain out of it will apply to the time you could probably enact in a cell & time taken to drag them there, there are a lot of losers on this station and the zip-tie shortage does not address this.

A traitor or a criminal will likely not be let out of cuffs unless totally nessecary, a greyshirt by space law is only given a small brig time for small crime, and therefore doesn't warrant such excessive means of restraint with such risk attached to it.

Replacing the cuff in the sec belt with a zip tie would be more satisfactory and safe.

Sorry you're terrible at uncuffing people, you even get a progress bar now that makes things a lot easier to judge when to apply the stun baton whack (Or you can do even better and use pepperspray (you did make sure you remove their eyewear and mask... and hat - actually fuck it, pepperspray is still terrible.)
I've not once had my stun baton taken off of me by a prisoner in the last four years, I'll even show you the technique if you want.

And zipcuffs can be resisted out of in...what? 30 seconds?
If you're arresting people for only minor crimes you're either playing on basil or the station is on fire whilst you wave your authority boner about.


Besides, its not like cuffs have the NODROP tag and you can't get rid of them at all, I mean if it bothers you so much you can drop your cuffs and put in zip ties instead.

Christ, I do a thing to make sec's life a little bit more convenient and someone still manages to complain

Zilenan91 wrote:Oh yeah totally. Zipties have a slightly faster cuff time than other cuffs.

not true, checked the code

TheNightingale wrote:I like to take the cuffs off prisoners without batoning them first. The friendly ones appreciate it, and if the non-friendly ones try and disarm me, I stun them then charge them with assault on an officer and resisting arrest.

There are times when this is the right thing to do, but I always take care to baton someone who's come in for a violent crime (even assault) or who's mouthing off. It only takes one lucky push and cuff to have the tables turned and them escaping with a lot more gear than you want on them.

Batoning isn't something officers should always do, but it's certainly something all of them should learn how to do. If you're not skilled enough to be able to baton-uncuff safely, you're not skilled enough to be able to rely on robusting them if/when they disarm you and try to escape.

Malkevin wrote:

FantasticFwoosh wrote:

Malkevin wrote:

FantasticFwoosh wrote: A bit shit like the now mandatory cuffs in the sec-belts that nobody uses because zip-ties are a direct upgrade and cuffs are a personal safety liability but its nice to know they are there.

Say what?

Cuffs are reusable, zip ties aren't.
If prisoners are pocketing your cuffs that's your own fault

How is it my (/sec players) fault? Zip ties are best applied on assistants and other nobodies because of the exact reason they are disposable (applies to both). Latejoin sec players already start with cuffs, in the pocket and the backpack. And its just obtuse to carry around three pairs of cuffs that are forced onto you and made your responsibility to not lose.

Nobody is at fault but RNG if a shitter gets half a chance to steal your baton simply BECAUSE you have to confiscate the cuffs off them, with disposables they can break out but nobody will care because they can try to rob you (which then is probably your own fault for not putting your baton/taser away), but not humilate or put your life in danger by binding you, 8/10 giving you enough time to beat the shit out of them or log a report for arrest rather than a 100 sec files on greyshirts stealing cuffs for trophies because 'muh validhunt' mentality and petty theft.

Often just bucklecuffing a shitter to a chair or a free bed in brig/public place is good enough since the time taken to restrain out of it will apply to the time you could probably enact in a cell & time taken to drag them there, there are a lot of losers on this station and the zip-tie shortage does not address this.

A traitor or a criminal will likely not be let out of cuffs unless totally nessecary, a greyshirt by space law is only given a small brig time for small crime, and therefore doesn't warrant such excessive means of restraint with such risk attached to it.

Replacing the cuff in the sec belt with a zip tie would be more satisfactory and safe.

Sorry you're terrible at uncuffing people, you even get a progress bar now that makes things a lot easier to judge when to apply the stun baton whack (Or you can do even better and use pepperspray (you did make sure you remove their eyewear and mask... and hat - actually fuck it, pepperspray is still terrible.)
I've not once had my stun baton taken off of me by a prisoner in the last four years, I'll even show you the technique if you want.

And zipcuffs can be resisted out of in...what? 30 seconds?
If you're arresting people for only minor crimes you're either playing on basil or the station is on fire whilst you wave your authority boner about.


Besides, its not like cuffs have the NODROP tag and you can't get rid of them at all, I mean if it bothers you so much you can drop your cuffs and put in zip ties instead.

Christ, I do a thing to make sec's life a little bit more convenient and someone still manages to complain

Authority boners are the best boners, space law is dues vult.

If sec really want to stop the shittery of stuff getting stolen - give them cargo orderable but otherwise exclusive grip gloves that have a RNG chance to cockblock disarms by applying a chance of no-drop on pushes meaning the baton/taser/item of interest remains in the hand or during a disarm when it would normally fall.

Not infallable but would make the margin of successful disarms very slim.

"George Melons disarms name: _______ , but the item remains in the hand!"

"The detective scanner picks up traces of pucker-marks and black fibre upon the '________' "

Where are the animal masks. I know it's a meme of sorts, but I want to see traitor clowns in Pig masks holing up in maintenance and kidnapping with intent to murder like a deranged serial killer.

I'll probably get shit for making this suggestion but here it goes:
Remove jetpacks from EVA, built-in jetpacks from engie suits. Replace them with tethers that prevent you from floating away during EVA missions, you'd have to bolt them to a wall first. Only people with jetpacks are now the CE and the Captain.
Oh and you can cut someone's tether for traitor purposes.

