[Togopal] Woross - sad permaban

[woross]

Byond account and character name: woross, character being Caveman

Banning admin: Togopal

Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server

Ban reason and length:

"Rule 1 - Has a history of acting shitty, named himself Caveman when told not to use this name and picks fights, killing in poor escalation."

P E R M A N E N T

Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2017-10-20 15:15:10 GMT+1

Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Not sure, I think Sybil

Your side of the story: The only truth in the ban reason is the statement that I named myself Caveman. I picked it because the only admin against it was Topogal and nothing in the rules is against that so I tried to play it when he wasn't online. He appeared out of nowhere! Saying that I picked fights is nonsense, in this particular situation that caused my ban it's very clear: someone was attacking the captain so I tried to defend him, the attacker ended up dying. All those cases of this character's violence were either direct self defense or defending someone.

Why you think you should be unbanned: I doubt most admins would ban me for what happened during this situation, I doubt that playing a naked guy with a spear and defending myself from attacks is that awful.

EDIT: Also remove the appearance ban against Caveman please

[kevinz000]

Mfw an admin tells you to not do something and you do it when they're offline instead.
And people wonder why I always hide my login.

[woross]

Well I know it sounds bad but it's not like he provided a proper reason for it. And playing a caveman doesn't really hurt anyone or violate the rules of the server

[TribeOfBeavers]

Well I know it sounds bad but it's not like he provided a proper reason for it. And playing a caveman doesn't really hurt anyone or violate the rules of the server

Rule 3 Precedents.
Excessively OOC names fall under rule 3. Make a minimum effort to have your name fit in a setting involving a wacky space station in the future. Admins may get involved if your name is dumb.

Although it's probably because you kept doing it after being told specifically to stop.

[woross]

I just want to play Caveman man

[Okand37]

Usually when you are told to not do something by an administrator then proceed to do it again despite them telling you not to, it is often considered "digging your own grave." If you decide to do that something and admit you were attempting to do it merely when the administrator was offline, it will often be taken as bad behavior and ignoring rules.

Excessively OOC names fall under rule 3. Make a minimum effort to have your name fit in a setting involving a wacky space station in the future. Admins may get involved if your name is dumb.

In regards to your name, we tend to try to encourage a "firstname lastname" basis for human characters (although rules for naming may be more lenient depending on roles such as clowns and mimes, or races like lizards or flypeople) although this may not be clearly stated on the wikipedia rule page like it should be. As a result, administrators will often private message players and ask them to change their name if it does not fall under what is mostly constituted as a "proper" name.

Hopefully the above will give you an understanding of the situation regarding your name. As for the alleged killing of other players, I was not present for the situation and do not have any mind to construct the story through loggings. If you wish to use them however, you may use the public parsed logs to aid in presenting your account of the situation.

From a short glance, you have a total of 44 bans and 74 notes from your initial join on 2013-09-21. Some of your most recent notes stemming from 2016 up until your ban are as follows:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

At the end of the day, we will have to wait for Togopol to be online to resolve your appeal.

[woross]

From a short glance, you have a total of 44 bans and 74 notes from your initial join on 2013-09-21.

That's not that bad considering it's a period of over 4 years.

[kevinz000]

20 notes a year isn't exactly good.
Also you have only 2360 connections.
You now have as many notes and bans as someone with 50% more connections than you.

[woross]

20 notes a year isn't exactly good.
Also you have only 2360 connections.
You now have as many notes and bans as someone with 50% more connections than you.

You must admit, however, that a big portion of them are meme-tier misdemeanors, not something game-ruining or mood-killing

Fig. 1

Warned - in IC chat.

Fig. 2

Yelled ops on an actual nuke ops round despite not actually knowing it was ops. Caused the entire crew to get armed up and waiting for said ops. This should be his last warning before a long banning

Fig. 3

Banned for 10 minutes - Fucked up his banebost, ruined the movie.

Fig. 4

Banned for 5 minutes - Why are you trying to start race war bullshit ?

[kevinz000]

I noted you for ooc in ic I fail to see a problem ex-gamer.

[woross]

People yell "AI ROGUE" and "VIVA" all the time

When was jokingly crying wolf ever actually a problem?

Besides, it's not my fault that the wolf actually came :^(


EDIT: Why did you delete that lzimann that was literally Top 10 Anime Battles

[A3STH3T1CS]

I've got warned for unimmersive nicknames before, once.
Even if your 74 notes are just 50% memes, that's over 30 notes of shit people had to put on your permanent record.

Fuck that, you'll get unbanned, get bored the next 5 minutes you sign in and play next month like you haven't learned a fucking thing.

[iamgoofball]

why was my comment about the baneposting "ruining" note deleted

that shit does not deserve to be held against someone in a fucking permaban, what the fuck

it was a meme note

[onleavedontatme]

I don't want to get into a long argument over the note history here but I think it's counterproductive to ban people for silly and harmless gimmicks like pretending to be a caveman after we wring our hands so much about how people only valid hunt.

