Shadowlings (Gamemode suggestion/replacement)

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:51 pm #67742

Bottom post of the previous page:

Hellafied wrote:Holy fuck i love this idea. I just imagine Safe zones with flashlight everywhere. God its like the first Alien movie. I cant wait to see this happen. But i think you could maby make it where sunglasses make it take slightly less damage in the light? and it should be able to pry open doors once it has evolved.

Prying open doors can be done, but not the sunglasses. Evolved shadowlings have undroppable but protective armor (similar to adamantine golems) and their skin is sensitive to the light.

On a more general note: I've been hard at work with this. Currently I'm trying to get the antagonist flags to work - if I can do that, the gamemode will be in a workable state.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:43 am #67791

Xhuis wrote:
Hellafied wrote:Holy fuck i love this idea. I just imagine Safe zones with flashlight everywhere. God its like the first Alien movie. I cant wait to see this happen. But i think you could maby make it where sunglasses make it take slightly less damage in the light? and it should be able to pry open doors once it has evolved.
Prying open doors can be done, but not the sunglasses. Evolved shadowlings have undroppable but protective armor (similar to adamantine golems) and their skin is sensitive to the light.

On a more general note: I've been hard at work with this. Currently I'm trying to get the antagonist flags to work - if I can do that, the gamemode will be in a workable state.

I VOLUNTEER FOR TESTING!

Hellafied · Post by **Hellafied** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:02 am #67803

Bombadil wrote:
Spoiler:
Xhuis wrote:
Hellafied wrote:Holy fuck i love this idea. I just imagine Safe zones with flashlight everywhere. God its like the first Alien movie. I cant wait to see this happen. But i think you could maby make it where sunglasses make it take slightly less damage in the light? and it should be able to pry open doors once it has evolved.
Prying open doors can be done, but not the sunglasses. Evolved shadowlings have undroppable but protective armor (similar to adamantine golems) and their skin is sensitive to the light.

On a more general note: I've been hard at work with this. Currently I'm trying to get the antagonist flags to work - if I can do that, the gamemode will be in a workable state.

I VOLUNTEER FOR TESTING!

I second that.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:04 am #67804

Haha, I'll see what I can do. Generally it doesn't seem like it'll be hard to do but if the admins agree to have a few trial runs on one of the servers then we can see (I honestly don't see a server hosted by myself working out well).

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:05 am #67805

How would this work for an ability?
Consuming void: while on a pitch black or near pitch black tile the shadowling has the ability to turn into a black hole in the floor. Anyone that touches it gets stuck in it and the shadowling starts devouring them, dealing about 15 damage every 5 seconds. The shadowling can move around while in this form so it could lurk in the shadows, snatch an unsuspecting assistant, and drag its poor hapless victim flailing and screaming into a maint shaft, never to be seen again. It does have some limitations though. A powerful light source such as a flare can disrupt the power, forcing the shadowling back into its normal form and freeing its victim. This won't work with PDAs or lighters though

AnonymousNow · Post by **AnonymousNow** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:25 am #67814

Xhuis wrote:Haha, I'll see what I can do. Generally it doesn't seem like it'll be hard to do but if the admins agree to have a few trial runs on one of the servers then we can see (I honestly don't see a server hosted by myself working out well).

I don't see there being any issues with getting it onto a server for a trial run. Bigger changes have been put up for trials with far less care recently, after all.

Looking forward to this.

mikecari · Post by **mikecari** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:37 am #67827

Violaceus wrote:Make shadowling able to create dense darkness walls, however they vanish if someone brings light.

....So they're pretty much useless? Literally every crew member has a flashlight built into their PDA.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:00 am #67832

Testing won't be that hard to do. If its made a full game mode in game it can be made the mode for the round by a admin, also it should be possible for a admin to turn someone into a Shadowling.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:21 am #67841

mikecari wrote:
Violaceus wrote:Make shadowling able to create dense darkness walls, however they vanish if someone brings light.
....So they're pretty much useless? Literally every crew member has a flashlight built into their PDA.

Maybe give it the ability to knock out electronic light sources? Also make it cause flashlights and shit to flicker and spark a couple of times before burning out and becoming useless for maximum spookyness. As far as just shoving a lit lighter in your pocket, the ability would just blow it out. Aside from flares and fires the crew would have to create torches (jumpsuit+rod+alcohol) that would burn out after several minutes to counteract it

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:45 am #67900

Torches, I think, are wood plus...uh. Lettuce?

