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Bottom post of the previous page:

Step One
https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/7537

Step Two
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2815

Ikky linked to it before I could

You want better roleplaying? Then you want this.

By the way, thanks for the very insightful post, ausops. If you're still interested in talking though we can still do that (If we can ever be online at the same time)

Personally, any chance the Lawyer has to RP, and sue for freedom is usually shutdown by security, and Borgs do an Okay job usually Roleplaying.
Just my opinion.

I feel like Lawyer and Chaplain are two jobs that would work best when an admin is doing them and blurring the line a little. Or at least cooperating somehow.

Being able to talk to sec officers IC as a lawyer when they're actually fucking something up, with the ability to actually enforce that OOC behind them makes the lawyer make sense. Otherwise they just whine and hope someone in sec humors them. It's a job that hints at responsibilities and powers (overseeing sec, holding them accountable for abuses) that regular players just don't have.

Likewise a Chaplain as an IC recipient of prayers who is also able to reach behind the curtain and answer them for people who actually demonstrate the faith makes sense and gives them a purpose outside of cult rounds. IIRC Kor used to play as a Chaplain all the time. Wonder why?

TBH though I don't think anyone uses them this way. I don't, it feels a little too close to badminnery and I would want some kind of understanding and acceptance of that blurring between adminning and playing before anyone attempted to use either role like that. It would be using your adminpowers centered around your IC interactions and that's sacrilege.

But perhaps doing it in moderation, and the meta-knowledge that "Hey that lawyer might actually get me barred from playing sec if I act like shit, hey that chaplain might actually be able to grant my prayers and wishes" might get people to take them more seriously and roleplay with them more.

We could always go the Internal Affairs Agent route for the Lawyer. Give him his own direct link to Centcom that badmins could pay special attention to similar to the Captains Comms console. It might encourage people to take the Lawyers more seriously if they actually have a direct link to a higher authority.

If we did go the route of giving the Lawyer(Or a IA Officer) actual OOC and IC power, they would have to be heavily regulated as well as immune to being a round start antagonist (loyalty implants as well). They would also have to be held to a very high standard.

Right now Lawyers are simply a annoyance most of the time.

As is if we need to badmin and yell at sec IC we do the ol' visiting Centcom Officer inspection routine.

Giving the average lawyer the ability to contact centcomm could work in cases where they're trying to ICly report shitcurity abuses. Kind of like how the Captain can call the ERT, the Lawyer can call the Officer?

After talking about the chaplain above it gave me an idea that might make the chaplain more important/interesting and improve/encourage more roleplay opportunities there.

An0n3 wrote:As is if we need to badmin and yell at sec IC we do the ol' visiting Centcom Officer inspection routine.

Giving the average lawyer the ability to contact centcomm could work in cases where they're trying to ICly report shitcurity abuses. Kind of like how the Captain can call the ERT, the Lawyer can call the Officer?

After talking about the chaplain above it gave me an idea that might make the chaplain more important/interesting and improve/encourage more roleplay opportunities there.

Three people should ideally have IC contact with admins, the captain, the chaplain, and the AI. I've done it with all three and I've found it to be very enjoyable and very useful into turning shit rounds into better rounds. I think it would be less immersion breaking if the AI were forced to do it through a console like the captain can, like maybe it gets its own coms console in its core it can use to make announcements when bridge is kill and give him some sort of "contact centcom" button on it. And possibly give the lawyers some form of console to do the same in their office, forcing inspections or something and making shitcurity and condoms actually accountable to someone if they refuse to shape up and admins want to keep it IC.

But yeah some chime or audio indication whenever a prayer is received on the admin's end would be ideal if you guys do manage to restrict prayers.

The AI can use the same consoles that are available on the bridge.

Violaceus wrote:It depends on what means "roleplaying" at all.

