Minor Feedback

Yakumo_Chen · Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:41 am

Bottom post of the previous page:

It's a metagame exploit, not balance.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:12 am #308148

Anonmare wrote:I dislike the wire cutting to reset cyborgs. Roboticists are now de-syncing cyborgs from AIs and "forgetting" to re-sync them. Oh and by the way borg, is the AI a traitor?

Just go back to using module reset boards already if you dislike pulsing so much.

But this was already possible?

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:58 am #308154

oranges wrote:
Anonmare wrote:I dislike the wire cutting to reset cyborgs. Roboticists are now de-syncing cyborgs from AIs and "forgetting" to re-sync them. Oh and by the way borg, is the AI a traitor?

Just go back to using module reset boards already if you dislike pulsing so much.
But this was already possible?

But now there's plausible deniability. The only way to reset a borg is by cutting the wire and there's no feedback from pulsing the reset wire. A roboticist can cut the AI sync wire and easily be able to say they forgot to re-sync them because there's no way to prove that they didn't on purpose. With pulse resets, there was definitive intent

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:01 am #308156

>Borg players made their bed but don't wanna lay on it.

Smh

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:02 am #308157

D&B wrote:>Borg players made their bed but don't wanna lay on it.

Smh

What did he mean by this?

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:26 pm #313932

There is feedback your just dumb to notice it

AnonymousNow · Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:01 am

Can we get clearer action lists for all playable lifeforms, please? Maybe some HUD elements? Because figuring out how to do what as a Morph and how I was effected by various attacks was a bit of a pain.

EDIT: Also, when are we getting the Healing Hands mutation? I have been waiting for it for SIX YEARS.

tacolizard · Post by **tacolizard** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:49 am #324752

AnonymousNow wrote:Can we get clearer action lists for all playable lifeforms, please? Maybe some HUD elements? Because figuring out how to do what as a Morph and how I was effected by various attacks was a bit of a pain.

will probably never happen due to simple mobs all using different code that would require big snowflakey overhauls to each and every one to achieve this.

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:59 am #329449

Engineering borgs really don't need stun arms

AnonymousNow · Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:29 pm

I recently learned that hivelord core implantation no longer acts as passive healing.

I'm having difficulty finding words for this change, other than "retarded".

Gun Hog · Post by **Gun Hog** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:30 am #332210

AnonymousNow wrote:I recently learned that hivelord core implantation no longer acts as passive healing.

I'm having difficulty finding words for this change, other than "retarded".

The implant is not really worth it, but the instant heal from picking it up is priceless.

Post by **Arianya** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:28 am #332427

If I recall the reason for removing the hivelord passive regen was because a maintainer (oranges?) didn't like invisible healing.

It should probably be brought back and just use the little + popups that other regen uses now.

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:17 pm #332438

On the other hand, regen is pretty damn valuable considering it comes from the easiest mob in lavaland

Post by **Arianya** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:31 pm #332451

XDTM wrote:On the other hand, regen is pretty damn valuable considering it comes from the easiest mob in lavaland

Eh, it requires you to take the item back to station, either very quickly or buy a core stabiliser, and then find someone with the time and knowledge that you can trust to do surgery on you.

AnonymousNow · Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:12 pm

Arianya wrote:
XDTM wrote:On the other hand, regen is pretty damn valuable considering it comes from the easiest mob in lavaland
Eh, it requires you to take the item back to station, either very quickly or buy a core stabiliser, and then find someone with the time and knowledge that you can trust to do surgery on you.

And frankly, if you go through the trouble of doing all that, you deserve that healing.

Gun Hog · Post by **Gun Hog** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:18 pm #332469

Arianya wrote:
XDTM wrote:On the other hand, regen is pretty damn valuable considering it comes from the easiest mob in lavaland
Eh, it requires you to take the item back to station, either very quickly or buy a core stabiliser, and then find someone with the time and knowledge that you can trust to do surgery on you.

And do not forget that it can feel pretty thankless for your surgeon if he works on several people and has no one to do implants for him...

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:17 pm #332533

last time i had a IT'S A HIVELORD GODDAMMIT core implanted into me i was force-fed it instead of it being implanted because it hadn't expired yet

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:33 pm #332657

When they worked for regen, there was no expiration limit for implanting, only for eating them. Surgery does offset a lot of item power, but looking at cyberimplants they require surgery AND high research levels/minerals, for generally less power than constant regen and the emp downside.

AnonymousNow · Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:59 pm

XDTM wrote:When they worked for regen, there was no expiration limit for implanting, only for eating them. Surgery does offset a lot of item power, but looking at cyberimplants they require surgery AND high research levels/minerals, for generally less power than constant regen and the emp downside.

IIRC they had tiered regen depending on the condition of the hivelord core. Fresh was best, then stable, then inert. Or that may've just been rumours, since we tended to only implant fresh cores.

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:45 pm #332701

AnonymousNow wrote:
XDTM wrote:When they worked for regen, there was no expiration limit for implanting, only for eating them. Surgery does offset a lot of item power, but looking at cyberimplants they require surgery AND high research levels/minerals, for generally less power than constant regen and the emp downside.
IIRC they had tiered regen depending on the condition of the hivelord core. Fresh was best, then stable, then inert. Or that may've just been rumours, since we tended to only implant fresh cores.

