CLONING REMOVAL FEEDBACK

[skoglol]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Reviving still take take too much time and i dont see anyone making any steps to fix this.
So cloning removal sucks.

You've downvoted a PR making it easier for doctors to deal with death in the last few days. Begone.

[kopoba]

Reviving still take take too much time and i dont see anyone making any steps to fix this.
So cloning removal sucks.

Objectively wrong.

For most cases that can't be straight defibbed (Dead within the last 4 to 10 minutes) a bypass and defib with tend wounds OR chem injection from a kit in the middle is more than enough. Assuming basic tend wounds and a fully damaged 200 brute or burn damage body you're looking at about a minute half revival. (healing to the point of defib + bypass + defib)

This is significantly faster than roundstart cloning, which took 3 minutes.

Its not wrong. Yeh its sounds cool with all that surgery and chems but ITS TOO MUCH TIME. You can repeat your mantra about how cool removing cloning is but from my view and practice as doctor its sucks.

[Sheodir]

what if they're husked

Husking got super changed recently. Not only is it much harder to meet a husk outside of ling rounds but making instabitaluri heal husk when burn damage is less than 50 makes it a non issue if you have even a half decent chemist. I've been forcing my Chemists to make a few patches of it every roundstart as CMO and Husks haven't been an issue since.

Its not wrong. Yeh its sounds cool with all that surgery and chems but ITS TOO MUCH TIME. You can repeat your mantra about how cool removing cloning is but from my view and practice as doctor its sucks.

I just explained how it takes less time than cloning did. Even upgraded cloning took two minutes, which bypass + defib still takes less than. You've also proven several times in this thread you don't really play much Medical, given a lack of knowledge of even basic medical procedures and common occurences. If you ever played MD it was an eon ago, certainly before Cobbychem became standard.

[kopoba]

You've downvoted a PR making it easier for doctors to deal with death in the last few days. Begone.

Probably because removing cloning bad in first place and all that "PR with fix" will lead to cloning removal PR will be merged permanently and i dont like it. And stop spying what im down voting pervert =P

[skoglol]

I check who downvotes because when bad take people downvote my stuff I know I am doing something right.

[Sheodir]

I check who downvotes because when bad take people downvote my stuff I know I am doing something right.

I love you skog but don't become oranges 2.0. Actually engaging with people who disagree with your PRs is one of the thing that sets you apart in a good way.

Kopoba is hard to deal with. He straight up ignores arguments against him when he isn't saying 'no u'.

[kopoba]

I just explained how it takes less time than cloning did. Even upgraded cloning took two minutes, which bypass + defib still takes less than. You've also proven several times in this thread you don't really play much Medical, given a lack of knowledge of even basic medical procedures and common occurences. If you ever played MD it was an eon ago, certainly before Cobbychem became standard.

All other shity procedures will include fixinng ~200-400 damage of brut/burn, printing liver,lungs, heart, replacing them in victim. Maybe printing limbs and attaching them. This shit will take around 10 minutes or more. If i remember right brain also taking damage over time so i think if body lays to long you must get brain from body use mantilol on it and insert it back. +~3minutes to do surgery and get mantitol.
Imagine how many operation you must do to revive one man versus cloning.

You cant beat cloning surrender yourself.

[kopoba]

Kopoba is hard to deal with. He straight up ignores arguments against him when he isn't saying 'no u'.

Its not hard to deal with me i just play alot and feels players pain how i feel it myself.

[Sheodir]

]All other shity procedures will include fixinng ~200-400 damage of brut/burn, printing liver,lungs, heart, replacing them in victim. Maybe printing limbs and attaching them. This shit will take around 10 minutes or more. If i remember right brain also taking damage over time so i think if body lays to long you must get brain from body use mantilol on it and insert it back. +~3minutes to do surgery and get mantitol.
Imagine how many operation you must do to revive one man versus cloning.

This shit is just... wrong.

Again, stop reading git posts and play the damn game. Fixing 200 to 400 burn or brute damage isn't necessary, there is a threshold to defib that is quite fast to heal with Tend Wounds, specially advanced. Printing limbs and organs isn't necessary for revival - organs take a long ass time to break aside from the heart, which only requires a short bypass surgery. The brain needs thirty minutes to break, brain death and mannitol splashing haven't been that common an occurrence for eons. I've explained in detail the new surgeries that'll make most of you time in Medical and you've refused to listen because you clearly don't play Medical.

