Rip trump

[Lumbermancer]

Bottom post of the previous page:

original point of the damn court is to maintain bipartisan neutrality, which with a stacked republican line-up is no longer possible.

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I wonder if there were any events that occurred during Trump's tenure that may have necessitated a significant amount of government spending.

https://www.businessinsider.com/charts- ... 20-10?IR=T

It wasn't great even before The Event.

[Gamarr]

Expanding the supreme court is not only an effective plan to reduce ill-gotten seats (waaaah why are the democrats using the same playbook as the republicans, that's not faaaaaaaaaair) influence across the entire country, it's a reasonable progression given how influential these seats are. The country cannot be well represented by 9 people and the original point of the damn court is to maintain bipartisan neutrality, which with a stacked republican line-up is no longer possible.

It’s hard to take you seriously when you say shit like this

What you get for trying to take people seriously that think like this. 'My details matter more than yours and I don't like that he won last time so we're doing our best to stop him now, no matter the cost.'

Edit: I just want to make it clear I think Biden is shit, I just think Trump is more shit.

[Timonk]

i agree with rustled

[Togopal]

STFU Kanyes gonna win

[MMMiracles]

I wonder if there were any events that occurred during Trump's tenure that may have necessitated a significant amount of government spending.

If you're alluding to the covid pandemic, as far as I can tell the chart is referencing to numbers from last November.

[Armhulen]

Ouch!

[Farquaar]

This article, current as of July 2020, doesn't really support that graph's validity. If it's anything to go by, Reagan increased the debt by ~1.9 trillion, Bush senior by ~1.5 trillion, Clinton by ~1.4 trillion, Bush junior by ~5.8 trillion, and Obama by ~8.5 trillion.

It does show that Trump is a big spender though. Apparently his planned budgets will sum up to an ~8.3 trillion increase over both terms. Pretty bad, but also comparable to Obama, who didn't have the COVID crisis to deal with.

[Timonk]

obama had a whole ass ISIS to deal with, also over 2 terms

[XivilaiAnaxes]

obama had a whole ass ISIS to deal with, also over 2 terms

Being fair, I'm not sure if that changed the budget - doesnt defence swallow the same bottomless money pit regardless of situation (bar something like a world war)

[Rustledjimm]

The army even keeps telling congress it doesn't need more stuff.

But congress needs to give something back for all the bribes the private military industry has given them.

[Stickymayhem]

I wonder if there were any events that occurred during Trump's tenure that may have necessitated a significant amount of government spending.

Expanding the supreme court is not only an effective plan to reduce ill-gotten seats (waaaah why are the democrats using the same playbook as the republicans, that's not faaaaaaaaaair) influence across the entire country, it's a reasonable progression given how influential these seats are. The country cannot be well represented by 9 people and the original point of the damn court is to maintain bipartisan neutrality, which with a stacked republican line-up is no longer possible.

Would you be okay if Mitch McConnell expanded the SC tomorrow and filled it with Republican appointees, then? After all, if 9 seats are not enough, why not add more seats right now?

Obama oversaw a recession with several orders of magnitude more success. His failure to handle covid properly is his fault. In any case, the chart doesn't even include Covid



No I would not be okay with Mitch expanding the seats, because as a pragmatist I give zero fucks about civility politics and care about the consequential damage to human rights. Mitch McConnell has repeatedly proven that he doesn't give a fuck either and has broken norm after norm proving it so playing the "THEN WHY DON'T THEEEEEEY DO IT" game is idiotic.

What you get for trying to take people seriously that think like this. 'My details matter more than yours and I don't like that he won last time so we're doing our best to stop him now, no matter the cost.'

Oh my god you're so close. "My facts are more relevant and accurate than yours" Yes. Thank you. Exactly. No wonder you crashed and burned as an admin lmao you literally dispute objective realities because they're inconvenient.

And yes I will always support harm reduction in any area where possible and practicable. When the current president is actively harmful replacing him with a potato would reduce harm. I don't have to like uncle joe to know he'll do less damage and actually push some fucking climate change legislation before we all burn to death.

