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Its no better when after 10 minutes of digging minerals miners do the same thing to science but instead break in usually taking the minerals with them and forcing the scientists to stop what they are doing immediately as to make boss killing weapons when evidently they just digged all those minerals before relatively unaided and have plenty of tools in the mining vendor? (or somehow steal boards to build R&D in cargo) lots of workspace invaders, its a universal problem.

Cherrypone wrote:

Lazengann wrote:

Qbopper wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:God forbid chemistry doesn't produce only mutagen

seriously holy shit is waiting 30 seconds for them to finish what they're doing to give you memefuel to flood the station with annoying shit that they probably don't want you to grow anyways

I don't grow dumb shit I just make medbay virtually obsolete with my healing apples

How the fuck would you feel if a chef or chemist broke into botany roundstart because they needed plants and didn't want to wait for you to grow them or even ask, because 'botanists never do their job anyways'?

"How the fuck would you feel if a greyshirt broke into Engineering roundstart because they needed gloves & mats and didn't want to wait for you to start building shit or ask because engineers never do their job anyway?"

FantasticFwoosh wrote:"How the fuck would you feel if a greyshirt broke into Engineering roundstart because they needed gloves & mats and didn't want to wait for you to start building shit or ask because engineers never do their job anyway?"

I don't understand are you agreeing or disagreeing

Cherrypone wrote:

Lazengann wrote:

Qbopper wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:God forbid chemistry doesn't produce only mutagen

seriously holy shit is waiting 30 seconds for them to finish what they're doing to give you memefuel to flood the station with annoying shit that they probably don't want you to grow anyways

I don't grow dumb shit I just make medbay virtually obsolete with my healing apples

How the fuck would you feel if a chef or chemist broke into botany roundstart because they needed plants and didn't want to wait for you to grow them or even ask, because 'botanists never do their job anyways'?

That's fine and happens often. They often let me take over if I let them know I'll watch it but if they want to grow something they can go ahead. Things I also don't mind: Assistants sneaking into cargo to use the autolathe, scientists going to lavaland to break rocks with bombs, and non geneticists using the cloner.

Qbopper wrote:

FantasticFwoosh wrote:"How the fuck would you feel if a greyshirt broke into Engineering roundstart because they needed gloves & mats and didn't want to wait for you to start building shit or ask because engineers never do their job anyway?"

I don't understand are you agreeing or disagreeing

Staying neutral, im poking fun at the statement but also drawing a example of where else it might be realistically applied. Its not a false statement however, if you just omit the words greyshirt for atmos & intent for setting up the roundstart engine because engineers not doing anything.

Lazengann wrote:That's fine and happens often. They often let me take over if I let them know I'll watch it but if they want to grow something they can go ahead. Things I also don't mind: Assistants sneaking into cargo to use the autolathe, scientists going to lavaland to break rocks with bombs, and non geneticists using the cloner.

Then you're missing the point

some people want to do the job that has them interact with others

If you want to let the chef grow his own food that's bully for you but that doesn't change the fact you're pissing the fuck out of people who aren't okay with you doing things like that

There's a garden on most station maps, but its halfway across the station, while the hydroponics next door to you has a private agenda to secretly replace medbay & weaponise its crops whilst ignoring or under-delivering your orders directly.

Meanwhile your chef food which serves as buffs & art has to make do with no wheat to make future bread, barely any supplies. Bartender also has a long face to not make any exotic drinks like easy singulo from bluespace bananas.

> On metastation there is a shared door so the chef can just invade your space if you're not in, however on box there's a annoying windoor and usually people just deconstruct it because getting into box hydro to do stuff yourself (not that the chef should need to) is a pain in the ass.

