Remove Hierophant
- Omni
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Remove Hierophant
I am aware that this will be probably called anti-fun (which it is)/Ided (which it isn't) PR idea, but it has to be said.
While mining as a whole probably needs a rework and it's been discussed for longest time, it doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon, which I think calls for changes like this.
It's hillariously easy boss for how powerful reward it provides, which works both for mining, combat and as it's teleport system, turning that one miner to acquire it first demi-God, and miners even without it pack shitton of great tools for either of these. It can and is easily speedrun in few minutes by anyone half proficient at mining and is one of these staple robust gamer tools, and it's nowhere near hard enough compared to Legion/Ashdragon/Bubblegum/King Goat/Colossus rewards from which are ironically less sought than hieroclub.
I think it'd be wise decision to disable it, at least until either it or whole mining sees some rebalance.
While mining as a whole probably needs a rework and it's been discussed for longest time, it doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon, which I think calls for changes like this.
It's hillariously easy boss for how powerful reward it provides, which works both for mining, combat and as it's teleport system, turning that one miner to acquire it first demi-God, and miners even without it pack shitton of great tools for either of these. It can and is easily speedrun in few minutes by anyone half proficient at mining and is one of these staple robust gamer tools, and it's nowhere near hard enough compared to Legion/Ashdragon/Bubblegum/King Goat/Colossus rewards from which are ironically less sought than hieroclub.
I think it'd be wise decision to disable it, at least until either it or whole mining sees some rebalance.
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Re: Remove Hierophant
nerf hiero club in pressurized areas and we gucci
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- Omni
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Re: Remove Hierophant
How do you nerf it exactly? It doesn't deal huge damage even, but its attacks cover huge areas instantly, have low cooldown, one attack is homing target for quite a long time, and there's teleport function on top of that. And there's barely and downside to it other than possible friendly fire.
It doesn't solve the issue ebcause even on lavaland it's incredibly good weapon, basically end-game grade equipment available to any half robust miner within first 5-10 minutes of shifttime. It's still huge edge over other miners.
It doesn't solve the issue ebcause even on lavaland it's incredibly good weapon, basically end-game grade equipment available to any half robust miner within first 5-10 minutes of shifttime. It's still huge edge over other miners.
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Re: Remove Hierophant
throw bombs at the problem
- wesoda25
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Re: Remove Hierophant
so make heiro harder to beat
- TheMidnghtRose
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Re: Remove Hierophant
Either make it have more health than the other bosses, raise the cooldown on its attacks in club form, or make it loose its ability to attack after a set amount of attacks when off the lavalaland z-level. Removal isnt the way to go.
Edit: This is coming from someone who has taken the time to master killing the most of the megafauna with ONLY CRUSHER and WITHOUT the powerful barrier attachment from this boss.
Edit: This is coming from someone who has taken the time to master killing the most of the megafauna with ONLY CRUSHER and WITHOUT the powerful barrier attachment from this boss.
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Re: Remove Hierophant
ok I cant code for ice moon right now because some fucker messed up cave generation so ill make this boss harder yw
the club is too op for mining and the boss dies in 2 seconds is the tl;dr of this btw
lol jk cave gen is fixed bye
the club is too op for mining and the boss dies in 2 seconds is the tl;dr of this btw
lol jk cave gen is fixed bye
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Re: Remove Hierophant
Spoiler:
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Re: Remove Hierophant
isn't a buff as easy as lowering attack cooldown?
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- Taylork2
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Re: Remove Hierophant
Not really, while Heiro club is good, it's not OP for miners.
Advanced plasma cutters are way faster and allow you to move diagonally.
You can't put the club in your backpack or on your belt.
Damage is mostly for show and attacks easily dodged.
Teleport is one way to a single beacon, you can't set up multiple beacons to create a network like Fultons can. Teleport also is slower than red/blue cubes and the teleport can be interrupted pretty easily.
And getting it quickly is questionable, you have to reach the arena first, which is RNG dependent. You might be able to start fighting the heiro within 2 minutes because it spawned next to the mining base. Though it might take 15 minutes because it spawned in the Northeast corner and there are practically no mining tunnels and a lava path blocks your way.
Anyways, the only people this will really affect BALANCE wise are people who like playing Ash Walkers, Free Golems, and Lizards.
Advanced plasma cutters are way faster and allow you to move diagonally.
You can't put the club in your backpack or on your belt.
Damage is mostly for show and attacks easily dodged.
Teleport is one way to a single beacon, you can't set up multiple beacons to create a network like Fultons can. Teleport also is slower than red/blue cubes and the teleport can be interrupted pretty easily.
And getting it quickly is questionable, you have to reach the arena first, which is RNG dependent. You might be able to start fighting the heiro within 2 minutes because it spawned next to the mining base. Though it might take 15 minutes because it spawned in the Northeast corner and there are practically no mining tunnels and a lava path blocks your way.
Anyways, the only people this will really affect BALANCE wise are people who like playing Ash Walkers, Free Golems, and Lizards.
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Re: Remove Hierophant
Honest to god, if you want to make this boss harder, all you have to do is rework his teleport spam attack. It leaves him completely open and lets you rack up insane amounts of damage because Hiero is a brainlet.
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