BYOND account:Tom Tuttle banned by maxipat
Ban/note type (Server Ban/Discord Ban/Forum Ban/Note): Server ban on Terry
Ban/note duration: 3 days
Ban/note reason: Complicated, ''Grieffing''
Time ban was placed:today
Server you were playing on when banned:Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 253225
Why are you making this appeal? (Put an x in the boxes):
(x) - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
(x) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?:Because the game is supposed to promote experimintation. i was experimenting without a goal to harm persons experience in a long term, but mererly for a minute bother them.
in order to bring new experiences in the future.
(post writing edition) I would like this appeal to be reviewed by a third party administrator, due to concern of a personal agenda which might give a biased review. added here because i want this to be seen just incase halfway read and remains unseen.
Banned by host: You, or another user of this Computer or connection (Tom Tuttle) is banned from playing here. the reason is; R1 - As non-atnag botanist, detonated in total 5 capsaicin nutriment smoke grenades on medbay for purpose of ''testing'' them and figuring out how much makes people fat, it's not acceptable to grief people as nonatagonist -(yes they wrote nonatagonist). Also called someone a pedo earlier but i didn't want to hold the round to investigate it fully and they refused to answer my questions about it. This ban(banID #76314) was applied by Maxipat on 2025-06-15 13:41:31 during round ID 253225, The ban is for 3 days and expires on 2025-06-18 13:41:31 (server time).
So, for starters this is my attempt at a ban appeal though i do feel and think its futile and a waste of my time, but here we go.
Concerning the capscaisin in the nutriment grenade, it was in a small dose., As i know that a big one blinds a character for quite a while.
I admit i was using it yes, but it was a non lethal grenade with nutriment and the aformentioned ingredient.
My reasoning behind it simply because i wanted to test its effectiveness and reaction to it. Consenting people give a biased result, such as not moving out of the way, predicting it and moving out of too quickly the way. So that is the reason i couldn't ask for consent. keep in mind i acknowledge that its not appropriate for a non antagonist to do this.
especially if one is not a clown.
The grenade is just a thought experiment for ''expanding'' my ''arsenal'' my idea of a fun time and i think most of the ''crew's'' is not a max cap ttv nor ''powergaming''.
I thought that if in practise it would work well that i could integrate it into my antagonistic possibilities.
But this is how it turned out. My intention wasn't one of grieffing other people. As it isnt anything more than a minor nuissance after the smoke goes away. well on the chance if you don't get fat. in which caseif you do it is a easy fix to just go to science and make a lipid machine thingy
On an almost unrelated topic,im quite suprised that the ban issuing admin quoeted rule 1 to me dont be a dick be respectful etc. i wasnt capable of putting this out to the person before the round was ended, but this would have been my reply. perhaps you should message some other individuals and explain them rules of escalation.
Yes, i have read the rules. I am aware of them. though sometimes i think other's haven't. but i dont get upset and frustrated. it is only a game.
If everyone ahelp'ed everytime a nuissance occured then there would be no players playing the game, but thats my personal opinion. Though i can understand when for example a non antagonist keeps murdering people or detonates a lethal explosive etc.
'' Also called someone a pedo earlier but i didn't want to hold the round to investigate it fully and they refused to answer my questions about it.''
I did answer that it was unrelated to ''this'' admin sit
and it wasn't related to me until this ban.
im going to write this one informaly but still
the ''person'' ''being'' called a pedo was Bob, a rather known person to me and me to him. And no i didn't call him a pedo i will rephrase it as i said it in the round 99% correct to my memory not 100% because i might have misspelled ''Are you a pedo?
it was my attempt at humor. ill explain my reasoning behind this question to him.
he said that he needs potatoes, i let him in he said he wants to make baked potatoes. after that in a third statement he said just like in minecraft.
the keynote here is Minecraft
Many of the popular minecraft youtubers, those who have had a succesfull carear working as a child entertainer online are registered sex offenders
and their main audience is children.
so thats my attempt at humor, and bob is not a UNKOWN to me, we have played alot of shifts together. and as it was a conversation Held between ourselves IN botany with noone else around. it is UNRELATED to the capscaisin nutriment bomb detonations.
and it wasnt a statement it was a question. i didnt call him a pedo. though i am fan of psychology and i am interested as to why it piqued maxipat's interest im not going to get into that.
And i still think, maxipat if you're reading this.you indeed have a agenda against me, if i get it correct youre a supporter of lgbtq+ group, i think i spelled it correctly but anyway. and i have never ''vibed'' with them well, part or supporter. though i keep it out of my gameplay and in and out of character interactions with the fellow playerbase. Because you seem to have a rather ''short fuse'' and are quite obtuse. as most people relating to it are in my opinion. lacking any emotional callusses
If this ban appeal is accepted and nulled. i would also like it to be removed from my ''offenses'' in the record to my account. I also might add a admin complaint later if i feel like it about You lacking situanional awareness aswell as having a problem interpreting messages. Not to mention a personal agenda. and this is for all admins, admin trainees etc. why dont you know things? most of the time i ask something noone has the answer. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? antagonistic roles appear to me mostly when im in the middle of something else thus ruining both the non antag or antag round for me. im experimenting because you people are incapable of giving an answer most of the time. so what you want from me is to just do the same things same methods everybody else uses? just blow shit up yeah. LAME.
I also would like for this appeal to be reviewed by a unrelated admin. due to my concern of a personal agenda and thus a biased review.
Thank you - Known as Tom tuttle from tacoma, searc that in youtube, quite funny. and have a good day, well, not to you maxipat.
[Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
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distributivgesetz
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
Hiya, just to quickly explain how this works, your appeal will be reviewed by Maxipat first as they are the banning admin, and you two will be able to discuss the ban in this thread. If the appeal is denied or you aren't satisfied with how far the admin lowered the note/ban, you'll be able to request a headmin review and the headmins will reach their own conclusion about upholding the admin's decision or lowering it further. Note that a headmin review can only be requested once the banning admin has reached their own conclusion, which they'll share with you here. I hope this clears up any confusion about how we do appeals.
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
Well, since i try and tend to steer clear of trouble, and im unfamiliar with your way od doing things. I can reply here once the banning admin has responded and then bicker back and forth? or am i supposed to somehow do a reply to a reply? thanks.
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
You'll basically discuss the ban with the admin first, then at some point the admin makes a decision, and if you want to challenge that decision you can request a headmin review. Headmins then decide to uphold the decision or lower the punishment further.
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
alright, appreciated. though it wont be swift. or fair since i did technically insult him in this review. ill be waiting for maxipat's review.
if maxipat is the personality architype i suggested then i will be most likely requesting a head admin re review. thanks and cheerio
if maxipat is the personality architype i suggested then i will be most likely requesting a head admin re review. thanks and cheerio
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
Hi! Thanks for appealing. I'm gonna start with publicizing our ticket, since some questions in the appeal relate to it:
Now, to dismantle your appeal in parts:
I understand your need to test your stuff, but it shouldn't be happening at the cost of other player's wellbeing - first two nades went off while medbay was busy with corpses and mobs spawned from die of fate (admin shenanigans), other 3 went off while medbay was fighting a slaughter demon. Throughout the ticket i tried to give you hints so you can figure out what went wrong yourself - i even quoted the relevant rule 1 part so you can maybe connect your behavior to it, instead you doubled down, denying you did anything wrong (both in the ticket and here) and jumping to accuse me of having some weird agenda against you? I still don't get that part. About your intentions, while you might've not intended or saw this as "griefing", the players on receiving end certainly did feel like they're being griefed, enough for them to ahelp to ask whether you're an antagonist. Don't do stuff that has no purpose other than to make people upset. The whole ticket wouldn't even exist if you didn't decide that capsaicin somehow "makes it better", cause it was the only reason i bwoinked you - blinding and making random people dizzy.
On another note, admins are not omniscient and don't know everything - the issue isn't that you wanted to test the grenades, the issue was that you tested them in middle of public space hitting multiple people during an already chaotic round as nonantag.
Either way tl;dr:
I'm willing to fix the OhMyGodATypo in the note and remove part about pedophiles, though im not willing to reduce the ban. You didn't show any remorse or understanding why what you did was wrong and how it impacted other players.
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As i suggested in the ticket - you had a plenty other nondisruptive ways of testing your grenades - like using consenting test subjects, hosting a local server to test it on dummies or using monkeys that are scattered across the station. You instead decided to detonate 5 capsaicin nutriment smoke grenades in middle of medbayTomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:16 pm
Concerning the capscaisin in the nutriment grenade, it was in a small dose., As i know that a big one blinds a character for quite a while.
I admit i was using it yes, but it was a non lethal grenade with nutriment and the aformentioned ingredient.
My reasoning behind it simply because i wanted to test its effectiveness and reaction to it. Consenting people give a biased result, such as not moving out of the way, predicting it and moving out of too quickly the way. So that is the reason i couldn't ask for consent. keep in mind i acknowledge that its not appropriate for a non antagonist to do this.
especially if one is not a clown.
The grenade is just a thought experiment for ''expanding'' my ''arsenal'' my idea of a fun time and i think most of the ''crew's'' is not a max cap ttv nor ''powergaming''.
I thought that if in practise it would work well that i could integrate it into my antagonistic possibilities.
But this is how it turned out. My intention wasn't one of grieffing other people. As it isnt anything more than a minor nuissance after the smoke goes away. well on the chance if you don't get fat. in which caseif you do it is a easy fix to just go to science and make a lipid machine thingy
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[2025-06-15 12:57:57.703] ATTACK: tomtuttle/(Chris Ringer) (mob_3125) primed a chemical grenade at Medbay Treatment Center (64,76,2) containing: (large beaker 1 : Condensed Capsaicin, 10 | Potassium, 5 | Phosphorus, 5 | Nutriment, 79.9991); (large beaker 2 : Condensed Capsaicin, 10 | Sugar, 5 | Nutriment, 84.9983);. (Medbay Treatment Center (64,76,2))
[2025-06-15 12:58:19.695] ATTACK: tomtuttle/(Chris Ringer) (mob_3125) primed a chemical grenade at Medbay Treatment Center (51,72,2) containing: (large beaker 1 : Condensed Capsaicin, 10 | Sugar, 5 | Nutriment, 84.9994); (large beaker 2 : Condensed Capsaicin, 10 | Potassium, 5 | Phosphorus, 5 | Nutriment, 79.9991);. (Medbay Treatment Center (51,72,2))
[2025-06-15 13:17:35.592] ATTACK: tomtuttle/(Chris Ringer) (mob_3125) primed a chemical grenade at Medbay Treatment Center (63,75,2) containing: (large beaker 1 : Potassium, 20 | Phosphorus, 20 | Condensed Capsaicin, 10 | Nutriment, 50); (large beaker 2 : Sugar, 20 | Condensed Capsaicin, 10 | Nutriment, 69.9988);. (Medbay Treatment Center (63,75,2))
[2025-06-15 13:17:35.593] ATTACK: tomtuttle/(Chris Ringer) (mob_3125) primed a chemical grenade at Medbay Treatment Center (63,75,2) containing: (large beaker 1 : Capsaicin Oil, 56.9374 | Ethanol, 0.013 | Nutriment, 43.05); (large beaker 2 : Phosphorus, 20 | Potassium, 20 | Nutriment, 60);. (Medbay Treatment Center (63,75,2))
[2025-06-15 13:17:35.596] ATTACK: tomtuttle/(Chris Ringer) (mob_3125) primed a chemical grenade at Medbay Treatment Center (63,75,2) containing: (large beaker 1 : Condensed Capsaicin, 20 | Sugar, 20 | Nutriment, 59.9985); (large beaker 2 : Condensed Capsaicin, 20 | Potassium, 20 | Phosphorus, 20 | Nutriment, 39.9989);. (Medbay Treatment Center (63,75,2))
Irrelevant, others breaking rules is not an excuse to break rules yourselfTomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:16 pm On an almost unrelated topic,im quite suprised that the ban issuing admin quoeted rule 1 to me dont be a dick be respectful etc. i wasnt capable of putting this out to the person before the round was ended, but this would have been my reply. perhaps you should message some other individuals and explain them rules of escalation.