Some players are making good arguments on bodycount and other such matters that can be actually discussed, but you're just wildly trying to guess whilst getting shit so wrong that it is just sad.

Kopoba is hard to deal with. He straight up ignores arguments against him when he isn't saying 'no u'.

Its not hard to deal with me i just play alot and feels players pain how i feel it myself.

Every time you post you show clearly you don't play the game, at least not anytime this year or in the department we're discussing. I mean, really? Mannitol splashing?

[kopoba]

This shit is just... wrong.

Again, stop reading git posts and play the damn game. Fixing 200 to 400 burn or brute damage isn't necessary, there is a threshold to defib that is quite fast to heal with Tend Wounds, specially advanced. Printing limbs and organs isn't necessary for revival - organs take a long ass time to break aside from the heart, which only requires a short bypass surgery. The brain needs thirty minutes to break, brain death and mannitol splashing haven't been that common an occurrence for eons. I've explained in detail the new surgeries that'll make most of you time in Medical and you've refused to listen because you clearly don't play Medical.

Some players are making good arguments on bodycount and other such matters that can be actually discussed, but you're just wildly trying to guess whilst getting shit so wrong that it is just sad.

Dude i got 7k minutes as doctor and 3k as CMO i play the damn game
Lets take some round for example https://sb.atlantaned.space/rounds/129426
87 death for 120 minutes on extended
1 death per 1.37 minute
goodluck fixin this death conveyor without cloning

[Sheodir]

Dude i got 7k minutes as doctor and 3k as CMO i play the damn game
Lets take some round for example https://sb.atlantaned.space/rounds/129426
87 death for 120 minutes on extended
1 death per 1.37 minute
goodluck fixin this death conveyor without cloning

Cloning would literally not solve this "conveyor belt", at best alleviate it slightly. It'd take minutes to spit out each new revived person, still less than a Doctor actually working with surgeries.

Also, I checked the logs and this was a 2 hour shift on event hall of mostly no deaths with a pretty significant shuttle bombing at the end, where most deaths happened. Good try.

[oranges]

argue about how good you are in another thread.

[kopoba]

Cloning would literally not solve this "conveyor belt", at best alleviate it slightly. It'd take minutes to spit out each new revived person, still less than a Doctor actually working with surgeries.

Also, I checked the logs and this was a 2 hour shift on event hall of mostly no deaths with a pretty significant shuttle bombing at the end, where most deaths happened. Good try.

I think we looking different logs https://sb.atlantaned.space/deaths/round/129426/page/1 . And yes cloning will solve the problem 2-3 cloning pods and we good to go drink tea with catgirls and even 1 fully upgraded will poop clones like cookies and docs can revive other crew with head on right place organs that not rotting and with limbs while bad patients going to cloning.

[Sheodir]

Cloning would literally not solve this "conveyor belt", at best alleviate it slightly. It'd take minutes to spit out each new revived person, still less than a Doctor actually working with surgeries.

Also, I checked the logs and this was a 2 hour shift on event hall of mostly no deaths with a pretty significant shuttle bombing at the end, where most deaths happened. Good try.

I think we looking different logs https://sb.atlantaned.space/deaths/round/129426/page/1 . And yes cloning will solve the problem 2-3 cloning pods and we good to go drink tea with catgirls and even 1 fully upgraded will poop clones like cookies and docs can revive other crew with head on right place organs that not rotting and with limbs while bad patients going to cloning.

Fully upgraded cloning heals at 2 minutes. Logs for it were wrong - wrong yesterday night shift, one I was in - but scrolling through roundtime deaths hardly shows that carnage I expected. Most of these deaths were spaced out, with some being due to bombs and thus being 5 or 6 at a time. Difficult to deal with for those, but still faster than cloning 6 people.

You're just showing the kind of crutch behavior cloning incentivized.

I also never checked this resource much before, and 70 ish to 80 deaths in Event Hall seems normal. High population and all that. I do not have any reason to think this was an unusual carnage filled round.

[skoglol]

And yes cloning will solve the problem 2-3 cloning pods and we good to go drink tea with catgirls and even 1 fully upgraded will poop clones like cookies and docs can revive other crew with head on right place organs that not rotting and with limbs while bad patients going to cloning.

