no more ERP

Hornygranny · Post by **Hornygranny** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:23 am #50410

Bottom post of the previous page:

We are banning ERP and sexual content on a trial basis. Thank you for your cooperation.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:31 am #51930

Wild Bill wrote:RIP "if you want ERP, go to TG"
Long live "if you want ERP, go to Bay"

Small chronicle of the "good" times:
http://pastebin.com/u/Kaizo

For the record, Bay bans ERP more rigorously than /tg/ ever will.

kosmos · Post by **kosmos** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:14 pm #51936

Saintish wrote:sos told me erping is allowed in the PDA chatroom
i'm satisfied, guys

I'm just gonna repeat this until the rule gets updated, since right now the rules don't represent this at all, it just says erp --> ban.

Sure I get why you don't want it added to the rules, because you guys want erp gone altogether, even if it wasn't harming anyone at all -- deny it all you want, but LOVE WILL CONQUER!

peoplearestrange · Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:30 pm

Was going to mod Kavaloosh post, but I feel it needs to be brought to EVERYONE's view that shit like this isn't ever helpful and is just bullshit.

Kavaloosh wrote:First they came for the puns in names
and I did not speak out
because I didn't have a pun in my name
Then they came for the mass murderers
and I did not speak out
because I was not an mass murderer
Then they came for the ERPers
and I did not speak out
because I was not an ERPer
Then they came for the players they didn't like
and I did not speak out
because I was not a player they didn't like
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Ok pretty funny, I actually got a kick out of this.

Kavaloosh wrote: don't just take these new draconian policy changes sitting down, please. for the sake of the server and it's population

paprika wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:And for the record I don't do ERP.
Everyone arguing against this policy ITT

If there are legitimate roleplayers who find ERP an important part of their roleplay experience and have both done it & plan to continue doing it, please raise your hand

'you don't NEEED to ERP, it's not integral to the gaame! why don't we make it bannable for no reason even though it really doesn't affect anyone that doesn't want it to affect them!

Made some good quotes and points.

Kavaloosh wrote: have any of you heard the boiling frog?
please stop and think about what you're doing
this is the longest post i've made in years, because this server and the people inside it matter to me. but when you try and take what people hold near and dear to them away, even if i don't necessarily agree with what it is, you shouldn't just let the powers that be take it away from you because 'it's not right' or 'it's not what we want to brand /tg/station as', 'w-we just want you to learn to role play creatively without whipping your dick out, and you're a faggot if you should be permabanned from the community if you do it! you fucking degenerate!'

Ok started good and then HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT THE FUCK OH GOD... Seriously why... Why would you...

Kavaloosh wrote: but i guess the bottom line is
go back to fucking goon hornygranny you faggot

he even locked his own admin feedback because he didn't like being called out for his shit actions

Icing-cake.

Please please PLEASE stop posting rubbish like this, it just utterly destroys any valid point you may have had to make and not only makes you seem like an asshole but it generally causes more hostile actions and more bullshit. And finally things NEVER get solved, resolved or altered after something like this.
I get the idea of venting your frustrations, but don't mix it up with your out and out wordy hate.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:34 pm #51985

How does it change the fact that nobody who wants ERP to remain does ERP and treats erpers like zoo animals they want to keep around to make fun of because it's part of epik /tg/ culture?

Oh right it doesn't

Any other stupid arguments to make and avoid addressing this point?

Thanks, we're done here, the thread can be locked and thrown in the incinerator now

Post by **oranges** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:43 pm #51990

Don't know why you would ERP on tg when Vore station has superior ERP roleplaying features.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:00 pm #52025

I think I've heard of this place before, and my opinion still stands as WAIT WHAT.

Sum Ting Wong · Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:13 pm

fleure wrote:(On Vorestation)
22:11 < Iamgoofball> we had a ton of vg nerds on the server though who figured out they could use the creepy vore shit to work like a clown car
22:11 < Iamgoofball> we hid all the nuke ops one round inside an assistant
22:11 < Iamgoofball> and had them burst out when the cap got near

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:57 am #52041

This is as sickening as it is hilarious.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:03 am #52042

Well that just singlehandedly killed the game everyone can go home now it's all over this day will live in infamy.