Yes, i have read the rules. I am aware of them. though sometimes i think other's haven't. but i dont get upset and frustrated. it is only a game.
If everyone ahelp'ed everytime a nuissance occured then there would be no players playing the game, but thats my personal opinion. Though i can understand when for example a non antagonist keeps murdering people or detonates a lethal explosive etc.
I asked you several times about it in the ticket, you can't just decide it's "not relevant" and ignore the question - if i don't get answers from you im going by logs only. It was raised to me in the asay chat by other admins, the whole part could be skipped if you only answered any of them like you did here, so i'm willing to remove it from the note. (You knowing bob across rounds is irrelevant to rule 8 enforcement and it's still ooc in ic to talk about minecraft, but i digress).TomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:16 pm '' Also called someone a pedo earlier but i didn't want to hold the round to investigate it fully and they refused to answer my questions about it.''
I did answer that it was unrelated to ''this'' admin sit
and it wasn't related to me until this ban.
im going to write this one informaly but still
the ''person'' ''being'' called a pedo was Bob, a rather known person to me and me to him. And no i didn't call him a pedo i will rephrase it as i said it in the round 99% correct to my memory not 100% because i might have misspelled ''Are you a pedo?
it was my attempt at humor. ill explain my reasoning behind this question to him.
he said that he needs potatoes, i let him in he said he wants to make baked potatoes. after that in a third statement he said just like in minecraft.
the keynote here is Minecraft
Many of the popular minecraft youtubers, those who have had a succesfull carear working as a child entertainer online are registered sex offenders
and their main audience is children.
so thats my attempt at humor, and bob is not a UNKOWN to me, we have played alot of shifts together. and as it was a conversation Held between ourselves IN botany with noone else around. it is UNRELATED to the capscaisin nutriment bomb detonations.
and it wasnt a statement it was a question. i didnt call him a pedo. (cut)
You're free to get into that, i'm also interested what you're insinuating.TomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:16 pm though i am fan of psychology and i am interested as to why it piqued maxipat's interest im not going to get into that.
Irrelevant and also ad hominem? I am part of lgbtq+ whether i want it or not cause im openly a lesbian, but i'm not sure where did you find some "agenda" just because of it? Do i not know something?TomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:16 pm
And i still think, maxipat if you're reading this.you indeed have a agenda against me, if i get it correct youre a supporter of lgbtq+ group, i think i spelled it correctly but anyway. and i have never ''vibed'' with them well, part or supporter. though i keep it out of my gameplay and in and out of character interactions with the fellow playerbase. Because you seem to have a rather ''short fuse'' and are quite obtuse. as most people relating to it are in my opinion. lacking any emotional callusses
Banning admin's conduct can't be a reason of complaint until after a succesful appeal was made - but to calm you i'm sure headmins still inspect it during appeals, even without a complaint present.TomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:16 pm If this ban appeal is accepted and nulled. i would also like it to be removed from my ''offenses'' in the record to my account. I also might add a admin complaint later if i feel like it about You lacking situanional awareness aswell as having a problem interpreting messages. Not to mention a personal agenda. and this is for all admins, admin trainees etc. why dont you know things? most of the time i ask something noone has the answer. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? antagonistic roles appear to me mostly when im in the middle of something else thus ruining both the non antag or antag round for me. im experimenting because you people are incapable of giving an answer most of the time. so what you want from me is to just do the same things same methods everybody else uses? just blow shit up yeah. LAME.
On another note, admins are not omniscient and don't know everything - the issue isn't that you wanted to test the grenades, the issue was that you tested them in middle of public space hitting multiple people during an already chaotic round as nonantag.
According to myers-briggs im an INFP, but you can spare the ad hominems.TomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:13 pm alright, appreciated. though it wont be swift. or fair since i did technically insult him in this review. ill be waiting for maxipat's review.
if maxipat is the personality architype i suggested then i will be most likely requesting a head admin re review. thanks and cheerio
Either way tl;dr:
I'm willing to fix the OhMyGodATypo in the note and remove part about pedophiles, though im not willing to reduce the ban. You didn't show any remorse or understanding why what you did was wrong and how it impacted other players.
This is a preventative Forum User message to try and stop a perceived issue escalating before it ever really starts, and does not prevent the headmins from taking a different opinion and deleting my post. No formal action is being taken. No reply to this post is necessary. If you want to discuss the matter further, use forum PMs with me, but I have nothing else to say so I wouldn't waste the time.