Your mum won't be able to turn the basement's air con high enough to keep you from melting forever Gamarr

This article, current as of July 2020, doesn't really support that graph's validity. If it's anything to go by, Reagan increased the debt by ~1.9 trillion, Bush senior by ~1.5 trillion, Clinton by ~1.4 trillion, Bush junior by ~5.8 trillion, and Obama by ~8.5 trillion.

It does show that Trump is a big spender though. Apparently his planned budgets will sum up to an ~8.3 trillion increase over both terms. Pretty bad, but also comparable to Obama, who didn't have the COVID crisis to deal with.

Also, compare the fact that Obama drove up debt to offer an actual healthcare option to millions of people, essentially trying to decommodify portions of healthcare to stop people dying, and Trump did it to provide the top 1% a nice big tax cut (They now pay less tax than the bottom 50% of households for the first time in history).

After the tax cuts, economic growth did not increase, hiring slowed and wage growth didn't move at all. He spent a trillion just to give money to the richest in the country, while Obama tried to provide healthcare.

I don't give a fuck about Obama but conflating these two cements your stupidity

[Rustledjimm]

that money is gonna trickle down any moment now.


Any moment.

We've been waiting since the 80s for it to trickle down.

But it's coming.

They promised us it would.



Any moment now.

[Farquaar]

No I would not be okay with Mitch expanding the seats, because as a pragmatist I give zero fucks about civility politics and care about the consequential damage to human rights. Mitch McConnell has repeatedly proven that he doesn't give a fuck either and has broken norm after norm proving it so playing the "THEN WHY DON'T THEEEEEEY DO IT" game is idiotic.

I don’t even know why I bothered making a serious reply to you. You’re completely unhinged.

[Stickymayhem]

No I would not be okay with Mitch expanding the seats, because as a pragmatist I give zero fucks about civility politics and care about the consequential damage to human rights. Mitch McConnell has repeatedly proven that he doesn't give a fuck either and has broken norm after norm proving it so playing the "THEN WHY DON'T THEEEEEEY DO IT" game is idiotic.

I don’t even know why I bothered making a serious reply to you. You’re completely unhinged.

[thehogshotgun]

God, I feel like I’m on reddit rn

[thehogshotgun]

God, I feel like I’m on reddit rn

[Farquaar]

God, I feel like I’m on reddit rn

[Stickymayhem]

God, I feel like I’m on reddit rn

"ironic cringe is only ok if it's me saying the n-word"

actual real quote from an actual real hog gun we got them we got them

[thehogshotgun]

Oh no they found the quote I’m ruined! Anyways I’m gonna go on the real /tg/ and farm krieg player tears

[CitrusGender]

it was my hope 4 years ago that this election might be more sane than the one at the time

I was completely fucking wrong

This one is honestly worse than last time and I don't think the arguments for and against anything have gotten better. Honestly, it feels the same as 4 years ago.

anyways though, I ended up voting for Biden in the most begrudging way possible.

I don't agree with him socially, I probably don't agree with him economically, and I definitely don't like his party. But god damn, I cannot see myself having Trump in office for another 4 years. America can't stay as a leader in the world with that dude in power with the amount of hatred that he gets from other countries. Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand are already drifting further away from NATO and these past 4 years have further isolated the US from their allies with this protectionism in the economy that is not sustainable. A 33% tariff works both ways with the US and China and honestly a more open US economy is going to be the only way into the future.

additionally, although I think the green new deal is batshit insane: I don't really think that Trump's current policy of subsidizing the coal and oil industry is going to be good for the economy and the environment as a whole. This shit reeks of a global catastrophic meltdown within the century that I don't want to deal with. Granted, I think Trump was right that other countries aren't paying their fair share when it comes to adjusting to this crisis since developing countries are still polluting en-masse. It's not wrong that they didn't have time to develop industrially like we did, though I don't think the Earth cares about that.