This is why I want cloners to go away. You should have to work to get far gone people back. So far you have made lots of arguments about how one doctor wont have time to bring back the entire crew, and you are correct. One doctor wont be able to do that easily.

[Sheodir]

And yes cloning will solve the problem 2-3 cloning pods and we good to go drink tea with catgirls and even 1 fully upgraded will poop clones like cookies and docs can revive other crew with head on right place organs that not rotting and with limbs while bad patients going to cloning.

This is why I want cloners to go away. You should have to work to get far gone people back. So far you have made lots of arguments about how one doctor wont have time to bring back the entire crew, and you are correct. One doctor wont be able to do that easily.

Even then it is gloriously overestimating how good cloning was, which I'm seeing a lot. It's like nobody noticed cloning didn't actually get used that much in recent Med, which it really didn't.

[Mickyan]

Lack of space to treat patients without other doctors and random people crowding around is a big issue, we need patient rooms back and I'd say at least 4 stasis beds linked to surgery computers (since surgery progression is linked to these, they're pretty much required to be effective), two surgery theaters are unnecessary on the other hand

Missing organs not showing up on health scanners is infuriating but I know that's being looked into, disemboweled bodies should probably have specific examine text about that giant gaping hole in their chest

These are the two major outstanding issues I've noticed at the moment, I'd like to see some more stuff to unlock through RnD to keep up with the rising chaos as the round progresses but that's a long term goal

[kopoba]

This is why I want cloners to go away. You should have to work to get far gone people back. So far you have made lots of arguments about how one doctor wont have time to bring back the entire crew, and you are correct. One doctor wont be able to do that easily.

Not doctor suffer from this situation but poor dead dudes. Doctors feels okay in ocean of dead bodys and can just ignore them and go drink tea with catgirls.
You asking people to work but no one likes to work only some psyho.
Its like asking officer to arest greitide or engis setup engine or hop work with hopline miners mine scientist research. Most of the time this will be unsuccessful and same works with doctors.

[Sheodir]

Lack of space to treat patients without other doctors and random people crowding around is a big issue, we need patient rooms back and I'd say at least 4 stasis beds linked to surgery computers (since surgery progression is linked to these, they're pretty much required to be effective), two surgery theaters are unnecessary on the other hand

Missing organs not showing up on health scanners is infuriating but I know that's being looked into, disemboweled bodies should probably have specific examine text about that giant gaping hole in their chest

These are the two major outstanding issues I've noticed at the moment, I'd like to see some more stuff to unlock through RnD to keep up with the rising chaos as the round progresses but that's a long term goal

My proposed changes:

- Have a 'ward' where PMs can drop off patients in a row of stasis beds (4 or so) and normal beds for non emergency patients. separate by drapes and some kind of color coding - so the red ward for emergencies with stasis beds, a yellow ward for serious but not urgent cases (sickness, mass trauma, etc) and a green ward for SSDs and flavor

- Switch surgery beds with stasis beds because why not

- Keep the two surgery theaters but make one less "backup", so they can be rotating surgeries on sets of two and only build surgery computers on the holding area beds

- A freezer to store full bodies and organs on to replace the "smart" freezer

We have the extra space now and Meta could use a rework of its massive morgue.

Not doctor suffer from this situation but poor dead dudes. Doctors feels okay in ocean of dead bodys and can just ignore them and go drink tea with catgirls.
You asking people to work but no one likes to work only some psyho.
Its like asking officer to arest greitide or engis setup engine or hop work with hopline miners mine scientist research. Most of the time this will be unsuccessful and same works with doctors.

You literally play this game to work. As a Sec main, the greytide exists to give us work during green shifts and is more than welcome. HoPs often relish working the line. (HoP mains anyway, the ones that aren't just "shit didn't roll cap)

This take is bonkers

[Super Aggro Crag]

what if they're husked

Husking got super changed recently. Not only is it much harder to meet a husk outside of ling rounds but making instabitaluri heal husk when burn damage is less than 50 makes it a non issue if you have even a half decent chemist. I've been forcing my Chemists to make a few patches of it every roundstart as CMO and Husks haven't been an issue since.

Its not wrong. Yeh its sounds cool with all that surgery and chems but ITS TOO MUCH TIME. You can repeat your mantra about how cool removing cloning is but from my view and practice as doctor its sucks.