TomTuttle2341 wrote:
And i still think, maxipat if you're reading this.you indeed have a agenda against me, if i get it correct youre a supporter of lgbtq+ group, i think i spelled it correctly but anyway. and i have never ''vibed'' with them well, part or supporter.
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
Hello, i will start by going from top to bottom on your reply, concerning ''experimenting'' or testing, i arleady mentioned as to why i didnt use the methods suggested. For that reason i will retype it and color it for you easement. ---
My reasoning behind it simply because i wanted to test its effectiveness and reaction to it. Consenting people give a biased result, such as not moving out of the way, predicting it and moving out of too quickly the way. So that is the reason i couldn't ask for consent. keep in mind i acknowledge that its not appropriate for a non antagonist to do this.
That is why i cant for example as you put it - As i suggested in the ticket - you had a plenty other nondisruptive ways of testing your grenades - like using consenting test subjects, hosting a local server to test it on dummies or using monkeys that are scattered across the station. You instead decided to detonate 5 capsaicin nutriment smoke grenades in middle of medbay
due to the reasons explained before relating to consent and monkeys, as monkeys are incapable of reacting towards it as a person would. I dont posses knowledge or skills to Run a local server, and even if i could it would be mostly useless information. as i can test definitive dosage such as for example 10u of this or that on myself. exposure would be simulated and innacurate. i arleady wrote this during the game prior to the ban.
I understand your need to test your stuff, but it shouldn't be happening at the cost of other player's wellbeing - first two nades went off while medbay was busy with corpses and mobs spawned from die of fate (admin shenanigans), other 3 went off while medbay was fighting a slaughter demon. Throughout the ticket i tried to give you hints so you can figure out what went wrong yourself - i even quoted the relevant rule 1 part so you can maybe connect your behavior to it, instead you doubled down, denying you did anything wrong (both in the ticket and here) and jumping to accuse me of having some weird agenda against you? I still don't get that part. About your intentions, while you might've not intended or saw this as "griefing", the players on receiving end certainly did feel like they're being griefed, enough for them to ahelp to ask whether you're an antagonist. Don't do stuff that has no purpose other than to make people upset. The whole ticket wouldn't even exist if you didn't decide that capsaicin somehow "makes it better", cause it was the only reason i bwoinked you - blinding and making random people dizzy.
If you would like to add context to my intentions and at that time awareness. the first grenade was detonated prior to the monster entering the back hallway which was following a sec officer, if i remember correctly. and noone was touched by the smoke except me and bob i think.
the second one was after the monster was killed, i think like 15 seconds maybe more. and again i mostly didnt move and it was in the same location. so to me it was useless, and wasted possibility for testing., i was looking for people in non dangerous areas. as i did notice the monsters but i thought that event was arleady done with. as i saw about 20 or 15 and only 2 alive with severeal people around and walking. And about the sloughter demon i arleady mentioned in the messages that i was unaware of it. and kept being unaware till you brought it up.
Rule 1 right? - as i did mention in the messages aswell as the review, my intentions werent to be a ''dick''. but you seem to ignore it. Yes i understand it might seem like it. but obviously the concoction wasnt meant to do any real harm, nor immediate and persistent annoyance. simply a short one. the concoction contained about 15u capcaisin with 20 u smoke which is about a 4x4 area. so the blindness lasts about 5 seconds after you have left the smoke.
The reason for capcaisin was to improve a person's time in the smoke, exposure you might say. in this instance an annoyance if it was directed towards antags or if im being an antag. effectiveness towards crew.
irrelevant, others breaking rules is not an excuse to break rules yourself
i wrote that not to shift blame unto others but simply inform you that others didnt keep in mind the escalation rule
eye for an eye. for example which if you let me guess the complainent, or how else would you call it, the ahelper
using deadly and i mean deadly not just a toolbox to the head once or twice. but instead medical sryinges , even though the person was aware of its nonlethal content. rule 2 section 3 keep in mind. june creigh something something if i remember correctly. i try to not keep grudges between rounds . but this person surerly doesnt mind. an excuse is all thats needed. which ive noticed between shifts.
that section wasnt mean as the appeal but simply to hint you towards something. such as you two being familiar. thus in my opinion biased.
I asked you several times about it in the ticket, you can't just decide it's "not relevant" and ignore the question - if i don't get answers from you im going by logs only. It was raised to me in the asay chat by other admins, the whole part could be skipped if you only answered any of them like you did here, so i'm willing to remove it from the note. (You knowing bob across rounds is irrelevant to rule 8 enforcement and it's still ooc in ic to talk about minecraft, but i digress)
But it was irrelevant, it had nothing to do with the grenades. And if my understanding doesnt fail me terry is a low roleplay server. thus i see no issue with having aquintances across rounds, as long as its not too positive or too negative such as favoritism or grudges. rule 2 section 3 and 4.
You're free to get into that, i'm also interested what you're insinuating.-
Well, since youre interested ill explain my curiosity and perhaps you can provide an insight
either you half read and didnt really bother or you subconciusly were offended, which theres a plethera of reasons as to why. so which?. didnt read it fully or a real typo?( are you a pedo? and you are a pedo). is quite hard to write wrong unless youre not paying attention.
Irrelevant and also ad hominem? I am part of lgbtq+ whether i want it or not cause im openly a lesbian, but i'm not sure where did you find some "agenda" just because of it? Do i not know something?-
Ill keep this section mostly empty due to me trying to cram everything into a single reply. As i did state in my first ''appeal'' its biased since i dislike such association. and thus since people ussualy defend their actions and their affiliations you can probably connect rest of the dots yourself. or atleast i hope you can since either you dont bother to read or you do have difficulty understanding. which might be because of my writing style or simply you.
