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Bottom post of the previous page:

The various randomized posters seem to add their title and description to the base rather than replace it.
That's a poster - Obey- Free Drone.
A large piece of space-resistant printed paper. A poster instructing the viewer to obey authority. This poster commemorates the bravery of the rogue drone banned by CentComm.

You may want to consider removing the auto rifles from the armoury.

Or keep them, you already did what I wanted to do and keep the rifles but remove the excess magazines. If only that update was on the server more than twenty four hours.

Meta didn't have any extra magazines when I played earlier.

What i have noticed is, theres now an empty maintenence room in south eastern escape that links with the xenobio windows. What is this room for and why is it so weird?

The RD got his own hardsuit on Box recently. Any chance that it will get added to meta?

Edit: Just realized that it's at the toxins testing launch area. I'd move it to the RD's office, so that it's more in line with the other heads who have hardsuits in their offices.

Gang won by placing the dom on the AI Sat exterior because the place was called "Hallway"

Fix that shit

Takeguru wrote:Gang won by placing the dom on the AI Sat exterior because the place was called "Hallway"

Fix that shit

Looks like a code issue, more info here.

Think I'll remove autorifles with the next update though, would welcome any thoughts on that.

The autorifles are why the Meta armoury is better than the Box armoury. Maybe remove two and add some buckshot boxes in the ammunition locker?

I just noticed that the AI foyer turret control console, does in fact not control the turrets in the AI foyer.

CPTANT wrote:I just noticed that the AI foyer turret control console, does in fact not control the turrets in the AI foyer.

This had only started recently, not sure why exactly. Will look into it.

Keep at least one Steelrifle I guess. Metastation is more generous and luxurious than Box, something that I love about it. It should only mirror Box on things that are expected or required. (Such as the Captain having his laser, the HoP having Ian, or there being a medbay on the station)

It's probably just me but I find the visual "clutter" on MetaStation a bit much. The copious amount of hazard markings in every corner of the map and posters on the walls being culprits. There's nothing explicitly bad about it - it just makes the cognitive aspect of the game more taxing.

CPTANT wrote:I just noticed that the AI foyer turret control console, does in fact not control the turrets in the AI foyer.

Looks like Jordie worked out what went wrong and has fixed it.

More detail here.

invisty wrote:It's probably just me but I find the visual "clutter" on MetaStation a bit much. The copious amount of hazard markings in every corner of the map and posters on the walls being culprits. There's nothing explicitly bad about it - it just makes the cognitive aspect of the game more taxing.

I guess I'm used to how much I've added compared to box. I feel box is really empty myself, guess it's all relative to your frame of reference. When I see densely packed and busy areas on other codebases I feel much as you describe.

i like your map metacide.

Thanks, good to hear.

Just submitted a small update:

MetaStation v41I (01/11/2015):

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/858120/Static/SS13/MetaStation/15-11-01%2016-19%20MSv41I%20Full%20-%20800.png[/img]
(Image of the station, click for full-size)

• Added lethal shotgun ammo locker and rubber buckshot boxes to the armory
  Added independent area designation to armory (formerly part of brig control)
  Added more flashes to the AI chamber to give AIs more delaying power against borg attacks
  Added camera monitor to AI chamber foyer letting borgs see in to open the blast door
  Added windows to the mailroom conveyor to stop mail falling off it
  Added a few posters to non-command non-security areas of the station
  Added more twists and turns to some of the long, straight paths in maintenance
  Added winter boots to various lockers in the locker room
  Gave roboticists access to the R&D lab
  Moved AI holopads off vents on the MiniSat walkway
  Remove most autorifles - one remains in the warden's locker.
  Removed posters from command/security areas
  Removed random grille spawns blocking areas of maintenance
  Removed duplicate intercom in the teleporter room
  Renamed Secure Lab to Xenobiology again for slime management system

Will also add Kor's slime management console system once this goes through.

comfydorms when?
No other part of the station has been completely gutted and redesigned as the crew quarter has, and I miss the view of space we had.

There's a set of shutters with the AI-Core door that can be shut from the inside to prevent intruders. I get why this is a thing but all it really does is exist to let the AI essentially bolt+depower the door without the disadvantage of losing environment power. This fucks over syndiborgs really bad, to the point where its considered a bannable offense if AIs do this roundstart.

Its probably a good idea to remove the shutters until shit is sorted out with the syndiborg meta stats or something.

Can't they just crowbar it open?

Syndi borgs don't have crowbars

They do, but shutters can only be crowbarred if its depowered, same with blast doors.

So, no, they still can't get in.

MMMiracles wrote:They do, but shutters can only be crowbarred if its depowered, same with blast doors.

So, no, they still can't get in.

They actually can, as the shutter isn't on the core APC, it's on the APC in the foyer with turrets.

Toxins/toxin storages has way too many empty canisters, don't really need that much, would be better to add one more o2 canister aswell!

You should add some of these so called canvas items to art storage or something, they seem really cool from what I can tell and might be a cool little thing you can add since from what I can see is a pretty solid map so far.

That's a great idea actually. Can you also add an airlock painter in there if you get around to it?


Also there seems to be way too many plasma canisters in toxins storage than there should be. I've been in numerous blob rounds where they got burst open and a ridiculous amount of plasma locked the crew out of fighting the blob for 10+ minutes.

I checked box and both stations have 4 toxins canisters, seems normal. But sure, I'll replace one of the empty canisters with an O2 one to match the 4 toxins canisters.

Should be an airlock painter in art storage already, but I'll definitely add some painting/canvas stuff.

There's no spare circuit imprinter board in tech storage.
Easy game for a smart blob.