Fragnostic · Post by **Fragnostic** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:24 pm #67982

Kinda off topic, but lit lighters should set the user on fire. They are kinda OP since you have something to ignite a flammable object with at all times in your pocket. Hell, I filled a backpack watertank with 50-50 pepperspray-welding fuel and had lit lighters in my pocket and I killed fuckboys easy.

deathhoof · Post by **deathhoof** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:41 pm #68034

Lighters are for babies. Use a welder or an esword, it will light the enemy on fire if they are covered in flammable fluid but will also do a lot of damage.

Hellafied · Post by **Hellafied** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:11 am #68109

Jacough wrote: Aside from flares and fires the crew would have to create torches (jumpsuit+rod+alcohol) that would burn out after several minutes to counteract it

I like this idea, make be able to use things with different burn times, paper being a minute? bed sheet being five? Maby wood planks to as ten?

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:24 am #68142

I don't see the point in adding tons of light sources just for one gamemode. Torches are already in the game, so that's out of the question. The main defense against shadowlings is weaponized light, i.e. flashbangs and lasers. Of course, they also take more burn damage. Some light sources will not be extinguished by the shadowling's ability that does so; namely, non-mechanical ones (like flares).

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:34 am #68185

I think the Shadowling simply slowing losing health while in light is a fair counter.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:35 am #68186

So, in short, any light source that is ridiculously weak or burns out on its own the lings can't do jack against. Seems fair.

deathhoof · Post by **deathhoof** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:42 pm #68337

Is anyone actually coding this?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:32 am #74728

Wasn't that obvious?

Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:14 pm

hey guys, just an update, check this out

xhuis has said in his PR that he's in the bug testing and fixing stage of development, meaning it's very nearly done
get hyped

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:21 pm #78925

HYPEtrain is engaged, leaving the station.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:31 pm #78929

get haip ( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮͡° )
also, hate to dampen your spirits, but there's a pretty big amount of stuff that i still need to do

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:00 pm #78946

Xhuis wrote:get haip ( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮͡° )
also, hate to dampen your spirits, but there's a pretty big amount of stuff that i still need to do

damnit Xhuis, there are no brakes on the HYPETRAIN

Post by **PKPenguin321** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:13 am #81581

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Shadowling is merge ready and may be coming this Sunday

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:52 pm #81659

IDS HABBEDING

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:52 pm #81660

shadowling has been merged

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:56 pm #81661

> the one time in history that someone's suggestion for a game mode is actually created

Bravo. Now to wait for people to decry it as being too powerful. Great work though.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:18 pm #81663

Minor feedback but I still think the biggest problem that people will bring up is not being able to easily distinguish between tiles that are lit and those that are not.

hanshansenhansson · Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:10 pm

Biggest problem I see is everyone having a night vision after 10 minutes, removing a lot of the spooky

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:20 pm #81669

Xhuis wrote:shadowling has been merged

/TG/ gets shit done

What weight is the game-mode set to?

Also: Edited wiki page to remove "not in game" flag.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:12 pm #81684

Shadowling is set to weight 2 (same as nuke op, cult, and rev)

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:11 pm #81686

Can all professions spawn as shadowling, or is it restricted like other antags (no captain/security)?

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:17 pm #81687

Luke Cox wrote:Can all professions spawn as shadowling, or is it restricted like other antags (no captain/security)?

Depends on the config.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:19 pm #81689

Xhuis wrote:Shadowling is set to weight 2 (same as nuke op, cult, and rev)

I've asked MSO to set it to 0 just until we can run a couple of rounds to make sure it won't break the game.

But no, you have the round probabilities all wrong. We don't use the default values. They are currently:

blob = 5
changeling = 1
traitorchan = 9
double_agents = 3
traitor = 9
cult = 3
extended = 1
gang = 1
malfunction = 3
meteor = 0
monkey = 0
nuclear = 6
revolution = 3
sandbox = 0
raginmages = 0
wizard = 6

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:33 pm #81691

Ikarrus wrote:xhuis is a shitlord who doesn't know anything

All righto, sorry that I was mistaken about that.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:42 pm #81692

No worries, but the information will help when it comes time to decide what weight it should have.

Alex Crimson · Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:22 pm

Finally got merged huh? Well thats great, i guess. Still have my reservations about the game mode, but ill look forward to giving it a shot.