I remember fresh and stable spawned two blood lings, inert only one.

Post by **Cobby** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:19 pm #332744

Eat cactus instead now

AnonymousNow · Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:29 am

I feel as though stands taking friendly fire damage from their summoners and visa versa is an odd thing that should be looked into.

Also, blobs are almost certainly underpowered right now. With all the warning the crew gets, a blob can have a very strong start and be completely incapable of holding back the enormous greytide with welders and welderbombs, even with a partner onboard. Why did we add the warning again?

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:18 am #333672

AnonymousNow wrote:I feel as though stands taking friendly fire damage from their summoners and visa versa is an odd thing that should be looked into.

It's canon

Post by **Arianya** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:27 am #335984

I think the language system would be improved by non-speakers of a language not seeing the symbol when they hear someone talk a language. Speakers of the language do see a symbol.

Cultlanguage and codespeak and the like are pretty niche as is because its a big red flag of "Lynch he" unless its the curator, and it gives the curator a niche to help him find them valids if this is changed.

Also codespeak should output random sentences heard a la Poly for non-speakers (shamelessly stolen from Discord)

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:07 pm #336004

I accidentally harmed a few shadowpeople as a drone because the vision filter didn't let me know they were shadowpeople. Do we really need the filter?

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:20 pm #336012

Lazengann wrote:I accidentally harmed a few shadowpeople as a drone because the vision filter didn't let me know they were shadowpeople. Do we really need the filter?

Emergent

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:44 am #346936

/vg/ is adding potions for wizard, which that feature alone makes them 100x better than us. We don't want that do we? Code monkies chop chop

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:58 pm #355729

EMPs being able to toggle cyborg lockdown wires is extremely annoying

Zarniwoop · Post by **Zarniwoop** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:39 am #356675

I consumed a bunch of growth serum and used horror form, but it was normal sized. Can we fix this?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:50 am #397453

Cable layers really suck.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:55 am #397457

fuck you, cable layers are great

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:34 pm #397515

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DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:09 pm #397558

git gid?

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:28 am #400975

DemonFiren wrote:fuck you, cable layers are great

they dont actually work right now. they just lay a bunch of unconnected node wires instead of one long un-noded wire.

SpaceManiac · Post by **SpaceManiac** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:35 am #400977

Dr_bee wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:fuck you, cable layers are great
they dont actually work right now. they just lay a bunch of unconnected node wires instead of one long un-noded wire.

They work fine as far as I can tell.

Anuv · Post by **Anuv** » Wed May 02, 2018 12:41 pm #406197

Dragnet takes 30 seconds to remove as I learned as a nukie last night. Is that intended?

Dr_bee · Post by **Dr_bee** » Wed May 02, 2018 6:27 pm #406279

Anuv wrote:Dragnet takes 30 seconds to remove as I learned as a nukie last night. Is that intended?

Bear traps take the same amount of time and the DRAGnet basically uses non-harmful bear traps. so I Imagine yes. Bear traps are harder to use than bolas so it makes some sense.

Yakumo_Chen · Post by **Yakumo_Chen** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:24 am #414451

Jesus fuck SAWS are powerful, I got crit in one hit from them, wearing bulletproof armor

MercuryArrow · Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:44 pm

So is the ungodly mess of unbalancedness that is the possessed chainsword *ever* getting fixed? Having one null rod that's clearly superior in nearly all ways to every other option, is available from roundstart, outdamages the two-handed fire axe by an order of magnitude and still has special features(functions normally as a null rod, is ghost-possession friendly) is kind of ridiculous and I'm amazed it's been allowed to remain like that for months on end, especially after the recent tweaks to chaplain's loadout. It'd be one thing if there was some RNG or some work involved in null rod selection, at least then having an extra-good option would make sense as a goal to work toward or to hope for.

For the love of the Honkmother, if you're going to make an uber-offensive null rod, you could at least swap the force with the chainsword that DOESN'T also give you a spirit buddy or remove some of the functionality. At present, there's really no reason to pick anything else beyond RP reasons - and while the chaplain is ultimately an RP/fun role, it's a role with important responsibilities in certain roundtypes. I'd rather not get chewed out by salty players for taking a gimmick artifact and having it turn out to be cult when there was clearly a 'best' option.

Post by **oranges** » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:46 pm #415460

when you code it

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:48 pm #415462

Give me a number and I'll alter the force damage

MercuryArrow · Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:02 am

Anonmare wrote:Give me a number and I'll alter the force damage

I dunno, the standard 18-20 range seems fine if it's going to keep its current effects - still keeps it on the high end for null rod variants without being the best weapon on the station. Lower would be too drastic a change since it can't block, higher and it's too competitive with two-handers like the crafted fullsize chainsaw and fire axe.

oranges wrote:when you code it

This is a meme response for major changes and it's still a meme response for fixing simple and glaring balance issues.

somerandomguy · Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:57 am

MercuryArrow wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Give me a number and I'll alter the force damage
I dunno, the standard 18-20 range seems fine if it's going to keep its current effects - still keeps it on the high end for null rod variants without being the best weapon on the station. Lower would be too drastic a change since it can't block, higher and it's too competitive with two-handers like the crafted fullsize chainsaw and fire axe.

oranges wrote:when you code it
This is a meme response for major changes and it's still a meme response for fixing simple and glaring balance issues.