I just explained how it takes less time than cloning did. Even upgraded cloning took two minutes, which bypass + defib still takes less than. You've also proven several times in this thread you don't really play much Medical, given a lack of knowledge of even basic medical procedures and common occurences. If you ever played MD it was an eon ago, certainly before Cobbychem became standard.

it took me a real long time to get the chemists to make synthflesh last night

[Sheodir]

it took me a real long time to get the chemists to make synthflesh last night

I'm not gonna deny this can be frustrating. Getting chemists to collaborate can be a fucking pain. As CMO I basically just hang over them like a vulture on roundstart and pester them until I have a few dozen patches. Leaving it for later is always misery.

[Super Aggro Crag]

they were busy dicking around with pipes

CHEMFACTORY YAY

eventually they got it set up nice but still it was frustrating having a husk so early in the shift

[Sheodir]

they were busy dicking around with pipes

CHEMFACTORY YAY

eventually they got it set up nice but still it was frustrating having a husk so early in the shift

Maybe Medbay could have some form of "Spacing Treatment Kit" of some sort that starts with a couple patches amidst random burn treatment and epinephrine medipens. Not a lot, but just something to offset roundstart husks.

[Super Aggro Crag]

i think he might have been changeamaligned there was a lot of people running around as the same persone

[wesoda25]

Just experienced a highpop round with numerous murderboners, I wasn’t a doctor but had to step in. I really like that state medbay is in right now, it was a challenge and really fun to manage time/resources in order to get the most useful people ressed the quickest. I really think medbay could use more than two stasis beds though, something to throw people on to keep their organs from decaying. Maybe a special type of morgue tray which suspends a person in stasis? We could put a few of said trays on each map to help with overload.

[skoglol]

You can currently inject corpses with formaldehyde to stop organ decay, but I dont think most people know. While its easy to make, I think it should be easier to administer as well. There is currently a small amount in epi pens, but those are limited stock.
Increasing the amount of treatment space is important too, but mapping is a pain and I havent gotten around to it yet. If someone else is willing to take a crack at it, give me a ping on discord.

I also have been mulling over what to do with the surgery computer, op tables and stasis beds. How they work right now is clunky and messy, and I dont like it much. I dont think you should be reliant on one for certain upgraded surgeries at the very least, and quite frankly I would personally prefer a more permanent solution than just band aiding it once more.

[Lazengann]

You can buy advanced health kits that are synthflesh packed from the vending machine, if you don't have the cash just raid the guy's ID and make him pay for his own treatment

[skoglol]

There are two sprays of synthflesh and the two premium kits in the roundstart vendor. Both contain 60u synthflesh each, so a dehusking from vendor material will set you back 1000 credits in the case of the sprays or 2200 credits if you pick up two kits. Kits of course contain some other stuff too to float the cost.

[Dr_bee]

An advanced form of surgical drapes that can apply the advanced surgeries anywhere would be a neat way to make medical less reliant on surgical computers.

Also, move one of the stasis beds into the main surgical wing, leaving one in the old sleeper room. Most of the time doctors move the surgical computers into the much more public sleeper room because it makes treatment easier but it also leads to an absolute mess of people pushing each other and stealing things. Having one stasis bed open for regular treatment and another for surgery proper would solve that problem, and also give a little bit of triage conflict over the main surgical wing, as if it is in use you have to fall back on the regular surgical table or use the one in treatment.

[wesoda25]

Making operating computers able to be put over walls might clean things up a little

[Sheodir]

Crag also brought up the idea of having a public access 'waiting room' and the rest of Medbay is locked off for Medical personnel only, and further into Medbay than the current doors. This is to try and establish a buffer between the randos and the health personnel - less assistants waltzing in mid surgery. Honestly, this is all coming to mean "removing cloning necessitates remapping the entirety of Medbay".

[Mickyan]

Not a bad idea to tie available surgeries to surgical drape types

[Sheodir]

Not a bad idea to tie available surgeries to surgical drape types

I dislike it because the idea was make people do surgery in medbay. If its tied to a drape they can just do it wherever. Making stasis beds the default Surgery beds would basically be enough, although I also added the idea that some surgeries should either be synced to or immediatelly available if wearing nitrile gloves to specialize the role a bit.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Not a bad idea to tie available surgeries to surgical drape types

I dislike it because the idea was make people do surgery in medbay. If its tied to a drape they can just do it wherever. Making stasis beds the default Surgery beds would basically be enough, although I also added the idea that some surgeries should either be synced to or immediatelly available if wearing nitrile gloves to specialize the role a bit.

