Ban WGW

[Hulkamania]

This stupid copypasta has been running its course for years now, and I think I only thought it was funny the first couple times I saw it, the rest was just a heavy sigh of annoyance.

This is a tg "tradition" that for some reason is the sole exemption to rule 8 stuff that would normally get you banned in any other context. It's a piece of smut written about an actual child and only exists for pure shock value, which it stops even effectively doing after the first couple of times.

There isn't much entertainment to be gleaned from someone repeated it for the 500th time in tg history, to have the unceremoniously deleted by the admins and sent to ghost chat while everyone moves on with their lives.

Not only that, but it creates an administrative dissonance when people can be punished for rule 8 but seeing people reading this copy pasta is allowed, particularly confusing for new players on the server.

It's a historic relic of tg's past and has a lot more to lose than it does to gain. Traditions are just people who no longer matter telling you what you can and can't do, and this one is something that can be put to rest at last.

[Atlanta-Ned]

Enthusiastic support.

[Domitius]

Full support.

Every time somebody reads off smut into common chat WGW is cited to justify what they are doing. As a community we can still have silly traditions, lets not have kid fucking be one of them anymore.

[Mothblocks]

Most stories involving pedophilia posted IC will get you banned, but this Special one gets you killed in game haha

Kill it please

[Pandarsenic]

It's practically bannable already and it hasn't been funny for years. I don't think anyone will really miss it.

A lot of people will probably be devil's advocate for it, probably for bad reasons, but even they won't really miss it.

[Timberpoes]

Source that reading WGW is within the rules, except when used to spam:
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules
Rule 1, Precedent 2
Spamming any channel is not allowed, this goes for radio spam, AI vox announcement spam, paper at camera spam and other forms of spam. Non-antagonists doing so may not defend themselves and may suffer from IC or OOC consequences. Antagonists can to a certain extent, moreso with reading things like WGW over the radio, but may be told by admins to stop if it becomes excessive. Spamming can result from in-game admin intervention ending in you dying, to admin warnings, to bans for excessive or repeated spamming.

Additional source that reading erotica can be treated as an IC issue:
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12516#p327160
Lynching for erotica on comms: Lynching for reading smut, WGW, and spamming, especially on comms, is always okay. It also makes the reader nonhuman in silicon eyes. (PKPenguin321)

I fully support the removal of both the WGW execption from Rule 1, and the policy ruling that reading erotica in general can be handled IC as it tends to indicate doing so isn't a rule break.

[Archie700]

Just make every reading of sick stories like WGW get the person killed by lynching or smiting, then banned.
That way people can enjoy the spectacle and the idiot gets banned afterwards everybody wins! (except the idiot)

That being said seriously just ban WGW.

[cacogen]

I think you might be taking it a little too seriously and mistaking wanting to ban it for doing something of virtue. Rule 8 is meant to prevent ERP and sexual harassment. It's just poorly written and vaguely worded. Your time would be better spent fixing that. Reading smut over the radio has always made you valid to both the crew and the admins. It isn't an issue and basically never happens nowadays anyway.

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[Valorium]

Full support of the ban.

It's run its course already. Get it outta here.

[peptron1]

The only times I've found it funny are when someone says the first few words over comms and the next thing I hear over comms is the AI proclaiming "OH MY GOD HE'S DEAD"

We really don't need to keep it around when it's only vaguely funny 5% of the time, it should be bannable.

[Agux909]

+1 just let it go

[Cimika]

Full support for complete removal of any mention of it in the rules and make erotica reading a pure OOC issue. WGW creates an enforcement dissonance with the rest of the rules and needs to be sent to a farm upstate for good.

[iamgoofball]

throw WGW out

embrace lusty xenomorph maid as the go to "read this to get killed" imho

[Farquaar]

I'm indifferent about the issue, leaning towards ban. But in the event that it is banned, I fear some overzealous admins might attempt a retroactive purge of all mentions of the pasta in-game or on the wiki. It was dumb meme, but it was meme that's a longstanding element of server culture/history. Merely acknowledging that it was a meme shouldn't be verboten.

[imsxz]

add it to the word filter

[The Wrench]

While I generally don’t agree rule 8 is clear enough to be used to ban this awful copypasta, it should go just for the fact of it involving a minor. Let’s move on to something equally lowbrow but not with children alright?