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:44 am #81760

This mode is very nice, but it's sadly for 30+ players only. Have you considered adding some kind of scaling to make it playable on lower pops aswell?

Remie Richards · Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:50 am

At 20 pop Basil loved their first round.

Look into scaling it for Basiltier pop, we shouldn't have to force the mode to play it.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:30 am #81768

I'm going to move this to feedback now that it's been merged.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:08 am #81772

I noticed that admin spawned shadowlings can't enthral.

Tsaricide · Post by **Tsaricide** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:36 am #81783

Just finished a 1:30 round with 30 pop and a few suggestions

1.Give enthralled people an icon because it's really hard to keep track of 10+ people.

2.Remove simple mobs from the enthralled list, can't actually convert them but they show up in the menu and reset the CD if you pick them.

Pretty fun gametype, killed three deathsquads all at once with the final freeze ability. Maybe lower the required amount to 10? And what happens if a shadowling tries to enthrall someone enthralled by a different ling?

Edit: Also I don't think Veil turns off pda lights, don't know if that's intended.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:16 am #81789

Also, enthralled people could use some minor night vision.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:31 pm #82009

Can we get a separate feedback thread.

Anyway

1. Thralls should be shadow people. They can cover themselves in clothing to hide it at a glance. If this is too harsh, then making their eyes red would be a neat solution that could be covered up.
2. Thralls need nightvision
3. There should be a cap on the number of people who can be converted while the shadowling is in it's human form to prevent straight rev tactics

Remie Richards · Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:39 pm

Stickymayhem wrote:Can we get a separate feedback thread.

Anyway

1. Thralls should be shadow people. They can cover themselves in clothing to hide it at a glance. If this is too harsh, then making their eyes red would be a neat solution that could be covered up.
2. Thralls need nightvision
3. There should be a cap on the number of people who can be converted while the shadowling is in it's human form to prevent straight rev tactics

Said cap would HAVE to be higher than the required amount for the shadowling to ascend.
Otherwise the gamemode literally breaks.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:48 pm #82013

It'd be cool if mutant races with light mechanics (shadows and potatoes) could [partially] negate their benefits/drawbacks by wearing clothing with a lot of coverage. We DO have flags for coverage. So a shadowling could walk around in light more comfortably so long as itwas in an outfit that covered most/all of its skin from the light and a potato person would heal better if they exposed more flesh.

Might be resource intensive though, also it'd need to be balanced obviously.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:53 pm #82015

Remie Richards wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:Can we get a separate feedback thread.

Anyway

1. Thralls should be shadow people. They can cover themselves in clothing to hide it at a glance. If this is too harsh, then making their eyes red would be a neat solution that could be covered up.
2. Thralls need nightvision
3. There should be a cap on the number of people who can be converted while the shadowling is in it's human form to prevent straight rev tactics
Said cap would HAVE to be higher than the required amount for the shadowling to ascend.
Otherwise the gamemode literally breaks.

I said in their human form.

So they have to go shadowling form before they convert the entire station.

A cap of two or three thralls would be fine, then the cap gets lifted when they turn into the shadowbeast

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

human form -> Hatched form -> Hiroshima form

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:44 pm #82211

I will introduce a cap on the amount of thralls the shadowlings can have before they hatched.
I may give thralls a unique sprite/race, but night vision is impossible. I have tried everything and there is no way short of forcing them to wear a nodrop item.

Alex Crimson · Post by **Alex Crimson** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:16 pm #82218

I still think the Shadowlings abilities are way too overgeared for an antag that can create an army of undetectable thralls. Why not make thralls some kind of black husk/zombie with night vision? They can attack and heal in darkness but cannot use weapons or change their gear.

At the very least make it possible to detect thralls.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:55 pm #82225

Xhuis wrote:I will introduce a cap on the amount of thralls the shadowlings can have before they hatched.
I may give thralls a unique sprite/race, but night vision is impossible. I have tried everything and there is no way short of forcing them to wear a nodrop item.

There is a bugged nightvision spell. Maybe ask someone to help fix it?

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:23 pm #82233

It's in the statue mob, and last I checked it wasn't bugged.

But yeah intrinsic effects are far preferable to extrinsic stuff you have to wear because while nodrop is the shit, it can't protect against every possible case. Look to golems for a success story on making cumbersome extrinsic effects intrinsic.