Post by **oranges** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:27 am #52058

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:31 am #52060

I got already bored of all the shitty drama, remove this policy, questions are not being answered and if I wanted to see paprika insulting everyone I would just go to singulo.io, at least everyone can shitpost there.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:32 am #52067

You still haven't said why you want the policy removed, while people have answered why it is in place several times

Slippery slope fallacies about how this is somehow removing complex roleplay does not constitute an argument against the policy

This is just another soapbox thread for people who have strong opinions about virtually anything to make posts about policies that don't affect them or people they know

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:00 am #52107

oranges wrote:

Help the Australian is shitposting against me please helpe mods I need u ;_;

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:29 am #52123

you're all faggot statists

Alzam · Post by **Alzam** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:41 am #52128

Sum Ting Wong · Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:59 am

That's a good idea

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:20 pm #52182

Yes, they are trying to get this thread locked. No, this is not a good idea. Yet.

peoplearestrange · Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:01 pm

To get this vaugly back on topic...

To add my 2pence to the policy, personally I really don't think it was an issue that needed tackling. The only time personally ever engaged in ERP was after a really long RP of marrying the captain or something. It actually just felt more awkward and tried to RP my way out, only to have our sprites turned invisible.

I guess what I mean is, is it really that common of a situation that feels it needs direct admin intervention? Maybe it has, I don't see the logs and I haven't been on the game a HUGE amount recently.

I guess the real questions to ask are:

Do the admins think its a constant issue?
Does it have more negative effects other than sometimes being awkward?
Do the players really think they'd be loosing a valuable "asset"?
Who are the real "victims" in this policy?
Do people really care enough about ERP to fight it or is it just simply that they feel they are being "oppressed" or it as another needless rule?

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:07 pm #52204

Alright so let us weigh the pros and cons here
Keep ERP because:
It is harmless
It leads to funny admin fuckery
It has no effect on anyone besides those involved and creeping ghosts
Sometimes it ICly makes sense from a roleplay standpoint
Muh freedoms

Keep ERP gone because:
We want to seem like a more mature server
We do not want ERPers who have been run out of other servers to flock here
Occasionally important crewmembers go erp rather than doing their jobs

Not trying to shill for either side, am i missing anything here?

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:07 pm #52205

The only defense of ERP is repeating "but why do you carrreeeeeeeee?"

"It's not hurting anyonnnnnnnnnneeeee"

...and then we point out that yes, it has caused a lot of stupid drama in the past. It does have a palpable negative effect on the game and the community. It's no longer the kind of atmosphere we want to promote. Hell, we never even promoted this as a place to come get your ERP on, we just tolerated it and enough assholes sharing LE EPIC PASTEBINS gave people the idea that it was a core part of our culture.

It's immature, it's kinda gross and off putting. It does nothing good for us. It's gone.

I don't know what we're "trying" here, I think that was on odd choice of words because unless we find out there's some kind of succubus powering this whole operation and without sex logs everything breaks down then this is probably gone for good.

Razharas · Post by **Razharas** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:33 am #52300

The only "offese" against erp is some admins personally not liking it, also saying "we point to the bad sides all the time" but i still cant find any bad sides apart from pure conclusions they made
Erp dont need any "defenses" at all, by default everything that was permitted before needs to be proven bad to be forbidden, not other way around
Banning anything on a whim and then going "what i banned is bad prove me wrong" is a wrong way of doing shit as a recent ban and next a repeal on antag murderbonering has shown
Also erp ban happening riiight after that ban on antag murderbonering happened makes me believe that admins just felt that theres now a green light on pushing your opinions on others by force

tl;dr: this is just admins enacting rules based on their personal preferences because they can, nothing more nothing less

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:40 am #52314

There is also the bit that ERP is roleplaying, even if you don't like it Anon3, it is a form of roleplaying, some are better than others, but it's a way of roleplaying nonetheless, and banning that is a bit dumb...