[Cobby]

I don't want to get into a long argument over the note history here but I think it's counterproductive to ban people for silly and harmless gimmicks like pretending to be a caveman after we wring our hands so much about how people only valid hunt.

I mean we haven't heard togopal yet but I'd think picking fights != harmless prank

[Lazengann]

Next time be a lizard with the name "Hits-With-Clubs" which breaks the same amount of immersion but is allowed by the high quality role-playing standards we have here

[Rustledjimm]

Personally I look at this less as 'someone with a shitty gimmick got banned' but more as 'someone kept doing something they were specifically told not to do by an admin got banned'. The former it can be arguable on whether it should be banned, the latter I don't see why we should be surprised about the ban.

[onleavedontatme]

I don't want to get into a long argument over the note history here but I think it's counterproductive to ban people for silly and harmless gimmicks like pretending to be a caveman after we wring our hands so much about how people only valid hunt.

I mean we haven't heard togopal yet but I'd think picking fights != harmless prank

I meant the caveman name/attire/spear which seems to have been declared an issue on its own

[Qbopper]

i'm not sure why you couldn't just make your name something caveman sounding that isn't literally "caveman"

a caveman wouldn't call himself "caveman"

just make it "unga bongh" or something similar idk

[D&B]

i'm not sure why you couldn't just make your name something caveman sounding that isn't literally "caveman"

a caveman wouldn't call himself "caveman"

just make it "unga bongh" or something similar idk

How do you exactly know what a caveman would call himself?

[Cobby]

Regardless, our naming policy is pretty simple to follow.

possible names that do not break our very simple name guidelines:

Uunga Buunga
Ugh Ugh
Cave M. Anne
Cav Eman
Cave Man

Name he chose:
Caveman

I mean naming policy is always a fuss but as of now that policy is F L and quite frankly so easy to follow/bypass LEGALLY that setting it back to caveman is just doing it to intentionally break rules.

That's not even considering the fight part which we've yet to really discuss

[A3STH3T1CS]

if you really want to get into it, goofy unique names just like Unga Bunga to rival "caveman" are something I consider good subtle community gimmicks if anyone picks up on them

[woross]

possible names that do not break our very simple name guidelines:

Uunga Buunga
Ugh Ugh
Cave M. Anne
Cav Eman
Cave Man

Name he chose:
Caveman

De jure different, but de facto the same thing! I wouldn't think a spessmen simulator would be this formal.

[kevinz000]

possible names that do not break our very simple name guidelines:

Uunga Buunga
Ugh Ugh
Cave M. Anne
Cav Eman
Cave Man

Name he chose:
Caveman

De jure different, but de facto the same thing! I wouldn't think a spessmen simulator would be this formal.

might be my memory but didn't you say in ooc you're going back to hippie because you didn't like the place here?

[feem]

i don't care about your meme character

i care less about your name than i would have in the past but just fucking do 'Cave Mann' or something, don't be an idiot

i don't care if you go around punching people occasionally so long as you take your licks for it

if all you do is go around punching people and trying to get them to fight you so you can dunk them then i care and you seem to have done this on more than a few occasions

literally don't care about how many notes you have and you're right that a lot of them are dumb, but a lot of what you've done is also bad shit

you have a history of abusing whatever in-game power you happen to have at the time, whether that be your plausible deniability of being just a simple caveman, your honor, or of being a head of security

in this case the final straw was kinda silly but you honestly can't believe that after multiple warnings for your behavior over your time here that you wouldn't nab a ban for directly going against what an admin explicitly told you not to do in like the same day

can you?

[woross]

possible names that do not break our very simple name guidelines:

Uunga Buunga
Ugh Ugh
Cave M. Anne
Cav Eman
Cave Man

Name he chose:
Caveman

De jure different, but de facto the same thing! I wouldn't think a spessmen simulator would be this formal.

might be my memory but didn't you say in ooc you're going back to hippie because you didn't like the place here?

Well when I get banned on hippie, I say I don't like it there and that /tg/ is better
When I get banned on /tg/ I say the same but vice versa, not that hard to believe and (I think) not that bad

[woross]

i don't care about your meme character

i care less about your name than i would have in the past but just fucking do 'Cave Mann' or something, don't be an idiot

i don't care if you go around punching people occasionally so long as you take your licks for it

if all you do is go around punching people and trying to get them to fight you so you can dunk them then i care and you seem to have done this on more than a few occasions

literally don't care about how many notes you have and you're right that a lot of them are dumb, but a lot of what you've done is also bad shit

you have a history of abusing whatever in-game power you happen to have at the time, whether that be your plausible deniability of being just a simple caveman, your honor, or of being a head of security

in this case the final straw was kinda silly but you honestly can't believe that after multiple warnings for your behavior over your time here that you wouldn't nab a ban for directly going against what an admin explicitly told you not to do in like the same day

can you?