In any event, what a shit election. I just want to see the US stay strong and I don't think further isolating other countries with Trumps strong arm diplomacy is going to do us any favors in the future.

If a less nationalistic and protectionist conservative is nominated next election, I can imagine I know where my vote will go.

[wesoda25]

Same!

[cacogen]

I actually read this thread

[iksyp]

i didn't vote because i live in california
if i voted republican or third party it wouldn't matter because california is going to be blue anyways
if i voted democrat, everyone else is voting democrat so it doesn't make a difference
state can suck my left nut and most of the major problems it has can be traced to the state itself being governed over by a bunch of incompetent fuckwits

[XivilaiAnaxes]

"Heh I support 'harm reduction' that means my idiotic 'bro just ruin the governmental structure so the guys I prefer win now' is actually common sense and not juvenile at all".

FDR of all presidents was the last guy to try "fuck the supreme court I'm just gonna add judges who don't overrule me". If FDR couldn't get that through no way either of those mouthbreathers will.

[SpaceManiac]

i didn't vote because i live in california
[...]
the state itself being governed over by a bunch of incompetent fuckwits

itt: everybody pretends that city, state, and federal legislature elections do not exist

[Timonk]

an open economy leads to countries bing reliant on other countries, meaning they can be forced to do bad shit because they rely on 1 country that isnt themselves
a closed economy leads to social isolation

pick your poison

[Timonk]

and dont come with "hurr just import a bit from every country that means no one can influence you"

1. political puppets act with their big countries so youre fucked
2. youre not gonna get what you need from small countries

[XSI]

This thread is still exactly as I expected it to be
US politics is toxic and anyone unironically supporting any of it is toxic too

Just a few more days and we can go back to the usual schedule of political riots rather than advanced riots and fraud

[Taraiph]

I read this thread.

I've been on twitter politics threads populated by people who literally do not understand a damn thing about the world outside of twitter and somehow I feel dumber having read this thread than any of the previous ones.

Boy, these next four years are going to be the worst ones of my life aren't they.

[Timonk]

Didn't we say that about the last 3 years too

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Didn't we say that about the last 3 years too

The bad man politician is in, wow the world is going to hell!!

- Cassius 44BC

Bonus shout out to the "heh everyone is stupid except me" trope.

[Timonk]

lol

[TheWiznard]

this is maybe just me but look at how elections are publicized today vs before 2000 like was there ever so much of the msm bashing one person repeatedly? I honestly can't find anything on msm about pro trump and doesn't that seem weird to you? is being forced in one of two directions really freedom? is having only two directions at all really freedom? lol I'm not voting so don't get me wrong this isn't complaining about who wins who loses I think the whole thing has been fucked for honestly a long time and the way our technology has changed has just fucked whatever system we have up completely, there is no possible way that the people who founded usa could have ever imagined what our tech would look like now and people think the system they built can still run smoothly?

[oranges]

he deserves it

[MisterPerson]

an open economy leads to countries bing reliant on other countries, meaning they can be forced to do bad shit because they rely on 1 country that isnt themselves
a closed economy leads to social isolation

pick your poison

Only be open with countries you want to associate with. Lay down conditions they have to follow. International trade is not all-or-nothing. Just because you want to trade with Italy does not mean you also have to trade with North Korea.

itt: everybody pretends that city, state, and federal legislature elections do not exist

I voted in noncompetitive federal, senate and house races. The polling place was a government building and the only street leading in had yard signs for only one party literally on public property. The singular local election was a state house seat with just one candidate running. I had to wait in line for about an hour.

Meanwhile if I had skipped the hassle I woulda saved myself an hour AND got out of jury duty!

FDR of all presidents was the last guy to try "fuck the supreme court I'm just gonna add judges who don't overrule me". If FDR couldn't get that through no way either of those mouthbreathers will.

FDR's goal was actually not to have more justices on the Supreme Court, it was to have the court stop striking down New Deal legislation. After threatening court packing, the court did an about face and upheld legislation they previously declared unconstitutional. So really FDR got exactly what he wanted.