It's a "meme response" because it's true. If you care about your proposed change and the maintainers will think it's a good idea, code it and it'll probably get merged. Chances are, no one else cares about it enough to do anything, especially with something as small as a null rod variant being a bit op.

Anuv · Post by **Anuv** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:25 am #416868

Not sure if it deserves a thread but the new Experimenter merge is giving people cloned traitor PDAs (someone spent +180 TC) and all manner of traitor loot, including ops gear (shielded hardsuits). I just died to an ebow on a rev round.

somerandomguy · Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:43 pm

Anuv wrote:Not sure if it deserves a thread but the new Experimenter merge is giving people cloned traitor PDAs (someone spent +180 TC) and all manner of traitor loot, including ops gear (shielded hardsuits). I just died to an ebow on a rev round.

The stupidly op ones were disabled, it should fix when the server updates

MercuryArrow · Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:10 pm

somerandomguy wrote:
MercuryArrow wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Give me a number and I'll alter the force damage
I dunno, the standard 18-20 range seems fine if it's going to keep its current effects - still keeps it on the high end for null rod variants without being the best weapon on the station. Lower would be too drastic a change since it can't block, higher and it's too competitive with two-handers like the crafted fullsize chainsaw and fire axe.

oranges wrote:when you code it
This is a meme response for major changes and it's still a meme response for fixing simple and glaring balance issues.
It's a "meme response" because it's true. If you care about your proposed change and the maintainers will think it's a good idea, code it and it'll probably get merged. Chances are, no one else cares about it enough to do anything, especially with something as small as a null rod variant being a bit op.

No, it's a meme response because expecting random players with no direct connection to the project to do the jobs of people who actively volunteered would be completely ridiculous if done by any other kind of admin or contributor, yet coders and maintainers get away with it constantly - pushing the responsibility onto people with no knowledge of github with a snarky response is just an easy way of getting out of having to actually do anything. Even if it *were* reasonable, it's a recipe for balance issues, power creep and bloated features in the long run.
I'll start accepting it as a valid response when adminhelps start getting answered with "when you ban him".

In other minor bullshit not worth a thread - quirks screen still using a mix of both 'quirk' and 'trait' for terminology. Not sure if that's intended or just a minor oversight, but it's also worth mentioning while I'm at it here.

somerandomguy · Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:14 pm

MercuryArrow wrote:
somerandomguy wrote:
MercuryArrow wrote:
Anonmare wrote:Give me a number and I'll alter the force damage
I dunno, the standard 18-20 range seems fine if it's going to keep its current effects - still keeps it on the high end for null rod variants without being the best weapon on the station. Lower would be too drastic a change since it can't block, higher and it's too competitive with two-handers like the crafted fullsize chainsaw and fire axe.

oranges wrote:when you code it
This is a meme response for major changes and it's still a meme response for fixing simple and glaring balance issues.
It's a "meme response" because it's true. If you care about your proposed change and the maintainers will think it's a good idea, code it and it'll probably get merged. Chances are, no one else cares about it enough to do anything, especially with something as small as a null rod variant being a bit op.
No, it's a meme response because expecting random players with no direct connection to the project to do the jobs of people who actively volunteered would be completely ridiculous if done by any other kind of admin or contributor, yet coders and maintainers get away with it constantly - pushing the responsibility onto people with no knowledge of github with a snarky response is just an easy way of getting out of having to actually do anything. Even if it *were* reasonable, it's a recipe for balance issues, power creep and bloated features in the long run.
I'll start accepting it as a valid response when adminhelps starting get answered with "when you ban him".

In other minor bullshit not worth a thread - quirks screen still using a mix of both 'quirk' and 'trait' for terminology. Not sure if that's intended or just a minor oversight, but it's also worth mentioning while I'm at it here.

>implying you need to be a maintainer to code like you need to be an admin to do admin things

MercuryArrow · Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:20 pm

Course not, but if you can't see the absurdity of that as a universal response, especially in places like the minor feedback thread specifically intended for pointing this kind of thing out.... well...
At least I can chop down doors.

somerandomguy · Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:22 pm

MercuryArrow wrote:Course not, but if you can't see the absurdity of that as a universal response, especially in places like the minor feedback thread specifically intended for pointing this kind of thing out.... well...
At least I can chop down doors.

It would be different if, say, someone had just finished coding null rods and wanted balance feedback

Anuv · Post by **Anuv** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:29 pm #420077

AI on Lavaland cannot have laws changed, yet can control station safely. Cannot be hacked for law changes even with a hacked module. Intended?

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:59 pm #420080

You need to be on the same z-level to alter an AI's laws.

It's supposed to stop you from having an off-z-level AI Upload. Same with the comms console