Banning admin's conduct can't be a reason of complaint until after a succesful appeal was made - but to calm you i'm sure headmins still inspect it during appeals, even without a complaint present.
On another note, admins are not omniscient and don't know everything - the issue isn't that you wanted to test the grenades, the issue was that you tested them in middle of public space hitting multiple people during an already chaotic round as nonantag. - Thank you for explaining the admin complaint system, and i know about head admin inspection, i was paying attention the first 30 minutes after the post to see whos observing the appeal. about the issue ive explained in my opinion most of what was lacking in the first encounter with you.
According to myers-briggs im an INFP, but you can spare the ad hominems. - and let me guess, you believe in IQ tests aswell. it was irrelevent to the appeal. i simply wrote that in order to have someone else but you review it. Sadly english is not my native language and im unable to express my understanding of you and your admin proccesess. Either way You are in the position of power, and i have to make an apeal as i do think its unfair and harsh.
and before you mention anything more about ad hominems, iq , bias , agenda. read about how iq tests are innacurate and a psudo science at best.
I simply included more information, CONTEXT. to the situation due to me not being capable of responding to you in time due to personal things. that is before the ban.
I admitted to the fact that ive done it. i didnt fabricate lies or twist the situation. im being open.
shown remorse, well should i grovel at your feet? im just trying to say that remorse is hard near impossible to write in words. perhaps since you think of yourself as a compassionate, meaning an empathic personality a sentence from a poem for you. maybe if you are what you say you might understand it. in my opinion no. -- A dog that weeps after a kill is no better than a dog that doesn't, my guilt will not purify me . i might have butchered it a bit but its rather close.
make you verdict and either lift it, shorten it, or keep it. in any case my sunday has been mostly ruined, partly due to this but mostly unrelated.
and if i have the time i might make a complaint about you as you made me write the explaination for my reasoning three times if combined with ingame messages. perhaps you will read it more closely or not. probably not.
Tom Tuttle - from tacoma - search Tom Tuttle from tacoma in youtube. its a great scene from a good movie.
good day, unkind regards as you indirectly tried to insult me. honestly im tired, if youre unconvinced or dont care close it so i can make a re review of the appeal. Obviously to me writing back and forth with you is like talking to a wall. you didnt bother to read all of it before nor now.
My reasoning behind it simply because i wanted to test its effectiveness and reaction to it. Consenting people give a biased result, such as not moving out of the way, predicting it and moving out of too quickly the way. So that is the reason i couldn't ask for consent. keep in mind i acknowledge that its not appropriate for a non antagonist to do this.
That is why i cant for example as you put it - As i suggested in the ticket - you had a plenty other nondisruptive ways of testing your grenades - like using consenting test subjects, hosting a local server to test it on dummies or using monkeys that are scattered across the station. You instead decided to detonate 5 capsaicin nutriment smoke grenades in middle of medbay
due to the reasons explained before relating to consent and monkeys, as monkeys are incapable of reacting towards it as a person would. I dont posses knowledge or skills to Run a local server, and even if i could it would be mostly useless information. as i can test definitive dosage such as for example 10u of this or that on myself. exposure would be simulated and innacurate. i arleady wrote this during the game prior to the ban.
I understand your need to test your stuff, but it shouldn't be happening at the cost of other player's wellbeing - first two nades went off while medbay was busy with corpses and mobs spawned from die of fate (admin shenanigans), other 3 went off while medbay was fighting a slaughter demon. Throughout the ticket i tried to give you hints so you can figure out what went wrong yourself - i even quoted the relevant rule 1 part so you can maybe connect your behavior to it, instead you doubled down, denying you did anything wrong (both in the ticket and here) and jumping to accuse me of having some weird agenda against you? I still don't get that part. About your intentions, while you might've not intended or saw this as "griefing", the players on receiving end certainly did feel like they're being griefed, enough for them to ahelp to ask whether you're an antagonist. Don't do stuff that has no purpose other than to make people upset. The whole ticket wouldn't even exist if you didn't decide that capsaicin somehow "makes it better", cause it was the only reason i bwoinked you - blinding and making random people dizzy.
If you would like to add context to my intentions and at that time awareness. the first grenade was detonated prior to the monster entering the back hallway which was following a sec officer, if i remember correctly. and noone was touched by the smoke except me and bob i think.
the second one was after the monster was killed, i think like 15 seconds maybe more. and again i mostly didnt move and it was in the same location. so to me it was useless, and wasted possibility for testing., i was looking for people in non dangerous areas. as i did notice the monsters but i thought that event was arleady done with. as i saw about 20 or 15 and only 2 alive with severeal people around and walking. And about the sloughter demon i arleady mentioned in the messages that i was unaware of it. and kept being unaware till you brought it up.
Rule 1 right? - as i did mention in the messages aswell as the review, my intentions werent to be a ''dick''. but you seem to ignore it. Yes i understand it might seem like it. but obviously the concoction wasnt meant to do any real harm, nor immediate and persistent annoyance. simply a short one. the concoction contained about 15u capcaisin with 20 u smoke which is about a 4x4 area. so the blindness lasts about 5 seconds after you have left the smoke.
The reason for capcaisin was to improve a person's time in the smoke, exposure you might say. in this instance an annoyance if it was directed towards antags or if im being an antag. effectiveness towards crew.
irrelevant, others breaking rules is not an excuse to break rules yourself
i wrote that not to shift blame unto others but simply inform you that others didnt keep in mind the escalation rule
eye for an eye. for example which if you let me guess the complainent, or how else would you call it, the ahelper
using deadly and i mean deadly not just a toolbox to the head once or twice. but instead medical sryinges , even though the person was aware of its nonlethal content. rule 2 section 3 keep in mind. june creigh something something if i remember correctly. i try to not keep grudges between rounds . but this person surerly doesnt mind. an excuse is all thats needed. which ive noticed between shifts.
that section wasnt mean as the appeal but simply to hint you towards something. such as you two being familiar. thus in my opinion biased.
