[POLL]Headminstration 2.5:How should player votes be taken?

QuartzCrystal · Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:45 pm

Alright guys, as per the other thread, it seems everyone has come to a consensus that the playerbase, the admins, and the coders will all come to a consensus on who they want to elect to the headmin triumvirate. It seems to be agreed upon that the admins and coders will figure out who their choice will be on their own, but we need to figure out how the players will choose.

The options are an ingame poll, a poll here on the forums, or a poll elsewhere. There are pros and cons to all these options (I wont get into them here) but this is basically the only thing we haven't unanimously agreed upon essentially. Let's also just assume that all polls will provide links to each individual candidate's nomination thread/post. Let's also all agree that if the poll is held not in game, the poll would be left open for a solid amount of time and be linked to in the server's MOTD and the admins will pester people to vote regularly through announcements.

Also, let's just all agree that those voting in the poll and discussing in the other thread should be left up to this decision. Let's not go down the rabbit hole of asking "What's really democratic?" and claiming we should be also having this poll ingame.

elyina · Post by **elyina** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:49 pm #35592

In game poll is just as easily abused as a forum poll. There will absolutely be people like braindude firing up VMs and proxies to influence it as much as they can.

QuartzCrystal · Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:51 pm

I'm personally going to refrain from voting for a bit, although I am leaning towards a forum/elsewhere poll as it does risk people just voting for whoever to make the prompt go away instead of actually thinking about it.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:07 pm #35594

Let's just do an in game poll without the ability to see the results until the poll is over. Less shitstorm that way.

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:16 pm #35598

I think there is a way of filtering votes by acccount age.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:19 pm #35603

host it on a site and link it in game and on the forums so that everyone can see it and people who dont want to vote dont have to do so to get rid of the annoying poll notification, so "i dont care" votes arent a thing (other than abstaining)

Antimattercarp · Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:54 pm

Let's do a two stager, we take the top 3 or five from an ingame poll and then we thunderdome the finalist on the forums were people will actually input stuff.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:16 pm #35619

Do it by "comment forum poll" kind of like the first time. You must comment with reasons, new forum accounts and accounts with proxies/IPs will not be counted.

QuartzCrystal · Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:20 pm

NikNakFlak wrote:Do it by "comment forum poll" kind of like the first time. You must comment with reasons, new forum accounts and accounts with proxies/IPs will not be counted.

What if someone only wants to register just so they can vote but they're a regular player in game?

callanrockslol · Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:57 am

Only count people that have had byond accounts active on the server for more than 1 month, that way you could mitigate multikey votes and then knock out people that do multiple votes from one connection for multikeying at the same time.

mrpain · Post by **mrpain** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:51 am #35864

So are we actually doing this or is this just going to be another case of us talking about it for a month and forgetting about it?

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:26 pm #35918

It's all on SOS.

We can't start anything without his official approval.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:17 pm

Ikarrus wrote:It's all on SOS.

We can't start anything without his official approval.

He posted in the other thread and asked how we would conduct the playerbase poll, it's clear he'll just go along with whatever we all decide (aside from him not wanting a headmin decision and giving it to the coders of course).

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:10 pm #35955

The elections should be conducted by mail, with people who care sending in their votes to Scaredy's address.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:18 pm #35956

Just don't forget to include "abstain" and "none of those guys" options.

QuartzCrystal · Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:05 am

OK so here's the next question (other thread is dying) is who wants to volunteer to run this thing? Perhaps one of the site admins?

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:02 am #36021

Correction, all votes should be mailed to me, as Russians are known around the world as masters of freedom, lack of corruption and democracy.

but in all seriousness, ingame poll would probably be the best we can do.

Arete · Post by **Arete** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:46 am #36055

I think that more important than determining where to take the vote is determining what method to use for taking the vote. If we use a traditional first-past-the-post system, I could see us ending up with a single-issue two party split along the lines of pro- and anti-greytide, which would be awful all around.

Instead, I'd recommend performing an instant runoff election.

tl;dr Rank candidates from best to worst, the system counts the votes and removes the candidate with the fewest 'best' votes and goes to the next on the list for everyone who had selected that candidate as 'best', repeat until one candidate has a majority. It's a small increase in complexity for a large increase in responsiveness to the wishes of the playerbase.

peoplearestrange · Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:18 pm

I'd say an in-game poll AND a forum poll. A mean of the two results should then be made.

Basicly it has to reflect that game players aren't always forum visitors, but also some game players ignore the in-game polls (as they "just want to start playing") and are more likely to respond on the forums.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:19 pm #36305

Running both might be interesting just to see if there's a major difference between them.

damiac · Post by **damiac** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:02 pm #36319

Screw it, just give Anon all 3 headmin positions, and unlimited deadminning power, as well as complete control over the message boards. It literally cannot get any worse than how it's going right now.

EDIT: Oh come on HBL, that was the perfect opportunity to say 'U mad bro?" I guess you're pretty ok though, you can be headmins with anon if you want.

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:59 pm #36372

stay mad demiac

An0n3 wrote:Running both might be interesting just to see if there's a major difference between them.

Could be, there's kind of an assumption that the forum and the playerbase in general are a bit out of phase sometimes (an assumption I share) so it would be nice to see whether that's actually true.

Since the main focus should always be on the game, though, I support the in-game poll more than anything. That's what it's all about, the forums are just in service of that.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:28 pm #36423

damiac wrote:Screw it, just give Anon all 3 headmin positions, and unlimited deadminning power, as well as complete control over the message boards. It literally cannot get any worse than how it's going right now.