The back of the bar is missing a stack of metal and glass to build rage cages with

bumping this because it'd be really nice to have those materials for rage cages

Zilenan91 wrote:bumping this because it'd be really nice to have those materials for rage cages

dont forget the wire for the rare disco bar

There's already wire in the locker but there's not enough.

Well the barkeep is literally 15 paces away from art storage with like 8 stacks of wire but alright

Minor bug with the tesla, the shocks are rebounding into maintenance and breaking those airlocks/shockign anyone in that area. Putting a few grounding rods on the opposite sides of the current two ought to fix it, so it's a simple fix. In theory.

Exosuit fab board is missing in tech storage.

Atmos has a red phone on a desk that can't be reached due to computer consoles reeeeeee
EDIT: Shift the alert consoles one tile west and replace that newly empty space with a table reeeeeeeeee

The HoP's ID swiper can't be reached from the ground. You have to climb the table.

Zilenan91 wrote:The HoP's ID swiper can't be reached from the ground. You have to climb the table.

It must have been designed for Mekhi as HoP!

The stacks of glass in Engineering each have only 12 sheets instead of 50.

I've found deleting the safety signs around the singulo/tesla area fixes it destroying the airlocks and cameras

Let's see, now.

Atmospherics aft-starboard section has a single missing glass window, right there in the corner by the table with the paper bin on it.
Also, the mix tank's controls are fucked: gas input/output settings don't always work (make that a never for output, actually.)

DemonFiren wrote: Also, the mix tank's controls are fucked: gas input/output settings don't always work (make that a never for output, actually.)

I've only had that happen once. And it was when you messed with it.

Derpu wrote:

DemonFiren wrote: Also, the mix tank's controls are fucked: gas input/output settings don't always work (make that a never for output, actually.)

I've only had that happen once. And it was when you messed with it.

Curiously enough this shit never worked for me.
Evidently the map developer has something against me.
HELP I AM BEING METAGRUDGED

Submitted a minor update on GitHub, if it interests anyone

MetaStation v41J (11/05/2016):

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/858120/Static/SS13/MetaStation/16-05-13%20MSv41J%20Full%20-%20800.png[/img]
(Image of the station, click here for full-size)

MetaStation v41J Changelog:

• Added extra grounding rods to the engine area to stop the tesla destroying some cameras. The main sign-conduction issue had already been fixed.
  Added missing circuit boards to tech storage to match current box boards - exosuit fabricator, circuit imprinter, teleporter, and AI integrity restorer boards.
  Added some glass, metal, and more wire to the bar backroom closet to allow for easier remodelling.
  Added a selection of blank canvas to art storage and some easels to maint.
  Added cameras to each xenobiology containment pen so the slime computers don't bug out so often.
  Added missing indoor window pane in atmos by one of the computers.
  Added a custom name to the armory securitron, which now also starts active and will by default detain unknowns and those holding guns without clearance.
  Added formal uniform crate to the armory anteroom.
  Adjusted layout of the aft arm of the engine area, making it a separate maint tunnel which is part of the engineering escape pod area.
  Adjusted positions of some machines in the cargo office and QM office so the cargo APC and other items can be accessed properly again.
  Adjusted interrogation access - now anyone with brig access can get in, such as the lawyer.
  Anchored the O2 lockers in the engine room airlocks to stop them being dragged out by spacewind every time the airlocks are used.
  Fixed glass sheet stacks in engineering having 12 sheets not 50.
  Fixed the mutli-belt typo.
  Fixed maint autodrobe incorrectly requiring theatre access.
  Fixed some of the emergency shuttle exit airlocks requiring certain access levels.
  Moved the portable flashes out into the armory anteroom, adding racks to where they were, which hold extra flashes, tear gas grenades, emergency doughnuts, and a rack of barrier grenades.
  Moved HoP keycard authentication device so it can be reached without having to clamber on a table.
  Replaced an empty canister in toxins with a fourth O2 canister.
  Replaced some blood and gibs present on roundstart with their correct 'old' variants.
  The cloning APC now starts unlocked.
  Removed version suffix on filename in keeping with other maps.

I feel like toxins, or at least science somewhere needs a heater.
If I want a heater I have to take apart the cooler and switch it, which I feel like is an unnecessary pain.

I have no strong feelings one way or the other, but why was the library made into a windowless fortress with only one door? I feel like it isolates an already sidelined job and makes people less likely to visit than before

I think the AI satellite isn't actually connected to the main powernet properly. Mind checking the wire near the external area of the satellite, specifically near the APC?

Meta add these stools to the bar & kitchen portion instead of the current ones, also the maint bar as well:

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/18263

I think you can make any heater a freezer or vice versa by screwdrivering it open and wrenching it, or something like that.

Regarding the station and MiniSat having separate powernets, it's intentional - but you can easily connect the two, if you want to powersink the lot or recharge the MiniSat or whatever. MiniSat has independent power that should last hours and hours, though.

The new bar stools were kindly recently added by Xhuis.

As for the library being more secluded, it was suggested and I thought I'd give it a go. The only people who really noticed though were those who disliked it, so I'll change it back when I next have the time.

I like the secluded library

On the library: keep both entrances, but lose the windows.

Will look into changing a few MetaStation things in due course. In the meantime looking at a Mini-Station sort of thing, designed for ~20 pop : Captain, Lieutenant, 3xSec, 3xSci, 3xMed, 3xEng, 3xCargo, 3xCiv. If anyone has any thoughts on how best to do this, do fire away.

If anyone's interested, this is what I have so far (not much, just bridge+sec):

Looks good so far. With Birdboat seemingly being voted off the island by casuals we need a new nice lowpop map