I asked you several times about it in the ticket, you can't just decide it's "not relevant" and ignore the question - if i don't get answers from you im going by logs only. It was raised to me in the asay chat by other admins, the whole part could be skipped if you only answered any of them like you did here, so i'm willing to remove it from the note. (You knowing bob across rounds is irrelevant to rule 8 enforcement and it's still ooc in ic to talk about minecraft, but i digress)
But it was irrelevant, it had nothing to do with the grenades. And if my understanding doesnt fail me terry is a low roleplay server. thus i see no issue with having aquintances across rounds, as long as its not too positive or too negative such as favoritism or grudges. rule 2 section 3 and 4.
You're free to get into that, i'm also interested what you're insinuating.-
Well, since youre interested ill explain my curiosity and perhaps you can provide an insight
either you half read and didnt really bother or you subconciusly were offended, which theres a plethera of reasons as to why. so which?. didnt read it fully or a real typo?( are you a pedo? and you are a pedo). is quite hard to write wrong unless youre not paying attention.
Irrelevant and also ad hominem? I am part of lgbtq+ whether i want it or not cause im openly a lesbian, but i'm not sure where did you find some "agenda" just because of it? Do i not know something?-
Ill keep this section mostly empty due to me trying to cram everything into a single reply. As i did state in my first ''appeal'' its biased since i dislike such association. and thus since people ussualy defend their actions and their affiliations you can probably connect rest of the dots yourself. or atleast i hope you can since either you dont bother to read or you do have difficulty understanding. which might be because of my writing style or simply you.
Banning admin's conduct can't be a reason of complaint until after a succesful appeal was made - but to calm you i'm sure headmins still inspect it during appeals, even without a complaint present.
On another note, admins are not omniscient and don't know everything - the issue isn't that you wanted to test the grenades, the issue was that you tested them in middle of public space hitting multiple people during an already chaotic round as nonantag. - Thank you for explaining the admin complaint system, and i know about head admin inspection, i was paying attention the first 30 minutes after the post to see whos observing the appeal. about the issue ive explained in my opinion most of what was lacking in the first encounter with you.
According to myers-briggs im an INFP, but you can spare the ad hominems. - and let me guess, you believe in IQ tests aswell. it was irrelevent to the appeal. i simply wrote that in order to have someone else but you review it. Sadly english is not my native language and im unable to express my understanding of you and your admin proccesess. Either way You are in the position of power, and i have to make an apeal as i do think its unfair and harsh.
and before you mention anything more about ad hominems, iq , bias , agenda. read about how iq tests are innacurate and a psudo science at best.
I simply included more information, CONTEXT. to the situation due to me not being capable of responding to you in time due to personal things. that is before the ban.
I admitted to the fact that ive done it. i didnt fabricate lies or twist the situation. im being open.
shown remorse, well should i grovel at your feet? im just trying to say that remorse is hard near impossible to write in words. perhaps since you think of yourself as a compassionate, meaning an empathic personality a sentence from a poem for you. maybe if you are what you say you might understand it. in my opinion no. -- A dog that weeps after a kill is no better than a dog that doesn't, my guilt will not purify me . i might have butchered it a bit but its rather close.
make you verdict and either lift it, shorten it, or keep it. in any case my sunday has been mostly ruined, partly due to this but mostly unrelated.
and if i have the time i might make a complaint about you as you made me write the explaination for my reasoning three times if combined with ingame messages. perhaps you will read it more closely or not. probably not.
Tom Tuttle - from tacoma - search Tom Tuttle from tacoma in youtube. its a great scene from a good movie.
good day, unkind regards as you indirectly tried to insult me. honestly im tired, if youre unconvinced or dont care close it so i can make a re review of the appeal. Obviously to me writing back and forth with you is like talking to a wall. you didnt bother to read all of it before nor now.
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Maxipat
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
this is unreadable, but i assume you want a headmin review of this (no need to re-appeal) since i denied it a post ago, so i'll be informing headmins.TomTuttle2341 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:45 pm Hello, i will start by going from top to bottom on your reply, concerning ''experimenting'' or testing, i arleady mentioned as to why i didnt use the methods suggested. For that reason i will retype it and color it for you easement. ---
My reasoning behind it simply because i wanted to test its effectiveness and reaction to it. Consenting people give a biased result, such as not moving out of the way, predicting it and moving out of too quickly the way. So that is the reason i couldn't ask for consent. keep in mind i acknowledge that its not appropriate for a non antagonist to do this.
That is why i cant for example as you put it - As i suggested in the ticket - you had a plenty other nondisruptive ways of testing your grenades - like using consenting test subjects, hosting a local server to test it on dummies or using monkeys that are scattered across the station. You instead decided to detonate 5 capsaicin nutriment smoke grenades in middle of medbay
due to the reasons explained before relating to consent and monkeys, as monkeys are incapable of reacting towards it as a person would. I dont posses knowledge or skills to Run a local server, and even if i could it would be mostly useless information. as i can test definitive dosage such as for example 10u of this or that on myself. exposure would be simulated and innacurate. i arleady wrote this during the game prior to the ban.
