Library Adult Section NSFW books

[Ezel]

We all know library and it adult section for its pretty range of distastefull stuff like WGW, fanfictions about other players characters(Non Consentual) Bestiality and stuff in that taboo/creepy way. Despite being a +18 server we already disallow ERP, we even removed a painting once that was about a male character with their nipples showing(1 Pixel but it was still pretty nicely made) and other weird/lewd stuff ingame that would make others uncomfortable, so i'd like to ask your opinion about the NSFW books and if we should keep it, it already resulted in multiple bans of people being creepy with this.

Heres a previous policy threads(In order of year)
viewtopic.php?p=606302&hilit=fanfiction#p606302
viewtopic.php?p=603633&hilit=fanfiction#p603633
viewtopic.php?p=706873&hilit=fanfiction#p706873

Heres a example ban due to it.
viewtopic.php?p=734391&hilit=book#p734391

I'd personally think the age of the NSFW books kinda died down, its widely known to make other players uncomfortable, and i don't think these books would be in good health for a future of content creators/streamers we might want to create since those books usually have very vague names like "The hop's story" so i'd like to ask you all what do you think of it?

[TheRex9001]

Banning anything involving non consenting player characters is good and I fully intend to keep with that policy, ideally these NSFW books would have more labeling IC but I do not think that is anything admin related. Moderating the library is pretty hard and tedious and I doubt people would be willing to scrub it which is why only especially egregious stuff is removed when it’s brought to admin attention

[RaveRadbury]

As someone who's pushed hard for meeting ToS and having been on the team that stripped WGW of its original special status you're making a strong point.

Having that said, there are strong arguments for the status quo. Some are concerned about over-sanitizing an 18+ space and the slippery slope of that. Others point out that content exists which is 18+ but also has artistic or cultural value.

I think any attempt to address this issue would have to be coordinated. I've seen admins with library curation arcs, it's a lot of work for one person and things can get subjective and cause disagreement. If people care enough about it to group up and work together I think we could find our way through it and end up with a better library. Maybe we can do a "library" week or something, to get a bunch of people to rush down processing. Even if we just had a pile of "no problem" books and a pile of "review" books that would be more than where we're at now.

[iansdoor]

Heres a example ban due to it.
viewtopic.php?p=734391&hilit=book#p734391

I am just going to clarify that ban. JimmyL got banned for trying to bait a newer player into uploading explicit content of two static characters without their consent on TG discord and the game server and then trying to pass off the idea, wasn't his. News flash, Jimmyl repeating the same book over 2 years and finally getting it uploaded a last time, was the nail on that coffin.

We all know library and it adult section for its pretty range of distastefull stuff like WGW, fanfictions about other players characters(Non Consentual) Bestiality and stuff in that taboo/creepy way. Despite being a +18 server we already disallow ERP, we even removed a painting once that was about a male character with their nipples showing(1 Pixel but it was still pretty nicely made) and other weird/lewd stuff ingame that would make others uncomfortable, so i'd like to ask your opinion about the NSFW books and if we should keep it, it already resulted in multiple bans of people being creepy with this.

I'd personally think the age of the NSFW books kinda died down, its widely known to make other players uncomfortable, and i don't think these books would be in good health for a future of content creators/streamers we might want to create since those books usually have very vague names like "The hop's story" so i'd like to ask you all what do you think of it?

Yes, TG is 18+ age server. The fact that playing with teenagers is agony and go overboard about whatever without much consideration to their actions. Which is hard to tell without asking direct ID, I do not wish for that at all. There were moments across time that brought up legality in the US states, to which the late MSO had to address swiftly. I would prefer that those topics remain buried not to dredge up more of the stress that they caused. This is a touchy subject.

The issue with current library is that there isn't a replacement for a curator after humblebug retired 4 years ago. So, the quality of what is written has dropped and the pruning is only notified when players tell an admin about placeholder book. Yeah, I agree that interest of NSFW books has dried out two years ago, and the current folks that do, get picked on for what they wrote, as I have seen that in tickets.

I would be in favor to see another policy for guidelines to define Safe for work and not safe for work in regard to any Spessman streamers, who play on our 18+ server that just doesn't desire the hassle of ERP allowed or clear real bigotry, as that that would force their platforms to be removed. Also, this will hopefully clear up the grey areas like your one dot of a nipple in the 24x24 paintings.

[kinnebian]

I've made my views clear on the peanut, but outside of that-
A code solution akin to an approval system might be in order? It's impossible to individually check every book, but if there was a tool for just skimming it and selecting yes/no before it was made printable- that would be good.

[Ezel]

I've made my views clear on the peanut, but outside of that-
A code solution akin to an approval system might be in order? It's impossible to individually check every book, but if there was a tool for just skimming it and selecting yes/no before it was made printable- that would be good.

I was moreso thinking of people being able to volunteer to auctally curate ooks in statbus by being hide them like admjn them, those people would get a special role to be able to do so, and of coutse the question pops up why dont just make then admin at that point, because admin carries a way more weight on their back, where something only like curating bad books are lighter on the shoulder we have people edit the wiki who volunteer to do so, and this would be something close to that

[kinnebian]

A curator role or something, sure. I wouldn't oppose something like that.