I would like to see less:
- retarded names like Rob Ust or Ayl Mao or Primarch Vulkan
- AIs talking like teenager humans
- stupid Central Command Announcements
- powergaming

I would like to see more:
- roleplaying pain and fear
- AIs behaving like artifical intelligence "should"
- clowns and mimes performing actual comedy acts


inb4 bay

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? I changed it

SOS made a poll about murderbone being punished and the community chose that antag murderboner be allowed.

You can't have both roleplay and deathmatch antags.

Violaceus wrote:Changed what?

Names

I spent a whole round as an AI speaking mostly (90% of the time, maybe) as you could expect from an AI.

The result? People telling you to stop talking like a nerd.
Maybe they like being called abortions, and AIs that smack talk more than a dozen greyshits and one clown.

on the other hand i spent a few AI rounds being speaking and acting as close to a glorified talking calculator as possible and the crew received me fairly well

I once spent a whole round not speaking at all except for when 'STATE LAWS AI'

and another one where I was HYPERSPACE THE DRILL SERGEANT and whipped the crew into shape.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I once spent a whole round not speaking at all except for when 'STATE LAWS AI'

and another one where I was HYPERSPACE THE DRILL SERGEANT and whipped the crew into shape.

Sometimes, I play a Lizardman called Calls-The-Shuttle.

Guess what he does.

We have plenty of "roleplay", its just that people are going on about "roleplay" as if you have to be baybies. And it tends to break down into a violent struggle to survive when you get up to 80+ players. Also "roleplay".

>roleplay
Did you mean "barely-disguised valids"?

I play the occasional round on sibyl and holy shit do i ever see why people hate playing security there. No one says a GOD DAMN WORD over the radio on higher population rounds. There is no coordination and it makes the job nothing more than a silent validhunt with a nice red shirt and a taser.

I know this is a filthy necropost or whatever but seriously why did this never go anywhere. Also not like this forum is ever used so the necroposting doesn't REALLY matter. Maybe we could try having another discussion about rp on the servers, with the shit that's changed since the last post?

I-I rp...

lol look at these newfags

oranges wrote:lol look at these newfags

yeah sorry oranges i know you're the standard of quality around here

People do roleplay on both servers. The problem is people believing roleplay is exclusively sitting in the bar and treating the game like a glorified chat box.

ancient thread jesus christ

actual debate: do you think current day sybil or current day bagil has more roleplaying

I only ever really play sybil so I can't comment but those of you who swap, tell us

Qbopper wrote:actual debate: do you think current day sybil or current day bagil has more roleplaying

I only ever really play sybil so I can't comment but those of you who swap, tell us

I've seen people saying things like "I haven't played on /tg/ station before." and things like "(OOC) Do you know which way to go?" on both servers
I've seen one admin trying to tell people not to say "gg" in IC only to have five people jump on them for it.

I've seen almost no RP on either server in a long time.
But that may just be my experience.

There's a lot less OOC in IC talk on Sybil though.

Guys, I hate to be "that guy" but if you're going to measure which server "RP's more" you're gonna have to define your terms. How are you quantifying roleplay?

Engaging in believable interactions given the situation, rank and other context within the confines of the game world and your character.

cedarbridge wrote:Guys, I hate to be "that guy" but if you're going to measure which server "RP's more" you're gonna have to define your terms. How are you quantifying roleplay?

not acting like a retard who only plays to click those sprites into horizontal

Kraso wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:Guys, I hate to be "that guy" but if you're going to measure which server "RP's more" you're gonna have to define your terms. How are you quantifying roleplay?

not acting like a retard who only plays to click those sprites into horizontal

Then yes most people, in both servers, roleplay.

I'd say "actually attempts to play as a character that is interacting with other people" - you can not be a retard looking for a target and not really be RPing

Qbopper wrote:I'd say "actually attempts to play as a character that is interacting with other people" - you can not be a retard looking for a target and not really be RPing

pretty sure that falls under "not acting like a retard"

what if you roleplay a retard

it's possible

i was only pretending

Roleplaying is pretty easy to define tbh. Since people always pull the "WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ROLEPLAY WE CANT DISCUSS THIS IF YOU DONT DEFINE IT" and then it just becomes an arguement about semantics and what roleplay is in your eyes etc etc. Let's just jump over completely and just say that roleplaying is playing a character that isn't you.