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:05 am #52320

Just keep repeating "It's not hurting anyone" despite

ERP being the impetus for the barroom metagroup that resulted in numerous permabans
ERP being the impetus for the previous headministration crumbling
ERP being the root cause of metacooperation circlejerks in the first place
ERP being unwanted and disgusting to other players who don't think it's the height of internet comedy

It's hard to say the conversation has come to a conclusion when we were never really having a discourse in the first place? Everytime folks on this side of the argument mention that stuff everyone ignores it or at best says "I wasn't here for that/wasn't involved with it."

Yeah sure we're only banning ERP because I personally don't like it and not because any of the bullshit I've witnessed the server and the people on it go through in some pathetic attempt to get their space wieners dipped in pretend ink.
I'm sorry my personal bias against a totally noble and harmless thing is preventing you from re-enacting your own versions of Fifty Shades of Grey-Tide.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:30 am #52329

Not that removing ERP from the server really needs any justification besides "I don't want that". You can apply the same reasoning for pretty much any rule. No metagaming, no powergaming, etc.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:53 am #52331

ERP probably was the most problematic situation I have had to deal with in Adminbus.

It goes beyond just peopl sexting in a game, it creates this fucked up culture no one wants to deal with. An0n3 isn't exagerating when he says it creates a lot of really high end problems.

Kavaloosh · Post by **Kavaloosh** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:17 am #52355

>implying metagaming isn't the only enjoyable part of the game

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:00 am #52368

Razharas wrote:Erp dont need any "defenses" at all, by default everything that was permitted before needs to be proven bad to be forbidden, not other way around

This is the core of the discussion, and something I've yet to see the admins do. Its just a matter of not personally liking it, should that be a reason to remove it? I think not.

Raven776 · Post by **Raven776** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:03 am #52369

I've been neglecting to throw more of my two cents in here if I have already, but I find the idea that ERP is the center of metacooperation flat wrong. RP is the center of metacooperation. A character knowing another through rounds, forming any sort of relationship romantic or otherwise, will lead to what people seem to consider metacooperation. ERP has been a part of that, but it most certainly wasn't the cause.

No idea what the barroom metagroup is.

No idea how ERP could shatter the headmin administration, but that sounds hilarious and I'm curious now.

But yeah, it's mostly just kind of gross and tacky.

As far as the lack of understanding you're receiving on this policy, I chalk it up to everyone here not being an admin who has all the logs, knows all the drama, and has all of the history. If the things you're saying about it being the cause of drama is true, then it should probably be thrown out the window. It won't be missed when it's gone, and the people who will leave because of it aren't anything all too great on the game anyways. Besides, it's not hard to trade keys and get off over skype or something if you REALLY just find that those spaceladies are hot.

For the love of god, just do that, people... Instead of making this into a ten page thread monster.

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:11 am #52370

Raven776 wrote:I've been neglecting to throw more of my two cents in here if I have already, but I find the idea that ERP is the center of metacooperation flat wrong. RP is the center of metacooperation. A character knowing another through rounds, forming any sort of relationship romantic or otherwise, will lead to what people seem to consider metacooperation. ERP has been a part of that, but it most certainly wasn't the cause.

No idea what the barroom metagroup is.

No idea how ERP could shatter the headmin administration, but that sounds hilarious and I'm curious now.

But yeah, it's mostly just kind of gross and tacky.

As far as the lack of understanding you're receiving on this policy, I chalk it up to everyone here not being an admin who has all the logs, knows all the drama, and has all of the history. If the things you're saying about it being the cause of drama is true, then it should probably be thrown out the window. It won't be missed when it's gone, and the people who will leave because of it aren't anything all too great on the game anyways. Besides, it's not hard to trade keys and get off over skype or something if you REALLY just find that those spaceladies are hot.

For the love of god, just do that, people... Instead of making this into a ten page thread monster.

Because people who don't like a policy but do enjoy the server should just leave for having a different opinion? What kind of shit is that?