[cacogen]

Andy's age is never specified in the text. Given events are clearly non-canon, it's perfectly feasible that they're taking place sometime during or after Toy Story 4 where Andy is a full-fledged adult. But in an alternate timeline where Andy never gave away his toys and his still living at home with his parents.

[The Wrench]

Andy's age is never specified in the text. Given events are clearly non-canon, it's perfectly feasible that they're taking place sometime during or after Toy Story 4 where Andy is a full-fledged adult. But in an alternate timeline where Andy never gave away his toys and his still living at home with his parents.

We need the tendiespost version of WGW for that to be cannon, for real though, it’s creepy and a stretch of good faith to assume that andy isn’t a child when most of his onscreen appearances are of him as a child

[oranges]

Actually it's okay because andy is a 600 year old demon who just takes the form of a minor male.

[oranges]

also this doesn't need to be politicised in an attempt to make it seem far worse by linking it to children, you can just ban it under rule 1.

[ELES]

Actually it's okay because andy is a 600 year old demon who just takes the form of a minor male.

Ah yes, the chinese cartoons gambit.

[BeeSting12]

Will miss gibbing/deleting wgw spammers but this is likely for the best.

[Pandarsenic]

also this doesn't need to be politicised in an attempt to make it seem far worse by linking it to children, you can just ban it under rule 1.

A genuine science fact

[sinfulbliss]

I won’t miss it but I will miss the funny “GEORGE WROTE WGW IN MAIN HALLWAY KILL HE” followed by public lynching and outrage. That was kinda fun.

[Boot]

This is such a stupid fucking meme to be freaking out about. You already have the means as admins to just nuke them for this, they get non-humaned by the ai when you read it and you get lynched right off the bat. Let's think about this for a few minutes, if this gets banned all it will do will cause abunch of people to start posting edited ss13 versions of WGW or as people have already said in this thread, other smut. I don't buy this "no no no its totally different because it references a fictional kid!" line of argument. Would you really have no problem if people just swapped out Andy for Andrew the adult of legal age? At what point is the library just gonna be removed and replaced with the space explorers job position.

[Armhulen]

if this gets banned all it will do will cause abunch of people to start posting edited ss13 versions of WGW or as people have already said in this thread, other smut.

this is really easy to work around. people still get bwoinked for dodging chat filters, and this is easier to moderate than chat filters.

[Boot]

if this gets banned all it will do will cause abunch of people to start posting edited ss13 versions of WGW or as people have already said in this thread, other smut.

this is really easy to work around. people still get bwoinked for dodging chat filters, and this is easier to moderate than chat filters.

I'd say that's part of the issue. Should we view all smut posted after a potential wgw ban as "evading the filter"? Should we also reflavor lube so it stops calling back to this dark history /TG/Station has of accepting child erotica? If the issue as Hulk has said is the actual children then would it really be evading the filter if you remove all mention of the child? If someone makes a clown and mime version of this ought they really get dinged for evading the filter?

[Mothblocks]

If WGW loses its special case, then we can treat people posting WGW edits the exact same way we handle everyone else posting NSFW copypasta spam. I don't know what you're clutching pearls about.

[Boot]

from my understanding WGW doesn't have a "special case". People who post it already get bombed from centcom and lynched.

[Omega_DarkPotato]

from my understanding WGW doesn't have a "special case". People who post it already get bombed from centcom and lynched.

These are IC actions - people get banned for reading other smut in radio channels or out loud, which is the difference. (IC vs OOC punishment)

[Armhulen]

from my understanding WGW doesn't have a "special case". People who post it already get bombed from centcom and lynched.

smut = warned and maybe banned

wgw = ic punishment most likely from admins

[Cosmodeus]

I support this, being that I'm not banned from the game itself like some others might believe. People who just want to fit in will copy and paste anything, so the hammer needs to come down on them gently. Don't just first time permaban someone. Jesus christ.

EDIT: Armhulen you might be out of touch with reality, but when you take your ritalin, you'll realize that WGW is smut.

[Armhulen]

wgw is smut BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING BANNED COSMO THAT'S THE SPECIAL CASE

[Boot]

OK I think I get it. Smut posting gets you bwoinked and lynched. WGW posting gets you lynched. Even if we start from this I think that there is something gained from being able make reference to this without getting a hammer dropped on you for filter evading yeah?