No self inserts, and don't do the shit that you would do. Just stop being a neckbeard for ONE 40 minute interval and stop spouting memes and do something that a functional and productive member of society would do.

That's pretty simple uh? If we take that as our definition and then put the base line for "roleplay" as not even having to emote anything, just talk like a productive member of society, act nice or gruff or whatever without spouting stupid memes and don't fucking run halfway across the station to murder someone because "m-muh valids" that's can be counted as your average roleplayer. Of course, this being /tg/ that's actually not really roleplay, imagine if you played a D&Desque game where describing the actions does not occur. The DM tells you to roll dice and you do and then he spouts a number and thats it. Barring basic verbs that's the entire game. Let me tell you as a person that's played a ton of roleplaying games, I would straight up walk out and leave the game if that shit was occuring. When you degenerate roleplaying to the levels that it's gotten to in SS13 that is basically what has been achieved. We have turned a roleplaying game into a game about simple verbs and sprites.

That's what basically all servers bar the ones with extremely authoritarian rulesets have turned to. The ironic bit is the fact that the worst part of the game, the laggy ass functionally broken combat is considered the best bit of the game by a majority of the server occupants. This was always going to happen though, and that's the natural progression of the server. At the danger of sound like Psyentific by saying this, this server's roleplaying death started as soon as it extended beyond just being a pure "/tg/" server. The evidence, whilst circumstancial, is there. Look at how roleplaying throughout the years went down as the oldguard of actual /tg/ posters died down. Whilst I agree, correlation does not equal causation it's not hard to see. Majority of players don't really give two fucks about roleplaying, and I can see why. You're average joe just came back from work, he doesn't want to put any thought into pretending to be another character, he wants to get some cheap fun and thrill and kill some people or whatever. I have no real empathy for these players, in the actual sense of the word. I do not understand the fun of the people that start a round, wait a couple of minutes scratching their ballsack, finding all the "right equipment" for the eventual antag call so they can go rush into the middle of it, kill anyone that moves and if they die "so be it.". I get that it must be fun, but it just doesn't click for me. It makes no sense. My idea of fun is making relationships with people whilst stupid shit occurs around me. I love seeing the reaction of people to stupid absurd situations, and a lot of people must do as well because the stories thread has always been one of the best threads, but that has turned less of "wow look at this cool and stupid absurd shit thats happened and how people dealt with it" to a glorified "I'm so fucking robust" masturbation marathon.

I've always said this, the laissez-faire attitude to roleplay and hoping, no, wishing it gets better is not good enough. The /tg/ conundrum is that some people want roleplay, but they do not want the strong arming that comes with it. We want structure but we don't want rules that enforce that structure. Talk shit about bays rules but I actually applaud them. You either comform to their ideals or you leave or get kicked out. Their roleplay atmosphere is still going strong, and sure, you get the horror stories of their admins. Heck, I've been a victim to their questionable admins, I literally got a 3 day ban for using stun and then lasering syndies as the HoP, but that is the price you pay if you want the level of roleplay they wish to maintain.

I guess this has been my biannual lengthy post about roleplaying in regard to the /tg/ server. I think it's a coping mechanism, if I just shit post all the time I think I'll break or some shit. Take it or leave it, just don't @ me about this, it's all my opinions. I think my opinions are so hardset by this point in regards to this garbage that you may as well not bother trying to argue about it with me. I won't budge.