I understand your need to test your stuff, but it shouldn't be happening at the cost of other player's wellbeing - first two nades went off while medbay was busy with corpses and mobs spawned from die of fate (admin shenanigans), other 3 went off while medbay was fighting a slaughter demon. Throughout the ticket i tried to give you hints so you can figure out what went wrong yourself - i even quoted the relevant rule 1 part so you can maybe connect your behavior to it, instead you doubled down, denying you did anything wrong (both in the ticket and here) and jumping to accuse me of having some weird agenda against you? I still don't get that part. About your intentions, while you might've not intended or saw this as "griefing", the players on receiving end certainly did feel like they're being griefed, enough for them to ahelp to ask whether you're an antagonist. Don't do stuff that has no purpose other than to make people upset. The whole ticket wouldn't even exist if you didn't decide that capsaicin somehow "makes it better", cause it was the only reason i bwoinked you - blinding and making random people dizzy.
If you would like to add context to my intentions and at that time awareness. the first grenade was detonated prior to the monster entering the back hallway which was following a sec officer, if i remember correctly. and noone was touched by the smoke except me and bob i think.
the second one was after the monster was killed, i think like 15 seconds maybe more. and again i mostly didnt move and it was in the same location. so to me it was useless, and wasted possibility for testing., i was looking for people in non dangerous areas. as i did notice the monsters but i thought that event was arleady done with. as i saw about 20 or 15 and only 2 alive with severeal people around and walking. And about the sloughter demon i arleady mentioned in the messages that i was unaware of it. and kept being unaware till you brought it up.
Rule 1 right? - as i did mention in the messages aswell as the review, my intentions werent to be a ''dick''. but you seem to ignore it. Yes i understand it might seem like it. but obviously the concoction wasnt meant to do any real harm, nor immediate and persistent annoyance. simply a short one. the concoction contained about 15u capcaisin with 20 u smoke which is about a 4x4 area. so the blindness lasts about 5 seconds after you have left the smoke.
The reason for capcaisin was to improve a person's time in the smoke, exposure you might say. in this instance an annoyance if it was directed towards antags or if im being an antag. effectiveness towards crew.
irrelevant, others breaking rules is not an excuse to break rules yourself
i wrote that not to shift blame unto others but simply inform you that others didnt keep in mind the escalation rule
eye for an eye. for example which if you let me guess the complainent, or how else would you call it, the ahelper
using deadly and i mean deadly not just a toolbox to the head once or twice. but instead medical sryinges , even though the person was aware of its nonlethal content. rule 2 section 3 keep in mind. june creigh something something if i remember correctly. i try to not keep grudges between rounds . but this person surerly doesnt mind. an excuse is all thats needed. which ive noticed between shifts.
that section wasnt mean as the appeal but simply to hint you towards something. such as you two being familiar. thus in my opinion biased.
I asked you several times about it in the ticket, you can't just decide it's "not relevant" and ignore the question - if i don't get answers from you im going by logs only. It was raised to me in the asay chat by other admins, the whole part could be skipped if you only answered any of them like you did here, so i'm willing to remove it from the note. (You knowing bob across rounds is irrelevant to rule 8 enforcement and it's still ooc in ic to talk about minecraft, but i digress)
But it was irrelevant, it had nothing to do with the grenades. And if my understanding doesnt fail me terry is a low roleplay server. thus i see no issue with having aquintances across rounds, as long as its not too positive or too negative such as favoritism or grudges. rule 2 section 3 and 4.
You're free to get into that, i'm also interested what you're insinuating.-
Well, since youre interested ill explain my curiosity and perhaps you can provide an insight
either you half read and didnt really bother or you subconciusly were offended, which theres a plethera of reasons as to why. so which?. didnt read it fully or a real typo?( are you a pedo? and you are a pedo). is quite hard to write wrong unless youre not paying attention.
Irrelevant and also ad hominem? I am part of lgbtq+ whether i want it or not cause im openly a lesbian, but i'm not sure where did you find some "agenda" just because of it? Do i not know something?-
Ill keep this section mostly empty due to me trying to cram everything into a single reply. As i did state in my first ''appeal'' its biased since i dislike such association. and thus since people ussualy defend their actions and their affiliations you can probably connect rest of the dots yourself. or atleast i hope you can since either you dont bother to read or you do have difficulty understanding. which might be because of my writing style or simply you.
Banning admin's conduct can't be a reason of complaint until after a succesful appeal was made - but to calm you i'm sure headmins still inspect it during appeals, even without a complaint present.
On another note, admins are not omniscient and don't know everything - the issue isn't that you wanted to test the grenades, the issue was that you tested them in middle of public space hitting multiple people during an already chaotic round as nonantag. - Thank you for explaining the admin complaint system, and i know about head admin inspection, i was paying attention the first 30 minutes after the post to see whos observing the appeal. about the issue ive explained in my opinion most of what was lacking in the first encounter with you.
According to myers-briggs im an INFP, but you can spare the ad hominems. - and let me guess, you believe in IQ tests aswell. it was irrelevent to the appeal. i simply wrote that in order to have someone else but you review it. Sadly english is not my native language and im unable to express my understanding of you and your admin proccesess. Either way You are in the position of power, and i have to make an apeal as i do think its unfair and harsh.
and before you mention anything more about ad hominems, iq , bias , agenda. read about how iq tests are innacurate and a psudo science at best.
I simply included more information, CONTEXT. to the situation due to me not being capable of responding to you in time due to personal things. that is before the ban.
