GOONCHEM FEEDBACK 2.0

[iamgoofball]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Jesus christ these synthflesh patches are OP. Instant heals? What? Nerf that shit.

le old bruisepacks face

Don't fucking nerf it, it's basically one of the only actually potent healing chems

did you even read the post on the front page about how styptic and silv. Sulf. are better at healing than synthflesh and/or bicard or did you gloss over it because heresy

[Shaps-cloud]

Jesus christ these synthflesh patches are OP. Instant heals? What? Nerf that shit.

If it's so OP then why does no one make it

[lumipharon]

Because it requires blood, which therefore requires effort.

Also a patch with silver sulf + Styptic powder canstill heal well over 100 brute and burn damage, and only requires dispenser shit.
25u styptic = 150 brute
25u silver = 150 burn (I'm almost certain it got buffed to the same level as styptic).

Synth is literally useless, but all three are OP as balls compared to trek healing chems,while not fixing the possibility of loadin up on healing chems, since you can still just hit yourself with 200 patches of meds instead of the old 200 pills.

By golly, it's almost as if it changed nothing except made healing even more 1 click and done.

Trek chems didn't heal instantly, so you can't just click to heal then immediately go back at it.
And because they weren't limited to patches for no particular reason, they are far more useful, since they can be used in dropper, syringes, food, grenades, chem implants, pills etc etc.
Goonchems it's just patches. Also I guess grenades.

This also killed the following forms of healing:
Sleepers
Medibots
Medborgs
the 5+ botany grown plants with healing reagents inside them
the barman's doctor's delight


Seriously just, fucking stick an OD at 100u of each healing chem or some bollocks and use trek healing chems. Adding more powerful, patch only chems did nothing of value.

[PKPenguin321]

Jesus christ these synthflesh patches are OP. Instant heals? What? Nerf that shit.

le old bruisepacks face

Don't fucking nerf it, it's basically one of the only actually potent healing chems

did you even read the post on the front page about how styptic and silv. Sulf. are better at healing than synthflesh and/or bicard or did you gloss over it because heresy

if you'll actually read my post you'll see that i said "one of the only actually potent healing chems," not "the only actually potent healing chem"

[Rhisereld]

I do agree with lumipharon's observations regarding how a lot of Goonchem is limited to patches and breaks a whole lot of design that was centered around being able to ingest chemicals in any way (sleepers, hypospray, droppers, etc.).

[Scones]

chemistry is shit

trekchem was marked by over-simplicity and unbalanced healing mixes (fuck DD), as well as being balanced around just being able to reagent cap yourself on heals - it was not a good system and conceptually it was overpowered bullshit, rob ust never forget

goofchem suffers similar issues although it has made the recipies more complex and prevented true god-mixing via addiction and OD
but the whole patch thing was bullshit and a lot of chems are useless/niche as fuck

chemistry is shit

[iamgoofball]

When the freeze ends I have plans to fix Mediborgs, Medibots, and the problem of injections and droppers, sleepers being useless, etc.

[CPTANT]

When the freeze ends I have plans to fix Mediborgs, Medibots, and the problem of injections and droppers, sleepers being useless, etc.

Wasn't that something that should have been thought out BEFORE overhauling the complete system? They weren't useless before.

[mosquitoman]

I do agree with lumipharon's observations regarding how a lot of Goonchem is limited to patches and breaks a whole lot of design that was centered around being able to ingest chemicals in any way (sleepers, hypospray, droppers, etc.).

all those you listed are simply intravenous

[rockpecker]

When the freeze ends I have plans to fix Mediborgs, Medibots, and the problem of injections and droppers, sleepers being useless, etc.

I'd be interested to hear what your plans are. Might be worth discussing DURING the freeze so that you can get some feedback on the design.

[PKPenguin321]

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/9767

[CPTANT]

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/9767

I do not really understand, is this mashing both chem systems together?

[Rhisereld]

Literally everyone ever is requesting a REVERT with overdose mechanics added.

I don't see how mashing the two systems together accomplishes this - it's even worse.

[Shaps-cloud]

I think the two systems can be mixed together.

Inaprovaline and Dexalin, maybe not since they're pretty much completely replaced by Epinephrine and Salbumentol

Bicaridine and Kelotane could have their healing and metabolization rates cut in half, so 1u would heal 5 damage over 5 ticks. Combined with the fact that you can eat/drink those chems without getting sick, this would make Bicaridine and Kelotane better at carrying around in a flask or in a burger for patching up over time, while Styptic Powder and Silver Sulf would remain the goto-chems for emergency treatment or general time critical stuff.

Antitoxin could be used to heal toxin damage at a slower rate than Charcoal and Pentetic Acid (maybe 1 toxin damage per tick?), but it doesn't purge any chemicals in the bloodstream. Then when you need to treat a patient that has toxin damage, you won't have to worry about purging any beneficial chemicals already in their bloodstream

[rockpecker]

Literally everyone ever is requesting a REVERT with overdose mechanics added.

I don't see how mashing the two systems together accomplishes this - it's even worse.

Where's the part where this makes sleepers useful?

[DemonFiren]

Sleepers were mildly more useful with trekchems. Bicaridine/Dermaline/Kelotane versus salglu, you know.

Not sure how far salglu's been buffed now, though.