I think the problem with wanting such heavy RP on /tg/ is that the majority of players don't want that

I like having an in between where you're still maintaining that you're a character and acting realistically to the setting, but having a loose and wacky setting to give people some leeway in how they act

The paradox where the majority of players on /tg/station do not want more roleplaying.


fade me fam.

it's not /tg/station as in "the /tg/ station", but its own entity now

*blocks your path*

*graps paprika and pushes them against the wall*

back off

tfw there are no servers with good rp that don't autistically enforce it
just fuck my shit up

CosmicScientist wrote:

oranges wrote:*graps paprika and pushes them against the wall*

back off

Now we know who's first against the wall.

*grins and teleports behind u*

Nothing personell kid

lzimann wrote:

Kraso wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:Guys, I hate to be "that guy" but if you're going to measure which server "RP's more" you're gonna have to define your terms. How are you quantifying roleplay?

not acting like a retard who only plays to click those sprites into horizontal

Then yes most people, in both servers, roleplay.

I'd like to disagree. Most of the "IC conflicts" I experience are quite literally wordless assistants/chemists/botanists assaulting you without any prior interaction so that they can escalate into murder if you dare to throw a punch in self defense. Or strip you and steal all your stuff if you don't.

Speaking of validkilling, RP and IC crime, I miss mafia tiding. It involved people dressing up as mobsters every single round, then go around and recruit assistants into their family, steal/build/order weapons, take over hydro/chem, host gambles, kidnap people and of course, protect their family from traitors and sec alike. I think it was pretty fun to join the mafia, interact with them and even fight them. It got a lot of people to RP since it meant free valid kills but the escalation was still far better than the mess that I see these days.

In fact, can we bring mafiatide back? I'd much rather be killed by some mobsters who I owe protection money than random mute killbait assistants.

why's htis thread sittl here also welcom eback tokiko you are my favorite person from this godforsaken place

>why is this thread still here
>thread has been dead for 10 days

please stop

Yes, thread necro. Better than making a thread for it, as it's still relevant.

Years of people encouraging a lower standard of roleplay by using Bay as a boogeyman, coupled with historical revisionism claiming that we never roleplayed in the first place, has brought our servers' standards of roleplay down to next to nothing. At this point the only ways I could feasibly see this being fixed is if a large number of players coordinate themselves to encourage roleplay, which will never happen, or if admins start enforcing a higher standard of roleplay through rules and the like, which would likely kill or at least greatly injure the server.

Best thing to do is to discourage the shittiest of the shitters from playing here, and hope that RP mindsets gradually creep their way back up. Maybe we need carrots for RP behaviour.

There is no roleplay at all on /tg/station.

Colonial Marines and Lifeweb, one being a pure combat oriented game and the other having literally no rules, both have higher standards of roleplay than we do.

Though to be fair I think this is what people want.

Steelpoint wrote:There is no roleplay at all on /tg/station.

Colonial Marines and Lifeweb, one being a pure combat oriented game and the other having literally no rules, both have higher standards of roleplay than we do.

Though to be fair I think this is what people want.

Lifeweb's one golden rule is basically roleplay or die

Colonial marines, you got a point there

Lifeweb also enforces it a bit by roles being proficient in certain things. The only people who can do surgery are the Escalup and Serpents, the Baron despite being the "captain" is mediocre in doing anything, only the Innkeeper can make great food, etc, etc. The game play mechanics heavily encourage roleplay and interaction as no single person can do everything by themselves.

The critical difference is that CM admins actually make an effort to enforce a moderate amount of roleplay and will and do ban players for acting uncharacteristically. They are not as extreme as HRP servers but they do expected a modicum of realism, such as a Grunt Marine not knowing how to perform surgery, or an engineer being able to operate a complicated personal weapons system.

We have none of that, a Assistant can be just as good as surgery as the Chief Medical Officer, a Botanist can be just as trained in complex weapons as a Syndicate Nuclear Operative, a miner can undertake research as well as a qualified Scientist, etc, etc.

I'm not suggesting we need to change anything, but this is what the reality is. There is no incentive to roleplay, both in administration and gameplay mechanics.