EDIT: Oh come on HBL, that was the perfect opportunity to say 'U mad bro?" I guess you're pretty ok though, you can be headmins with anon if you want.

I can't tell if you're saying this because you think I'm absolute shit and it's sarcasm or it's just pure sarcasm and you think I'm decent.

Either way I'm An0n3 and I approve this message.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:43 pm #36433

I really think scaredy should just pick 3 names out of a hat from #adminbus and be done with it already this has taken nearly a FULL FUCKING YEAR to happen

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:53 am #36445

>tfw aran becomes a headmin 3 times

anon do you actually intend to run for hatsmin cause you should

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:21 am #36449

paprika wrote:I really think scaredy should just pick 3 names out of a hat from #adminbus and be done with it already this has taken nearly a FULL FUCKING YEAR to happen

We were supposed to have done elections twice now

Incomptinence · Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:12 am

In game poll. Mandatory vote or you can't play. Make every admin be an option. ALSO MUST HAVE PREFERENCES BASED VOTING!

Palmer for Headmin!

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:28 am #36489

miggles wrote:>tfw aran becomes a headmin 3 times

anon do you actually intend to run for hatsmin cause you should

I'm an admin. I'd assume that puts me on the ballot like any other admin.
If people want a headmin that argues with everyone and only started playing again at the beginning of this month then vote for it.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:14 am #36523

those are both good things in my book

highlow · Post by **highlow** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:56 pm #36588

Not sure about ingame verses forums votes, but how would voting work? Does everyone get 3 votes? Or would everyone get 1 vote?

damiac · Post by **damiac** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:56 pm #36603

An0n3 wrote:
damiac wrote:Screw it, just give Anon all 3 headmin positions, and unlimited deadminning power, as well as complete control over the message boards. It literally cannot get any worse than how it's going right now.

EDIT: Oh come on HBL, that was the perfect opportunity to say 'U mad bro?" I guess you're pretty ok though, you can be headmins with anon if you want.
I can't tell if you're saying this because you think I'm absolute shit and it's sarcasm or it's just pure sarcasm and you think I'm decent.

Either way I'm An0n3 and I approve this message.

It's because I think you're decent, I think the current direction administration is going is terrible, I think you're one to go against the current direction, although I'm a little terrified of which direction you will go in, thus, I'm saying 'The devil we kinda know is better than the really shitty devil we know well'

Plus I think you might clean up some of the admintrash that needs taking out.

Redblaze3000 · Post by **Redblaze3000** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:34 pm #36634

Anon for headmin 2014! Change we can hope is better than the current shit.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:57 pm #36660

I think you guys are just tired of drinking hitler and now you want diet hitler.

I've got all that great hitler flavor but only half the hitler calories.

QuartzCrystal · Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:58 pm

So like, it's pretty apparent we just need to make this happen.

Could a moderator/site admin who either isn't an ingame admin, or has no interest in running for headmin, please volunteer to organize this? Neerti again maybe?

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:18 pm #36668

Neerti's gone though.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:25 pm #36671

The old headmin thread is locked but still around and it has all the pamphlet's/questions of the candidates for the headmin election

damiac · Post by **damiac** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:51 pm #36716

An0n3 wrote:I think you guys are just tired of drinking hitler and now you want diet hitler.

I've got all that great hitler flavor but only half the hitler calories.

I'm pretty sure it's mostly because of the Bojack picture and the signature to go with it. Although maybe Bojack is kinda like diet hitler...

QuartzCrystal · Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:07 am

I'll bug MSO or Jordie or someone to get on this.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:14 am #36727

Vote Cheridan for Triple Headcodermin. :^)

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:47 am #36733

Cheridan wrote:Vote Cheridan for Triple Headcodermin. :^)

this

callanrockslol · Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:16 am

I think we need a democratically elected commune to make decision on a rotatory basis.

Furthermore I propose that the the commune be overseen by a committee elected by commune members and sever on a weekly basis a advised by the server players.

Apsis · Post by **Apsis** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:37 am #37051

Where's the option that makes the vote happen in the first place? The toilets gotta get flushed sooner or later.

Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:56 pm

I'll add in a write-in "have scaredy pick them all I don't give a fuck"

QuartzCrystal · Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:18 pm

Alright so before anything happens SoS needs to give the go-ahead on the election.

I more or less volunteered to try to facilitate the whole process, at least for the players here on the forums. I dunno if I'll end up being the one to do it, but I figure it's helpful to have someone at least volunteer to make and upkeep the nomination thread(s). (worth noting that I don't want to be a headmin, and I'm cool with all the admins so I have no bias)

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:24 pm #37090

I still wanna apply for headmin.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:45 pm #37098

Which raises the question: Must the candidate be an admin to apply for headmin? Last time, if I recall, there was a non-admin or two running, though they never got close to winning.

Post by **Jordie0608** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:47 pm #37099

Cipher3 wrote:Which raises the question: Must the candidate be an admin to apply for headmin?

I think it'd be safe to assume so.

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:48 pm #37100

Cipher3 wrote:Which raises the question: Must the candidate be an admin to apply for headmin? Last time, if I recall, there was a non-admin or two running, though they never got close to winning.

Well, a headmin typically has to work with the admin team, which means an understanding of administration is mostly necessary.

QuartzCrystal · Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:36 pm

IT'S HAPPENING

CLICK THE THREAD LINK IN MY SIGNATURE.

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:54 pm #37229

So sayeth SoS that you don't need to be a member of the current admin team to run, but you do personally need to contact him before you'll be accepted and all that.

Where/how should the player vote be held?