Qbopper wrote: Then you're missing the point

some people want to do the job that has them interact with others

If you want to let the chef grow his own food that's bully for you but that doesn't change the fact you're pissing the fuck out of people who aren't okay with you doing things like that

Well personally I find working together to grow things for cool drinks and food items gives me many more chances to interact and make friends than awkwardly standing still by the fridge and talking from different rooms does. I don't like fun that comes at the expense of others. If the chef has more fun by growing his own tomatoes, I'm not going to deny him that just so I can feel important and needed by making him wait for me. I do my own projects to get that feeling.

Lazengann wrote:I don't like fun that comes at the expense of others.

Lazengann wrote:Right now I just move the fridge and deconstruct the table and I'm out of there with the prize in like six seconds.

As soon as the freeze is over I'll PR this. I've been meaning to do it anyways

BeeSting12 wrote:As soon as the freeze is over I'll PR this. I've been meaning to do it anyways

Hugbox

cedarbridge wrote:

Lazengann wrote:I don't like fun that comes at the expense of others.

Lazengann wrote:Right now I just move the fridge and deconstruct the table and I'm out of there with the prize in like six seconds.

Do you think I'm taking dispensers when there's two chemists inside?

Lazengann wrote:

BeeSting12 wrote:As soon as the freeze is over I'll PR this. I've been meaning to do it anyways

Hugbox

How is this hugbox? Most of the maps already have it, it makes IC sense seeing as RnD and EVA are both r-walled, and they make arguably less dangerous items. From what I can tell, you're just a botany player still salty over the well deserved nerf and you break into chemistry every other round because you don't give a shit about other people, just making your meme plants. (by the way chemist or not I will space anyone who takes a chem dispenser)

BeeSting12 wrote:

Lazengann wrote:

BeeSting12 wrote:As soon as the freeze is over I'll PR this. I've been meaning to do it anyways

Hugbox

How is this hugbox? Most of the maps already have it, it makes IC sense seeing as RnD and EVA are both r-walled, and they make arguably less dangerous items. From what I can tell, you're just a botany player still salty over the well deserved nerf and you break into chemistry every other round because you don't give a shit about other people, just making your meme plants. (by the way chemist or not I will space anyone who takes a chem dispenser)

You call me salty but that last sentence reveals you to be a salt golem, begone.

no it's just my personal policy. anyone stealing a chem dispenser is a s h i t t e r (fuck you wordfilter) and deserves to die.

>I run out of the lab to go get a bluespace beaker from R&D

>Some faggot jacks all my shit

Lazengann wrote:

Cherrypone wrote:

Lazengann wrote:

Qbopper wrote:

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How the fuck would you feel if a chef or chemist broke into botany roundstart because they needed plants and didn't want to wait for you to grow them or even ask, because 'botanists never do their job anyways'?

That's fine and happens often. They often let me take over if I let them know I'll watch it but if they want to grow something they can go ahead. Things I also don't mind: Assistants sneaking into cargo to use the autolathe, scientists going to lavaland to break rocks with bombs, and non geneticists using the cloner.

No but it's like what if they wrenched up your trays, vending machines, took the gene splicer, and then said no fuck you I need this for my job not like you do it anyway lmao. then the three botanists have to share half of what they had before.

BeeSting12 wrote: No but it's like what if they wrenched up your trays, vending machines, took the gene splicer, and then said no fuck you I need this for my job not like you do it anyway lmao. then the three botanists have to share half of what they had before.

Stop you butthurt embarrassment. It'd be like someone taking half of the botany trays while nobody was using them. I think out of all the times I've taken the dispenser only once or twice have they ever asked for it back.

I'm not butthurt. I'm just giving you the equivalent of it for botany. You're taking job critical equipment from medical when you can just ask for what you need. And of course they don't ask for it back, who asks for things in ss13?

itt i read first page and lose so much respect for lazengann when i realize he's a botany greyshit who deserves nothing and suddenly like the idea of the thread just to deny botanshits and co. who steal dispensers when i used to scream hugbox.
also if you steal chemistry's shit and they validsaled you don't expect them to not retaliate and if i'm playing chemist or anyone else i'll be the first one to shoot you with a one hit down if not one hit kill and if i'm security i'll just storm your department for it, no one has to put up with your shit that you brag about.