Touching someone (without insulated gloves) who was defibrillated in the last few seconds should give you a heart attack. (Clear!)

TheNightingale wrote:Touching someone (without insulated gloves) who was defibrillated in the last few seconds should give you a heart attack. (Clear!)

NO

This is a common myth associated with victims of electrical shocks, often resulting in delayed treatment. Let's not perpetuate that

Atlanta-Ned wrote:

TheNightingale wrote:Touching someone (without insulated gloves) who was defibrillated in the last few seconds should give you a heart attack. (Clear!)

NO

This is a common myth associated with victims of electrical shocks, often resulting in delayed treatment. Let's not perpetuate that

I'm not sure if you're being serious or trying to trick people into getting heart attacks

ED securitron models also accept PAI's as a suggestion. (following on mulebot/medbot and beepskie changes), and PAI's can be emagged to pre-unlock emagged functions without the obvious red-eye effects.

Given resources to build and the fact you'd probably have to murder a sec officer, all the time taken to build would be a investment.

Alternatively, offer syndicate PAI's, with similar function to emagged PAI's that can be latched onto a device for nuclear operatives for hacking/other uses when a emag wont cut it. Also buyable in a bundle with said device via uplink. Re-producable with high tech levels in R&D.

(("Wires shoot out of the syndicate PAI and enter the door panel") *Timer starts till completion and a small report of what wires do what is beamed back to the user holding the syndie PAI and the door is opened breifly with AI access removed until time is up*))

give the clown maint

Holobadges - accessories that you can clip to jumpsuits, activate in-hand to show it, or click someone with it to invade their personal space and thrust it in their face insistently.

Baystation already has the code for them (in accessory.dm, along with ties, waistcoats, stethoscopes and medals):

^^^ plus one on that, holobadges are thematic and cool

If they're going on jumpsuits, they'd need to replace the armbands, probably visibly as well.

Didn't think of that. I would probably keep mine in my pocket anyways so you can flash it at people

Lawyers need :v (service radio) access given that the Head of Personnel is their supervisor (and not the HoS as I previously assumed). This would (ideally) put another check on Security's power and give the law office more to do.

Podmen should breathe CO2 instead of O2, and exhale O2

Luke Cox wrote:Podmen should breathe CO2 instead of O2, and exhale O2

They'd die quickly without internals as the scrubbers are exceptionally efficient at scrubbing CO2.

Plants actually breath o2 when they're not photosynthesising, it's why you shouldn't have too many plants in your bedroom

So been replaying some System Shock and had some thoughts on some more low-key implants to help out other departments willing to get the surgery. As in, science powergamers are unlikely to bother with most of them.

Add an arm Cyberjack implant (cannot be placed in an arm with an arm cannon).
The Cyberjack behaves the same as a pAI doorjack but can be used to hack APCs, air alarms and low security consoles. Hacking takes time and has the ABSTRACT flag, with only a small sprite change when active. Can be added to a pAI to upgrade it's doorjack if it has one. Requires high data theory and a fiar chunk of gold/silver.
(As well as buff doorjack hack times and only give an alert after the door being jacked has opened.)

Add Meson vision eye implant.
Has low research and material cost (does not require materials that cannot be found on station) as well as the ability to be turned on and off. When active, protects the eyes from supermatter and singularity pulses, EMPs flash the user while active. Designed for engineers who don't like carrying around their mesons.

Add Analyzer eye implant.
Low research and material cost (does not require materials that cannot be found on station), allows the user to determine an object's research value, the materials it's made from and analyse chemicals. Ideally suited for chemists and researchers.

Add Diagnostic HUD eye implant.
Roughly equivalent in cost to a Med HUD implant, behaves exactly the same way as a regular diagnostic HUD.

Add Tool arm
Completely replaces a user's arm with an integrated tool kit (think The Borg from Star Trek's techno arm), effectively losing the use of that hand. The arm contains Cyborg variants of most of the tools (automatic wrench, hydraulic crowbar ect.) in addition to an experimental welding tool, a fire extinguisher and a 4 use RCD - which can be reloaded with a compressed matter cartridge (NOTE: It is vulnerable to the malf RCD pulse). Use in hand to select a tool. Decently high material and research costs. user is treated as wearing insulated gloves at all times with this augment.

Add Surgical arm
The medical variant to the above, contains enhanced versions (ayylien?) of every surgical tool in addition to; a health analyzer, a dropper, a syringe gun (syringes not included), defib panels and a hyprospray. Hypospray does not count towards the steal objective. Defib cannot shock people and hypo cannot load harmful chemicals without having the safeties overridden first.

This isn't minor by any means, but it's cool.

Core0verload is actually already doing a tool-arm implant thingy with my arm mod system

Emagging a fire/air alarm should emag all the alarms in a room/area. It's a pain in the ass to emag every single fire alarm in a corridor.

But then any traitor with an emag could have half the station venting in ten seconds

Emagging air/fire alarms just removes their alarm system I believe. So air alarms don't send alerts, dunno if it unlocks the Flood operating mode like the malf power does but I do know that emagging a fire alarm disables it's thermal sensors.

A cheap derringer traitor item, damage/AP/stun all negotiable. To make it cool, spacey, and emphasize its cheapness, make it un-reloadable (maybe add flavor text saying it fires a caseless version of whatever caliber it ultimately is). The point is that it can be stored in clothing items (including hats, gloves, shoes, masks etc.) and retrieved with an emote set by the user upon purchase/use in hand.

A stylish weapon that also works well in combination with freedom implants. Maybe add a bundle option so you can have a derringer for every clothing slot.