I admitted to the fact that ive done it. i didnt fabricate lies or twist the situation. im being open.
shown remorse, well should i grovel at your feet? im just trying to say that remorse is hard near impossible to write in words. perhaps since you think of yourself as a compassionate, meaning an empathic personality a sentence from a poem for you. maybe if you are what you say you might understand it. in my opinion no. -- A dog that weeps after a kill is no better than a dog that doesn't, my guilt will not purify me . i might have butchered it a bit but its rather close.
make you verdict and either lift it, shorten it, or keep it. in any case my sunday has been mostly ruined, partly due to this but mostly unrelated.
and if i have the time i might make a complaint about you as you made me write the explaination for my reasoning three times if combined with ingame messages. perhaps you will read it more closely or not. probably not.
Tom Tuttle - from tacoma - search Tom Tuttle from tacoma in youtube. its a great scene from a good movie.
good day, unkind regards as you indirectly tried to insult me. honestly im tired, if youre unconvinced or dont care close it so i can make a re review of the appeal. Obviously to me writing back and forth with you is like talking to a wall. you didnt bother to read all of it before nor now.
This is a preventative Forum User message to try and stop a perceived issue escalating before it ever really starts, and does not prevent the headmins from taking a different opinion and deleting my post. No formal action is being taken. No reply to this post is necessary. If you want to discuss the matter further, use forum PMs with me, but I have nothing else to say so I wouldn't waste the time.
TomTuttle2341 wrote:
And i still think, maxipat if you're reading this.you indeed have a agenda against me, if i get it correct youre a supporter of lgbtq+ group, i think i spelled it correctly but anyway. and i have never ''vibed'' with them well, part or supporter.
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TomTuttle2341
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
So, i see that persons of higher status are also viewing this and a question to them, should i even bother requesting a re review or no? that is if no solid conclusion is reached. this forum is rather unnappealing and confusing to me. so i might have posted this twice
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iain0
- In-Game Head Admin
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
The TL;DR here is you make your own call there.
We, the head administration, are bound by our own agreement that official stances here require a majority vote, meaning we'd have to assemble and ask the question "Should they be asking us to rule on this matter". Which is largely indistinguishable from ruling on the matter.
I think we'll likely assume you're making an escalated appeal and work on that.
We, the head administration, are bound by our own agreement that official stances here require a majority vote, meaning we'd have to assemble and ask the question "Should they be asking us to rule on this matter". Which is largely indistinguishable from ruling on the matter.
I think we'll likely assume you're making an escalated appeal and work on that.
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TomTuttle2341
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
i assume escalated simply means what i mentioned a re review, and majority vote i guess is fine. Though i understand my writing may be at times incoherent and down right sometimes unreadable. i think that it should be read as im trying to provide more accurate information regarding the event. the event , the reasoning etc.
I would like it due to the fact that i really believe that maxipat isn't actually paying attention but simply going through routine. and applying the same treatment which is used for those who are not looking for a good time for themselves or others.
as i checked the box, its overly harsh in my opinion but thats that.
final message
I would like it due to the fact that i really believe that maxipat isn't actually paying attention but simply going through routine. and applying the same treatment which is used for those who are not looking for a good time for themselves or others.
as i checked the box, its overly harsh in my opinion but thats that.
final message
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iain0
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Re: [Maxipat] Tom Tuttle appeal - Grieffing ban
We've discussed this internally and will be upholding this ban, the actions of making everyone fat and full of pepper spray to blind them is clearly griefing when done in a public space with non consenting subjects. There is no real dispute here. There are plenty of alternatives for your experimentation needs and your reasons for crossing off willing subjects as biased is a reach. You can also just test it on yourself in isolation.
The appeal above is quite something, and I'm afraid that is not a complementary observation. Please refrain from using colours in future and instead use the appropriate quote markers ; likely a lot of your time invested in this post is wasted as most people won't attempt to read such colours and even when stripped it's then impossible to figure out what's new content versus 'quote', making it all largely necessary to skim read the post entirely. It seems unlikely anything that will change the simple case of griefing here will be found therein.
Please refrain from analysing our admins, your personal opinions and insights are unnecessary and irrelevant to the case, the admin, regardless of anything they may be outside this space, is expected to uphold a reasonable objective perspective on the rules, that is the only part that is up for dispute here, and in this particular case there is no dispute, you are griefing here. Movement speed is hugely impactful in combat, which happens a lot in medical with demons around. As such this infraction is objectively upheld regardless of any opinion you may hold about the admin.
Please leave your pedo related content at the door, it adds less than it detracts, we don't need those jokes. Or your commentary.
Similarly please keep your opinions about sexuality, gender, and anything else that may conflict with our standards at the door, it has no relevance here and your attempt to imply otherwise is quite the desperation reach which reflects poorly on you, as does in fact most of this appeal.
The appeal above is quite something, and I'm afraid that is not a complementary observation. Please refrain from using colours in future and instead use the appropriate quote markers ; likely a lot of your time invested in this post is wasted as most people won't attempt to read such colours and even when stripped it's then impossible to figure out what's new content versus 'quote', making it all largely necessary to skim read the post entirely. It seems unlikely anything that will change the simple case of griefing here will be found therein.
Please refrain from analysing our admins, your personal opinions and insights are unnecessary and irrelevant to the case, the admin, regardless of anything they may be outside this space, is expected to uphold a reasonable objective perspective on the rules, that is the only part that is up for dispute here, and in this particular case there is no dispute, you are griefing here. Movement speed is hugely impactful in combat, which happens a lot in medical with demons around. As such this infraction is objectively upheld regardless of any opinion you may hold about the admin.
Please leave your pedo related content at the door, it adds less than it detracts, we don't need those jokes. Or your commentary.
Similarly please keep your opinions about sexuality, gender, and anything else that may conflict with our standards at the door, it has no relevance here and your attempt to imply otherwise is quite the desperation reach which reflects poorly on you, as does in fact most of this appeal.
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