[Kevinzer0] RicardoFort (not so)Ban Appeal.

[RicardoFort]

Byond account and character name: RicardoFort - Akoro Malo
Banning admin: Kevin
Ban type (What are you banned from?): playing
Ban reason and length: Reason:

Blew up chemistry, directly killing a chemist and semi-directly leading to a security officer's death. Hid both of their bodies to prevent cloning. This is all because Surfs-The-Tide got access from the HoP without CMO permission to go into chemistry and the chemist wanted the officer to throw Surfs out, at which point you jump into the conflict as an assistant promoted to ""bodyguard"" unnecessarily and then using TK to pota-water bomb. Stay out of conflicts you're not in unless you want the risk of getting banned for killing innocents, as the chemist didn't do anything wrong here. The sec officer shouldn't be permanently removed from the round because you broke their prisoners out.

24Hs
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 02:53 -3TZ
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil):Bagil
Your side of the story: What did you mean by "you broke their prisoners out" This never took place, and I also want a full log of my discussion with kevin.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I dont I just wanna see why he said that

[kevinz000]

1. Please spell my ckey correctly. The template is there for a reason
2. One second.

[RicardoFort]

Have you seen the image of jmad with the goose or not?

[kevinz000]

No, and I don't care about that image.

So the correct term would be "broke their prisoner away" from what I heard and what the logs /appeared/ to prove earlier.
Did you pull Surfs away from security?

[RicardoFort]

No, not at all.

[kevinz000]

[16:18:03]ATTACK: Lives-In-Maintenance(equinox78) stripped Surfs-The-Tide(timeisendless) with of the handcuffs (NEWHP: 100) (101,162,2)
[16:18:21]ATTACK: Lives-In-Maintenance(equinox78) grabbed Surfs-The-Tide(timeisendless) with passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (101,162,2)
[16:18:27]ATTACK: Surfs-The-Tide(timeisendless) pulled from Lives-In-Maintenance(equinox78) with Akoro Malo (NEWHP: 100) (109,160,2)
[16:18:27]ATTACK: Akoro Malo(ricardofort) grabbed Surfs-The-Tide(timeisendless) with passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (109,159,2)

[16:18:05]SAY: Akoro Malo/RicardoFort : Hey (102,160,2)
[16:18:13]SAY: Akoro Malo/RicardoFort : Dont treat him like a prisoner (102,160,2)
[16:18:21]SAY: Akoro Malo/RicardoFort : He didnt actualy commit any crimes (102,160,2)
[16:18:47]SAY: Akoro Malo/RicardoFort : You (102,102,2)

[16:18:01]SAY: Surfs-The-Tide/Timeisendless : the HoP gave me acess (101,162,2)
[16:18:26]SAY: Surfs-The-Tide/Timeisendless : thank you (109,159,2)
[16:19:08]SAY: Surfs-The-Tide/Timeisendless : he really doesnt have to (101,100,2)

Huh, my bad. Appears they were being let out, I was looking at the wrong coords earlier. The clause about breaking out/away will be removed.

[17:37:12]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Timeisendless/(Timeisendless)->Kevinz000/(Kevinz000): ok. i got acess to chem from the HoP to make some ephedrine. Jerry didnt like that and got Lives-In-Maintenance to arrest me. Akoro Malo didnt like that and set me free and then stuffed Jerry down a Disposals chute. I Akoro and me then got arrested again but i was set free because i didnt do anything. i got my ephedrine and went on my way. later akoro said he would get his revenge. he then told me that he blew up chemistry using telekinesis resulting in the death of both.
along with the officer saying you dragged Surfs away.




And here is our conversation:


[17:01:50]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Got a moment?
[17:01:57]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): For you, always.
[17:02:10]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): What happened to Lives-In-Maintainence, and Jerry Demz?
[17:02:59]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): They gave me a total of 15 minutes of birg for "trasspasing" , I had access to both areas. garanted by the HoP, they didnt even check.
[17:03:17]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): They did the same to Surf-The-Tides.
[17:03:43]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): And then?
[17:04:51]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;admin_token=71847210894107308935944127272910135;ahelp=[0x21075433];ahelp_action=ticket'>#11</A> closed by <a href='?priv_msg=ricardofort'>RicardoFort</a>/(Akoro Malo).
[17:04:51]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #14: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): My connection died, did kevin reply anything else? - heard by 3 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[17:05:19]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Ok, and then what happened after they gave you 15 minutes?
[17:06:27]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): I was stripped of my things and pride, I went to genetics and got TK, blew up chemestry with potassium water and both of them died there
[17:06:47]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): So they took all your gear which includes everything or just some things?
[17:07:24]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): Evrything but my uniform, shoes and PDA. I had to convince the warden to get some back.
[17:08:03]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Ok, where did Jerry Demz come into this?
[17:08:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): He was the chemist that reported the trasspassing and mocked me while I was in jail, he also shitted Surf the waves.
[17:09:21]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): 1. what did "shitted" entail here and 2. did you kill them or directly and intentionally cause their death and 3. if so, why?
[17:11:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): Have you seen the picture of Jmad with the goose? well imagine if the goose was chemestry and jmad was the chemesit, he was holding on to it in a selfish way.
[17:11:43]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): he kicked surf's and got him arrested for getting into chemestr, he had access and didnt bother anyone on his way.
[17:11:48]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): No I haven't, and so far I'm not finding much reason why you should be killing the chemist for wanting you out and mocking you, so you should probably explain how he "shat" surf the waves.
[17:12:07]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Ok so that chemist got you two kicked out
[17:12:14]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): How is that valid for killing ?
[17:12:54]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): 2- Yes, I wanted him to get injured actualy but when they both died it was just too good to help them come back to life.
[17:13:48]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): Both of them together had me half the round imprisoned and stripped from my things, I wanted to do the same to them.
[17:14:02]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): The chemist wanted you two thrown out of their department.
[17:14:22]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): You're both assistants. It isn't your department. They're not in the wrong for trying to get you out, even if the HoP gave you access.
[17:14:28]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Did you blow up chemistry?
[17:14:57]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): How come, Isnt the HoP the one who manages who does what?
[17:15:38]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): as I stated before, I made a small explosion to knock him out, however it breached the hull somehow.
[17:15:43]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): The HoP is allowed to give access yes, but if people in the department want you to get out and try to get you thrown out it does not make them valid for killing.
[17:16:02]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Yes, however you're still the one who blew up chemlab after doing about 40 points of damage to them putting them in near crit.
[17:16:14]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): They
[17:16:56]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): Yes, I was very much happy they died. Are you sure you haven seen the jmad picture?
[17:17:17]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): I don't give a single care about jmad's pictures right now. This is about you, and what you did when you got thrown out of the chem lab.
[17:17:34]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Now, the security officer says they brigged you for 30 seconds, and then 3 minutes, and then 5 minutes. Are you sure you got brigged for 15 minutes?
[17:17:47]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): I was trying to make a point about the picture, tho jmad is a cool guy I'll admit that
[17:17:57]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Please answer the question.
[17:18:43]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): They brigged me for 10, then I begged and they took 3 minutes off, then briged again for five minutes and imprisoned for five more since he kept flashing my for no reason.
[17:18:59]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->Equinox78/(Lives-In-Maintenance): 17:18:43: Reply PM from-RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): They brigged me for 10,(?|F) then I begged and they took 3(?|F) minutes off, then briged again for five minutes and imprisoned for five more since he kept flashing my for no reason.
[17:20:08]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Did the officer in question do it or someone else?
[17:20:25]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Both of you are giving me conflicting answers and I don't want to check logs to see which one is lying.
[17:20:50]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): Mocked me several times, he didnt have evidence for his claims when he arrested me. being a shitty guy in genral also check discord.
[17:21:39]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): I am not going to check discord over an ingame issue I am handling right now.
[17:21:54]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Who set your timer? The officer or someone else? Because they said they didn't give you a total of 15 minutes.
[17:22:19]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): it was 10 the first time and 5 the second
[17:22:33]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Did the officer set it or someone else?
[17:22:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): I belive the officer did, there was noone else around I belive
[17:23:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Alright, give me a bit to check logs.
[17:23:20]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): I have to switch to the other computer real quick, let me know.
[17:27:09]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;admin_token=71847210894107308935944127272910135;ahelp=[0x21071d87];ahelp_action=ticket'>#14</A> closed by <a href='?priv_msg=ricardofort'>RicardoFort</a>/(Akoro Malo).