[Cosmodeus]

OK I think I get it. Smut posting gets you bwoinked and lynched. WGW posting gets you lynched. Even if we start from this I think that there is something gained from being able make reference to this without getting a hammer dropped on you for filter evading yeah?

The reason this suggestion is being made is people want to fit in by copying what other people do. What ends up happening is they'll post something not woody got wood in order to be original. This ends up getting them permanently banned. Because of this, woody got wood itself is something the admins want to remove from the community as a whole by actually punishing people for doing it and not just slapping them on the wrist for a single round as Armhulen is suggesting. By admins, I don't mean all admins. Some admins want to use it to pseudo ban bait people from the community when they try to be original wgw style.

[Armhulen]

i'm not "suggesting it" that is actually how policy is right now. It's like I have to reach over and correct each post you make like i'm grading your highschool essay

[Jonathan Gupta]

can we still do the woody got finances copypasta?

[Cosmodeus]

i'm not "suggesting it" that is actually how policy is right now. It's like I have to reach over and correct each post you make like i'm grading your highschool essay

No, you just need to learn how to use words to convey your entire message instead of leaving room for people to interpret it in numerous different ways.

[Armhulen]

i really shouldn't derail the thread further to plumb the depths of this retarded forum poster's mind

[Rohen_Tahir]

i'm not "suggesting it" that is actually how policy is right now. It's like I have to reach over and correct each post you make like i'm grading your highschool essay

No, you just need to learn how to use words to convey your entire message instead of leaving room for people to interpret it in numerous different ways.

Fun fact: your message can be interpreted in numerous different ways.

[cacogen]

Andy's age is never specified in the text. Given events are clearly non-canon, it's perfectly feasible that they're taking place sometime during or after Toy Story 4 where Andy is a full-fledged adult. But in an alternate timeline where Andy never gave away his toys and his still living at home with his parents.

We need the tendiespost version of WGW for that to be cannon, for real though, it’s creepy and a stretch of good faith to assume that andy isn’t a child when most of his onscreen appearances are of him as a child

I was trying to take the piss out of debating the authorial intent of WGW, but it didn't come across.

It pre-dates Toy Story 3 and 4, but it shouldn't matter.

The humour derives from the shocking subject matter combined with the terrible writing. It was obviously written ironically with the intent to be humourous, not to promote its subject matter.

Creating a moral panic about the implicit age of the character is just a tactic to make it easier to ban.

It's obvious the admins only want to ban it because they personally disapprove of it or are offended by it. They're trying to justify that by saying it falls under rule 8. But people have been reading it over Common for at least 10 years. Rule 8 has existed for a large chunk of that. The only thing that's changed is how the admins feel about it.

Coming up with justifications to ban something you're offended by is nothing new. It's like boomer parents and violent video games.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

woody's got wood is a story for a different time. Take out its' special exemption and let it fade into the legends of ss13's wild jerkbag past where it belongs

[Misdoubtful]

woody's got wood is a story for a different time. Take out its' special exemption and let it fade into the legends of ss13's wild jerkbag past where it belongs

I'd unironically rather see it be replaced with a more modern and equally terrible copypasta (that isn't smut) than see it stay.

Crappy fanfics surely hold a special place in all our hearts, but just like it was time for Andy to grow and move on, so it is time for us. Onto new masterpieces of writing we must go.

[cacogen]

family-friendly wgw

[Pandarsenic]

A lot of people will probably be devil's advocate for it, probably for bad reasons, but even they won't really miss it.

Nobody is willing to actually argue that they want WGW in and think it's a good addition to the game, I rest my case

[cacogen]

I want WGW in and think it's a good addition to the game because the reaction from the crew is funny and it doesn't harm anyone

[Hulkamania]

I want WGW in and think it's a good addition to the game because the reaction from the crew is funny and it doesn't harm anyone

There have been two bans in the last week that involved WGW
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30299

is one, the other is your own.

In both of these the entire existence of WGW was used to justify peoples actions, and shows exactly what we've been talking about when we say it causes confusion around rule 8. The fact that you were directly involved in one these should make it more clear why this is an issue.
The other ban was quickly overturned but the fact that the incident occurs in the first place is evidence more that WGW being allowed leads to mixed messages regarding policy.

[RaveRadbury]

WGW has no special protections and can be treated like any other copypasta

For this reason we will be removing references to it in precedents and headmin rulings.

Headmin Votes:
RaveRadbury: Yes
Dragomagol: Yes
NamelessFairy: Yes