Sum Ting Wong · Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:56 am

Raven776 wrote: If the things you're saying about it being the cause of drama is true, then it should probably be thrown out the window.

It used to cause a whole bunch of problems between certain players. Killbaiting tag-teams were a common issue with ERP partners. FNR requests were also made against average players who would interrupt ERP sessions. A few admins were forced to resign over it too but I'm not sure about the details.

edit: I should point out that all of these things happened years ago. All of the stuff I mentioned was sparked by a few specific shitlers, not ERPers on the whole. I don't think ERP is as much of an issue as it used to be.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:07 pm #52374

I think this is the time to very optimistically jump in and remind everyone...

...that this is merely a trial run. Right? Oh, please tell me.

Alex Crimson · Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:37 pm

DemonFiren wrote:I think this is the time to very optimistically jump in and remind everyone...

...that this is merely a trial run. Right? Oh, please tell me.

An0n3 wrote:I don't know what we're "trying" here, I think that was on odd choice of words because unless we find out there's some kind of succubus powering this whole operation and without sex logs everything breaks down then this is probably gone for good.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:41 pm #52392

Well, in this case the only viable solution is to wait until there's no admins on.

Ghosts, take logs.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:52 pm #52414

Phalanx300 wrote:
Razharas wrote:Erp dont need any "defenses" at all, by default everything that was permitted before needs to be proven bad to be forbidden, not other way around
This is the core of the discussion, and something I've yet to see the admins do. Its just a matter of not personally liking it, should that be a reason to remove it? I think not.

Pull your fingers out of your ears or other orifices and read what admins are actually posting. You don't see people posting things because you're selectively choosing not to read it.

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:14 pm #52562

Eh, fuck my previous opinion. On this page Anon convinced me. Even though I don't like it being removed, I agree with all of Anons reasons. Let it go.

OrbisA · Post by **OrbisA** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:41 pm #52565

I only want for the limits of the policy to be explained, in detail, and for aditional Roleplaying elements be introduced in game and things to do when we are not killing each other, combat can be fun and all, but since the administration considers that the player base is not mature enough to handle this, let's step it down, and search for other things to do, particulary, it would be important to intruduce enviroments where only a few people go and remain isolated, in an enviroment they have to trust the other, I feel that the betrayal element is important and we would lose a great deal if it was removed.

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:11 pm #52605

An0n3 wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:
Razharas wrote:Erp dont need any "defenses" at all, by default everything that was permitted before needs to be proven bad to be forbidden, not other way around
This is the core of the discussion, and something I've yet to see the admins do. Its just a matter of not personally liking it, should that be a reason to remove it? I think not.

Pull your fingers out of your ears or other orifices and read what admins are actually posting. You don't see people posting things because you're selectively choosing not to read it.

You've yet to proove anything. Saying meta is caused by ERP is a shitty excuse and you know it.

Screemonster · Post by **Screemonster** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:57 pm #52618

YOU GOTTA FIGHT

FOR YOUR RIGHT

TO EEEEERP

In all honesty, this is probably gonna make rapey shit easier to enforce 'cause at least those responsible won't be able to duck behind "I thought they were into it" when the person on the receiving end doesn't instantly ahelp, robust the shit out of them, or whatever.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:39 pm #52645

As a faggot who joined at the crux of server 2 metagangs, erp was almost soley responsible for the attitude on there between people helping their metafriends out and shit. Not saying that all the cliques erp'd, but one of the reasons server 2 was populated in the first place is because it had a pretty strong following of regulars who erp'd. They also REGULAR roleplayed more than most players, which is nice, but their attitude towards their buttbuddy being attacked by swarming the person who attacked them whether they were in the wrong or not was absolute cancer.

Sum Ting Wong · Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:51 am

Phalanx300 wrote: Saying meta is caused by ERP is a shitty excuse and you know it.

The worst metabuddies were almost always ERPers. Dante and Dalta smith for example.