[17:27:09]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #21: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Ok i'm back, here is the image I was talking about https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png - heard by 2 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[17:27:49]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): I fail to see how that is justifying anything.
[17:28:09]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): I spent half of the round getting dicked around by these two guys
[17:28:22]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Ok: First,
[17:28:30]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): The chemist wanted to out of their department, along with surfs to get out too.
[17:28:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): I'm not going to hold them responsible when you're the one barging in with access from the HoP (I'm presuming?) and no authorization from the CMO (I'm presuming, correct me if I'm wrong).
[17:29:15]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): The security officer did their job. I'm still parsing logs for where he set it to 10 minutes but I'm not seeing it.
[17:29:36]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): While the security officer is wrong to assume that you stole your access without even checking with the HoP, this does not excuse you to blow up chemistry to kill them both.
[17:29:54]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): You have a history of greytiding and overescalation that I'd suggest discontinuing.
[17:30:02]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Chemistry is not yours.
[17:30:24]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Also, please answer questions when asked in ahelps, I'm not interesting discord pictures/off topic comments.
[17:30:29]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): First of all, I didnt want chemestry nor had access to it, I was assiting surf who had the approval of both the CMO oand HoP.
[17:31:58]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #1: RicardoFort/(RicardoFort): second, the officer died on his own trying to rescue the chemist, I had nothing to do with that, all I did was moving his body to the morgue so he would not be cloned. - heard by 3 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[17:32:34]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(RicardoFort): You blew up chemistry killing someone who didn't do anything but try to get you thrown out of their department along with Surfs
[17:32:44]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(RicardoFort): And when security tries to save him you hide their body.
[17:33:02]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(RicardoFort): I'm not finding you in the right by alot here, and if it turns out the officer didn't give you 10 minutes it's going to be "not even in the least".
[17:33:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(RicardoFort): Anyways, you said you were assisting surfs, and how were you doing that?
[17:33:51]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(RicardoFort)->Kevinz000/(Kevinz000): he was kicked out for no reason of chemestry, I was merly his bodyguard, wich it was the job I applied for in the first place.
[17:34:08]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(RicardoFort): You were another assistant's bodyguard?
[17:34:54]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Kevinz000): Anyone who needed me bodyguard, at least that was the plan until I got birged twice.
[17:35:10]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Kevinz000): The warden can back me up.
[17:36:52]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Are you absolutely sure Surfs had permission from the CMO?
[17:37:56]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Kevinz000): Sorry my internet is dying, big storm here. At least thats what he told us.
[17:38:53]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): this is honestly looking like a case of you getting promoted to bodyguard and using that as an excuse to help another assistant who DID NOT HAVE THE CMO'S PERMISSION (I just asked both them, and the CMO, and I'd like to know how you got the idea that they did.)
[17:39:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Kevinz000)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): to fight off security and a chemist when they got into chemistry which the CMO did not authorize and the chemist had no idea about.
[17:39:27]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Kevinz000): he litteraly said he had the CMO permission, look it up.
[17:41:42]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): So you got lied to .. Did you bother verifying this with the CMO?
[17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): No, but he was legit about the HoP and I was sure about that.
[17:43:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Right are you aware of a note from about August where you were told to tone down your powergaming and overescalation?
[17:43:33]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): Its hidden I belive, let me screenshot my notes.
[17:43:43]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Oh yeah, it is.
[17:43:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Anyways, you need to tone down your escalation and greytiding.
[17:44:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): The chemist did nothing wrong. You jumped into a fight that wasn't your fight for no reason as a ""bodyguard"", and blew up chemistry.
[17:44:37]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): You directly got one person killed for not wanting Surfs in because they had no permission from the department head so it's not unreasonable for chemistry to call security.
[17:44:39]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): You are right, but im quite pissed off of losing half a round just cause some cop wants to play L.A ligger noir
[17:44:44]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): And then the sec guy died too from it.
[17:45:16]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Yes, but the problem is you killing one person and getting another person killed and then hiding their bodies simply because you wanted to jump into someone elses conflict.
[17:45:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo)->Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman): Well at the begging I wanted the chemist to apologize to the lizard, then he refused and everything escalated
[17:46:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): Right, we're basically done here. This isn't the chemist's fault. They just wanted someone they thought didn't have permission to be in chemistry kicked out, and you interfered for no reason and blew up the chemist instead.
[17:47:09]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman)->RicardoFort/(Akoro Malo): The chemist is not required to apologize because an assistant bodyguard ordered them to.
[17:48:48]ADMINPRIVATE: Kevinz000/(Skylar Lineman) has banned ricardofort.

[kevinz000]

Note: I did not put into consideration the exact timer time and I assumed that you told the truth, because honestly I'm not going to try to spend 30 minutes delaying the round to decipher the href logs by going to each referenced interaction with a cell timer, and that's assuming that the href logs store the reference of the machine being interacted with.

[RicardoFort]

Thanks for the log, have you seen the image at this point?

[Armhulen]

No, and I don't care about that image.

you got your answer on why he said that, it sounds like he's gonna fix it but you can bother him on dms if you really wanna show him your cool ass goose image