I'm not actually a shit as hopefully people who play with me can attest I just employ a lot of hyperbole to get my feelings across.

Lazengann wrote: That's fine and happens often. They often let me take over if I let them know I'll watch it but if they want to grow something they can go ahead. Things I also don't mind: Assistants sneaking into cargo to use the autolathe, scientists going to lavaland to break rocks with bombs, and non geneticists using the cloner.

using the autolathe to print off a multitool is one thing, stealing the fucking thing because "cargotechs never do their job anyways" would be quite another and you can expect to be tossed into the path of the shuttle for it
likewise stealing the cloner will get you hunted down and killed
the point isn't using other people's shit, it's depriving them of the use of it when they have a much greater need for it than you do

Screemonster wrote:

Lazengann wrote: That's fine and happens often. They often let me take over if I let them know I'll watch it but if they want to grow something they can go ahead. Things I also don't mind: Assistants sneaking into cargo to use the autolathe, scientists going to lavaland to break rocks with bombs, and non geneticists using the cloner.

using the autolathe to print off a multitool is one thing, stealing the fucking thing because "cargotechs never do their job anyways" would be quite another and you can expect to be tossed into the path of the shuttle for it
likewise stealing the cloner will get you hunted down and killed
the point isn't using other people's shit, it's depriving them of the use of it when they have a much greater need for it than you do

No listen

OK pay attention I'm gonna say this once and real quiet like

There are two dispensers but one cloner

Lazengann wrote:I'm not actually a shit as hopefully people who play with me can attest I just employ a lot of hyperbole to get my feelings across.

>I was only pretending to be retarded, I do it so people will understand me

???

If you think I think my shitposting out you are sorely mistaken

Qbopper stop feeding the trolls

three whole pages for a problem that could have been fixed with two shutters and a button.

even im not that autistic, and thats saying a fucking lot

John_Oxford wrote:three whole pages for a problem that could have been fixed with two shutters and a button.

even im not that autistic, and thats saying a fucking lot

nah they enter through 1 of two ways:

1. weld the wall directly above the chem dispenser and wrench it away
2. wrench the vendor, move it, wrench the table, wrench dispenser and run

What if

he just gets banned

Saegrimr wrote:What if

he just gets banned

Screemonster wrote: the point isn't using other people's shit, it's depriving them of the use of it when they have a much greater need for it than you do

But the previous people for multiple reasons don't use it or use it as something of convenience. Nobody complains about public access machines, and putting a job role (without associated mandatory responsibility to do service and be a gatekeeper to avoid misuse AKA chemists) in charge of said machine is too frustrating for some people.

- The research director can link up a quantum pad & or go mining by hijacking the auxillary base.

Saegrimr wrote:What if

he just gets banned

Because I'm not going to ban someone because they may or may not do something without actual evidence? Dunno about the other admins but I'm not comfortable using hearsay as an excuse to lay down bans without some kind of proof, even if I believe they do it anyways, and I haven't seen him do it in game

Annex hydro to the cmo so he can go in and beat them when they pull this shit.

I think the whole 'powergaming botany' thing started when botany was pretty much needed for high tech levels, and if you didn't get them right away science would try to bomb you.

TheColdTurtle wrote:I think the whole 'powergaming botany' thing started when botany was pretty much needed for high tech levels, and if you didn't get them right away science would try to bomb you.

It started when the gene machine was moved in and it became more profitable (which fits into your timeline of tech level research dependency too) to simply spam levels to max, store the stats forever, then cheat via using GAIA trays for best statistic infinitely reproducable (with non-mutation & extra yield harvest botany chem) that can be broken down into similarly super strong seeds.