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:03 am #52714

Meta caused by ERP leads to a bit of a slippery slope of rp causing meta. Metafriendship is caused by RP regardless of it is ERP or regular RP. From my experience the ban will cause more drama, then ERP itself has from my experience. It was a bit of a shitty change

>ERP being the impetus for the barroom metagroup that resulted in numerous permabans

Any RP will cause this. The fact that ERP was the most roleplaying sybil and basil had is the reason for association with barroom metagame. And what the fuck is the point of banning ERP if we can ban people actually metafriending. Like fuck most of my bans for metafriendship arent even caused by an ERP backround.

>ERP being the impetus for the previous headministration crumbling

Lolwhat

>ERP being the root cause of metacooperation circlejerks in the first place

Yeah the RP part of it.

>ERP being unwanted and disgusting to other players who don't think it's the height of internet comedy

There is erp that crosses the line but fuck this is another bullshit reason that I have yet to see being an issue.

Meh.

Snake2512 · Post by **Snake2512** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:04 am #52724

I got rid of ERP before it was cool, step it up /tg/

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:52 pm #52760

paprika wrote:As a faggot who joined at the crux of server 2 metagangs, erp was almost soley responsible for the attitude on there between people helping their metafriends out and shit. Not saying that all the cliques erp'd, but one of the reasons server 2 was populated in the first place is because it had a pretty strong following of regulars who erp'd. They also REGULAR roleplayed more than most players, which is nice, but their attitude towards their buttbuddy being attacked by swarming the person who attacked them whether they were in the wrong or not was absolute cancer.

People who metacommunicate using ERP does not make ERP the cause of metacommunication. Why is this even a argument?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:14 am #52863

It's not only metacommunication, it's literal 'back off from my space waifu' tier stupidity where you can be a traitor and have everyone lynch your target because you said he attacked you and had an esword, or you are spacing his corpse and they think nothing of it because you said he attacked you. You could get anyone to believe anything just on the basis that they didn't want to break the ~IC TRUST~ between you and your fucking buttbuddy that you /me to death in the dorms.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:36 am #52893

Happens with regular RP buddies all the same. Exactly. The. Same.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:47 am #52895

No it doesn't? If anything ERP exacerbated what already existed, so removing it was a good idea. Yes, it will always exist with RP buddies protecting each other, but ERP buddies were another breed of fucking retarded. See: durkel/fuzzle

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:17 am #52900

Wait until, then.

Snake2512 · Post by **Snake2512** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:59 am #52910

paprika wrote:No it doesn't? If anything ERP exacerbated what already existed, so removing it was a good idea. Yes, it will always exist with RP buddies protecting each other, but ERP buddies were another breed of fucking retarded. See: durkel/fuzzle

Uh listen cunt, if you don't bash the first poofter that messes with your mates you are a fuckin' dog cunt and unaustralian.

Never dog your mates.

Maccus · Post by **Maccus** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:47 am #52921

paprika wrote:No it doesn't? If anything ERP exacerbated what already existed, so removing it was a good idea. Yes, it will always exist with RP buddies protecting each other, but ERP buddies were another breed of fucking retarded. See: durkel/fuzzle

No, idiot, ERP is what people do so they're horny enough to exacerbate. Go to sex ed, retard.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:03 am #52938

Snake2512 wrote:
paprika wrote:No it doesn't? If anything ERP exacerbated what already existed, so removing it was a good idea. Yes, it will always exist with RP buddies protecting each other, but ERP buddies were another breed of fucking retarded. See: durkel/fuzzle
Uh listen cunt, if you don't bash the first poofter that messes with your mates you are a fuckin' dog cunt and unaustralian.

Never dog your mates.

Jesus christ what

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:09 am #52949

Maccus wrote:
paprika wrote:No it doesn't? If anything ERP exacerbated what already existed, so removing it was a good idea. Yes, it will always exist with RP buddies protecting each other, but ERP buddies were another breed of fucking retarded. See: durkel/fuzzle
No, idiot, ERP is what people do so they're horny enough to exacerbate. Go to sex ed, retard.

that's exasperating you knobhead