[cacogen]

this is maybe just me but look at how elections are publicized today vs before 2000 like was there ever so much of the msm bashing one person repeatedly? I honestly can't find anything on msm about pro trump and doesn't that seem weird to you?

Trump is a constant shitshow of new lows so of course when the men who have sex with men reports on him they have to cover it and whatever good he's done for the country and/or his supporters (dunno lol) is overshadowed by his constant fuck-ups and audacious violations of political, social and legal norms. It's hard to portray Trump in a good light without ignoring, misrepresenting or lying about most of what he does. There's also the fact that the mainstream media is not unlike clickbait headlines online in that they have learned to leverage outrage and base emotion in order to get views. So simply going "Trump didn't do something terrible today!" is not newsworthy (although really it would be).

Also I feel old as fuck every day especially on here with these 20 year old whippersnappers and yet I was not old enough to know about what was going on in the media before 2000. So for me too Bush is the last President whose presidency I remember. But I'm pretty sure Reagan wasn't much beloved. Bush Sr. too. And Clinton had that whole blowjob thing. I'm guessing if any of them had been as bad as Trump all you would've been hearing about them would've been negative too.

[XSI]

Media before 2000 was pretty similar
They just tried to hide it a bit more and people let them get away with more too. There was a lot more trust in the media that has been completely shattered in the last few years

[XivilaiAnaxes]

But I'm pretty sure Reagan wasn't much beloved.

To be fair, Reagan won literally every state bar (correction - 6 in his first term against the incumbent Carter and 2 in his re-election campaign) 1, even if this was partially due to his opponents being amazingly unpopular (I imagine Hillary wanted to do this vs trump but she was entirely unlikeable).

[Grazyn]

America can't stay as a leader in the world with that dude in power

I hope he wins then

[DrPillzRedux]

rip biden

[wesoda25]

[Rustledjimm]

An interesting night to be sure.

Trump already stating that the democrats are trying to steal the election before it's even over. Even if Biden wins there will need to be a lot of effort put towards fixing the democratic functioning of the country. The way Trump and his party have campaigned and run roughshod over the very laws and conventions of the US system will not be fixed overnight.

[DrPillzRedux]

i read the above post in an oblivion npc voice

[oranges]

i read the above post in an oblivion npc voice

speaking of npc voices where's the fucking game

[DrPillzRedux]

i write books now sorry

[Super Aggro Crag]

An interesting night to be sure.

Trump already stating that the democrats are trying to steal the election before it's even over. Even if Biden wins there will need to be a lot of effort put towards fixing the democratic functioning of the country. The way Trump and his party have campaigned and run roughshod over the very laws and conventions of the US system will not be fixed overnight.

You're supporting the people who want to abolish the electoral college, retard.

[Rustledjimm]

There are pros and cons to the electoral college.

It balances public representation and state representation.

There are reasons for wanting to abolish it and reasons for reform and also wanting to keep it. For instance whether your belief is that the majority of Americans is more important or majority of States is more important.

Edit:

For example, three of the Founding Fathers wanted to change the way the Electoral College currently performs as they saw it as an abuse of democracy. Jefferson, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton wanted to amend the college to force states to use the district system. Where electors would be chosen by the voters of districts and not chosen by a particular political party or figure.

[cacogen]

We got rid of FPP in like '96. I don't know if MMP is optimal but it's better than the candidate with less votes winning.

[Rustledjimm]

FPTP is a really shitty voting system. I quite liked the MMP (known as AMS in the UK for some reason) system that the Scottish Parliament uses.

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Wow, Trump won. How? Speaking as righty myself who knew Trump was going to win in 2016 before the primary voting even started. How did he win THIS time?

The guy aped through 4 years of incompetence with scandal after scandal after scraping through by the skin of his teeth in 2016. How did his election performance not go absolutely down the toilet? Or at least enough to just lose this time?

Burgers, you confuse me.

[Rustledjimm]

He hasn't won yet, despite his own pronouncements.