Gaia tray, max stats and a perennial growth killer tomato farm with 120 lifespan and infinite seeds from unused produce is the end result. Remember when botanists had to REALLY hunch over their produce to get a better than normal harvest? 100 potency without gene machine and purely from mutations after perfecting the plant genetics used to be a special feat only experienced botanists could pull off, since unstable mutagen was too unpredictable to waste on your valued plants.

Go back to the mutagen only days of botany when. Show these spoiled shits what hard work is

Qbopper wrote:I haven't seen him do it in game

Fair enough

FantasticFwoosh wrote:It started when the gene machine was moved in

That thing is ridiculous. I tried to get into botany before that little machine and it was annoying but doable.

TheColdTurtle wrote:I think the whole 'powergaming botany' thing started when botany was pretty much needed for high tech levels, and if you didn't get them right away science would try to bomb you.

Whatever science player thinks they need botany as the only way to do it and they also have miners needs to stop playing science unless they take an effort to get good
(Less rude version: if you depend on botany for levels you suck)

maybe we should just revert this game to what it was 3 years ago and see where we go from there

kevinz000 wrote:

TheColdTurtle wrote:I think the whole 'powergaming botany' thing started when botany was pretty much needed for high tech levels, and if you didn't get them right away science would try to bomb you.

Whatever science player thinks they need botany as the only way to do it and they also have miners needs to stop playing science unless they take an effort to get good
(Less rude version: if you depend on botany for levels you suck)

how is either one of those polite? totally agree though but still

When botanists are too dumb to make plants that produce mutagen

Ezel wrote:When botanists are too dumb to make plants that produce mutagen

haha and we thought sybil players were more robust :^)

cant make saltpetre plants

Lazengann wrote:cant make saltpetre plants

No, but if you can manage not to be an asocial jerk for a couple minutes science might bring you a chem dispensor that literally produces saltpetre with a single button press and a floral somatory.

It can also make infinite supply of mutagen, duuuuuuuuuuuuh

cedarbridge wrote: No, but if you can manage not to be an asocial jerk for a couple minutes science might bring you a chem dispensor that literally produces saltpetre with a single button press and a floral somatory.

I had to get science access to get anything while you were scientist yesterday

Just give botany a science channel, they have enough machines and R&D potential to warrant colluding with science.

> Remove gaia's current effects, make it last a limited time then refresh the tray to the maxmium levels, meaning that a upgraded tray will ALWAYS be superior to just applying gaia by itself but you can never leave a plant unattended, gaia needs regrowing & refreshment upon empty trays to consistently use (making you choose between long term farming a plant or ripping it up and replanting gaia to put a new plant ontop of.)

Upgrade tray with 0/100 water and 0/10 nutrients with upgraded manipulators and matter bins (WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN) to upgrade it to 0/300+ water and 0/50+ nutriment max, then add gaia, the plant will survive on gaia effects, but then the gaia wears off and the tray is refreshed to max and weeds/pests start growing again so its balanced.

cedarbridge wrote:a chem dispensor that literally produces saltpetre with a single button press.

Wot?

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Just give botany a science channel, they have enough machines and R&D potential to warrant colluding with science.

> Remove gaia's current effects, make it last a limited time then refresh the tray to the maxmium levels, meaning that a upgraded tray will ALWAYS be superior to just applying gaia by itself but you can never leave a plant unattended, gaia needs regrowing & refreshment upon empty trays to consistently use (making you choose between long term farming a plant or ripping it up and replanting gaia to put a new plant ontop of.)

Upgrade tray with 0/100 water and 0/10 nutrients with upgraded manipulators and matter bins (WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN) to upgrade it to 0/300+ water and 0/50+ nutriment max, then add gaia, the plant will survive on gaia effects, but then the gaia wears off and the tray is refreshed to max and weeds/pests start growing again so its balanced.

Botany already got nerfed

why dont i just revert botany

Botany powergame got boring I'm more into space bases now