theres a plethora of surgical junk in map maintenance, up to and including actual surgical tables and drapes, and i still never see anyone doing surgery anywhere but medical bay. I've never even seen a doctor doing field triage, its often just "drag the bleeding sucker to medbay and then defib them rather than try to save their life"

If advanced drapes incentivized doing the faster healing surgeries in an emergency in the hallway itd be cool

[Sheodir]

If advanced drapes incentivized doing the faster healing surgeries in an emergency in the hallway itd be cool

This is true, it kinda is incentivized to stay in Medbay by the fact trying to drag the tools out gets you shouted at, but I like that it stays there and would want to keep them there rather than hallway surgery. BUT at the same time I like the idea of it going to the nitrile gloves instead of a better type of drapes, honestly, if we're gonna do it like this.

[Dr_bee]

Honestly, this is all coming to mean "removing cloning necessitates remapping the entirety of Medbay".

Having played a round with a lot of casualties, yes. Medbay does not have any sort of flow, there is no place to store people waiting for treatment, treating people is done in a high as fuck traffic area because stasis beds are too good not to use.

Medbay needs a remap bad if doctors are expected to actually work instead of being glorified patch dispensers.

[BadSS13Player]

IMO now that players have more experience with non-cloning revival and there were PRs to improve it, the PR should be un-testmerge in order to test new Medbay with cloning.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Im gonna catch a lot of flack for this but i would be happy if cloning was brought back but with stiffer requirements like needing the broth to be stocked with chemicals and having the person doing the cloning having to sit there and babysit the tube and perform maintenance minigames to ensure the clone doesnt come out nonviable, fucked up, or as a ravenous hostile blob of angry tumors. The doctor still has to be "engaged" and i would NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING MEDBAY DEALING WITH ALL THESE RETARDS SHOVING PAST ME FOR THE SOLE REASON OF MAKING MY DAY A LITTLE MORE IRRITATING.

Plus i like the cloning fitting with Nanotrasen being so callous with their employees lives and souls and i miss having lots of dead bodies that were cloned that you could harvest organa from, play with, and turn into burgies

[Sheodir]

Im gonna catch a lot of flack for this but i would be happy if cloning was brought back but with stiffer requirements like needing the broth to be stocked with chemicals and having the person doing the cloning having to sit there and babysit the tube and perform maintenance minigames to ensure the clone doesnt come out nonviable, fucked up, or as a ravenous hostile blob of angry tumors. The doctor still has to be "engaged" and i would NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING MEDBAY DEALING WITH ALL THESE RETARDS SHOVING PAST ME FOR THE SOLE REASON OF MAKING MY DAY A LITTLE MORE IRRITATING.

Plus i like the cloning fitting with Nanotrasen being so callous with their employees lives and souls and i miss having lots of dead bodies that were cloned that you could harvest organa from, play with, and turn into burgies

I was watching WARS IN THE STARS THE SIXTH yesterday and I realized that coupled with what you said one thing would be a great incentive to make people use surgery over cloning, and it'd be aside from the genetic damage to start with a fair bit of organ damage. Not non-functional levels, but higher in the non essential parts - so you stumble out of cloning half-blind, with a stutter and a mighty headache.

I actually like the corporate angle to souls and bodies you mentioned - hell, I always pictured Lavaland mining as basically proof Nanotrasen will go extract energy from Hell if they have to, Doom 2016 style, but feel we are not out of the adaptational period to new Medbay yet.

[Timonk]

If you want it realistic go play bay or civ13

[Grazyn]

It's annoying to have people push you around while you're reviving someone but you can just use one of the surgery rooms or have medbay sec deal with trespassers. From what I've seen, the new reviving is faster than old cloning with the exception maybe of really old corpses (who are likely soulless anyway). I like that you can remove and replace non-functional organs in a single step instead of having to do multiple surgeries. Also I hate cobbychem because I don't understand it, so I only use tend wounds to heal people, this raises med skill and surgery speed thus making those long surgery steps like brain or heart fixing much more bearable.

[cacogen]

From what I've seen, the new reviving is faster than old cloning

lmao if true

Also I hate cobbychem because I don't understand it

me too. he could have written a guide

[Kryson]

I don't think medbay needs more buffs before we remove cloning except maybe a handheld surgical computer(A surgical app for the modular laptops would be cool.) to enable doctors to revive patients in "the field".

treating people is done in a high as fuck traffic area because stasis beds are too good not to use.

The solution is to remove stasis.

Ii would NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING MEDBAY DEALING WITH ALL THESE RETARDS SHOVING PAST ME FOR THE SOLE REASON OF MAKING MY DAY A LITTLE MORE IRRITATING.

Use the surgery theatre, i do, you can use formaldehyde to prevent organ decay.

It is much more engaging to use an appropriate mixture of medicines to keep the patient alive while you fix their blood loss / poisoning / heart failure / romerol tumour than relying on the crutch that is the magic stasis machine that prevents you from ever losing a patient.

Maybe Medbay could have some form of "Spacing Treatment Kit" of some sort that starts with a couple patches amidst random burn treatment and epinephrine medipens. Not a lot, but just something to offset roundstart husks.

Maybe husking should be a real issue rather than the trivial annoyance it is now. It takes like 3 seconds at the chem dispenser to fix.

Treating husking right now is about as easy as it can get.

[Ziiro]

Small brain: hard removal
Big brain: removal after a lot of testing and adjustments
Galaxy brain: making a system so unrecognizable that players pretend it doesn't exist anymore

[Sheodir]

snippity snoppity this post was enormity

This is like the shadow opposite of the pro cloning complaints by people who don't play, anti cloning complaints by people who don't play

Stasis beds are used because they're needed, formaldehyde has a lot overdose threshold and tends to go by too fast by tics in its current form, and there are too little surgery theatres for the usual amount of wounded going around at any one time. Formaldehyde is currently more balanced for the journey to Medbay, stasis is harmless in its current form and husking requiring a somewhat irritating to make resource to heal is... honestly, it bothers me a bit, but it's better than nothing. If rebalanced I'd like it to be a surgery that has a step that uses synthflesh but I have no idea how code-worthy that'd be given chem amounts can be variable in a patch or pill.

But keeping it fixable by synthflesh is probably fine, since it only works after you heal the body significantly anyway. It's a sufficient delay.

[skoglol]

I agree with a stasis nerf, likely maling them part reliant. I have some ideas for how that would work.

[PKPenguin321]

I agree with a stasis nerf, likely maling them part reliant. I have some ideas for how that would work.

Would be cool if it slowed body functions instead of stopping them outright when you have no upgrades. How slow would be upgrade dependent with the full stop at max upgrade, and then you could toggle between speeds with alt-click.

[Armhulen]

I agree with a stasis nerf, likely maling them part reliant. I have some ideas for how that would work.

Would be cool if it slowed body functions instead of stopping them outright when you have no upgrades. How slow would be upgrade dependent with the full stop at max upgrade, and then you could toggle between speeds with alt-click.

emagging rapidly aging and really quickly running the body hell yes

[Kryson]

This is like the shadow opposite of the pro cloning complaints by people who don't play, anti cloning complaints by people who don't play

Stasis beds are used because they're needed, formaldehyde has a lot overdose threshold and tends to go by too fast by tics in its current form.

This is a very ironic post.

I am well aware how the formaldehyde corpse preservation mechanic works, because i was the one who added it.

formaldehyde has no overdose threshold.

formaldehyde is a toxin, which means 3u and below is pretty much harmless.

1u formaldehyde is enough to keep a corpse fresh forever since corpses do not process reagent. Something with an infinite duration cannot reasonably be considered to wear off too fast.

[Sheodir]

This is a very ironic post.

I am well aware how the formaldehyde corpse preservation mechanic works, because i was the one who added it.

formaldehyde has no overdose threshold.

formaldehyde is a toxin, which means 3u and below is pretty much harmless.

1u formaldehyde is enough to keep a corpse fresh forever since corpses do not process reagent. Something with an infinite duration cannot reasonably be considered to wear off too fast.

I consider basically husking the corpse the overdose. However, the fact the reagent never ticks down is new to me. I use the analyzer on corpses a little after bringing them to Medbay and the formaldehyde is usually missing from the chems list. Are you sure they're not processed or lost somehow? Are they phased out when the patient is revived?

[Cobby]

when they are alive they get processed like every other reagent, toxins specifically getting btfo'd by the liver at a threshold.

formaldehyde to my knowledge doesn't husk a corpse and it's a trash poison if you plan on using it as such.