Man I really really don't intentionally go picking conflicts, I just like to end conflicts that are escalated against me or someone else

[Qbopper]

i don't care about your meme character

i care less about your name than i would have in the past but just fucking do 'Cave Mann' or something, don't be an idiot

i don't care if you go around punching people occasionally so long as you take your licks for it

if all you do is go around punching people and trying to get them to fight you so you can dunk them then i care and you seem to have done this on more than a few occasions

literally don't care about how many notes you have and you're right that a lot of them are dumb, but a lot of what you've done is also bad shit

you have a history of abusing whatever in-game power you happen to have at the time, whether that be your plausible deniability of being just a simple caveman, your honor, or of being a head of security

in this case the final straw was kinda silly but you honestly can't believe that after multiple warnings for your behavior over your time here that you wouldn't nab a ban for directly going against what an admin explicitly told you not to do in like the same day

can you?

Man I really really don't intentionally go picking conflicts, I just like to end conflicts that are escalated against me or someone else

this is the part you were supposed to reply to

in this case the final straw was kinda silly but you honestly can't believe that after multiple warnings for your behavior over your time here that you wouldn't nab a ban for directly going against what an admin explicitly told you not to do in like the same day

can you?

[woross]

this is the part you were supposed to reply to

in this case the final straw was kinda silly but you honestly can't believe that after multiple warnings for your behavior over your time here that you wouldn't nab a ban for directly going against what an admin explicitly told you not to do in like the same day

can you?

Certainly didn't think I'd nab a permanent ban for playing my favourite character nobody had any problem with prior to Togopal

[Arianya]

As a word of advice, trying to deflect the situation as somehow being the admin's fault for taking issue reflects poorly on you, considering its an admin who will decide your appeal.

[A3STH3T1CS]

AR has a valid point. Whose man is this anyways, he's not even the one banned?

[feem]

You weren't banned for playing a gimmick, you were banned for repeatedly ignoring admin instruction to stop engaging in a gimmick _which you commonly use to push the boundaries of grief_.

The correct course of action here would have been to raise an admin complaint or appeal one of your earlier notes about this, or the earlier ban.

You would NOT have gotten a permaban for this if you didn't also have a history of summary executions, improper escalations, and wandering around picking fights.

I do understand your feelings here, since again, the final straw was a succession of events which stemmed from you playing a gimmick. But you need to understand that the actual problem which led to the ban isn't the gimmick, it's your intentional disregard for admin guidance and your history of behavior.

Even if the appearance ban were to be lifted, you are still banned on account of those items.

[woross]

You weren't banned for playing a gimmick, you were banned for repeatedly ignoring admin instruction to stop engaging in a gimmick _which you commonly use to push the boundaries of grief_.

The correct course of action here would have been to raise an admin complaint or appeal one of your earlier notes about this, or the earlier ban.

You would NOT have gotten a permaban for this if you didn't also have a history of summary executions, improper escalations, and wandering around picking fights.

I do understand your feelings here, since again, the final straw was a succession of events which stemmed from you playing a gimmick. But you need to understand that the actual problem which led to the ban isn't the gimmick, it's your intentional disregard for admin guidance and your history of behavior.

Even if the appearance ban were to be lifted, you are still banned on account of those items.

Dunno man, the occasional wrongdoing over the course of four years can't be considered a history that awful. I never really did any of the major horrible things people tend to get permabans for, just the occasional autism here and there. I don't really get why people keep saying that I go wandering around picking fights, that's just not true. Of course, I do sometimes disarm a security guy for his baton just to space it seconds later and things like that, but I never initiate fights with the intent of slowly escalating it far enough that I can kill the guy. And for addressing the final straw thing where I ignored the admin, okay, of course I did, I admit that. I just really like to play the caveman, man, and I'm sorry.

[cedarbridge]

And for addressing the final straw thing where I ignored the admin, okay, of course I did, I admit that.

And that's why you copped this ban. Your impression is that as long as the admin that told you not to do something isn't around to see you do it then you can do whatever. That's not an angle that's going to get you any sympathy around here.

[Togopal]

This guy was a massive pain in the ass from start to finish when I witnessed him. Aside from naming himself "Caveman", being naked and holding a spear, which are really only minor problems, he insisted on only speaking like a Caveman ("ooga booga") and still insisted on involving himself in fights he had no place in even though he didnt want to communicate properly because haha funny caveman meme. In ahelps he was extremely unpleasant to deal with, bringing out all the cards that people typically pull ("fun hating admin" "so i can do X if someone Ys?") and evaded me just so he could be Caveman again. From his posts it looks like hes learned nothing.

[Togopal]

He also tried breaking into the HoP office to kill the HoP during my conversation with him about not fighting the HoP so that was why I banned him in the end

[woross]

He also tried breaking into the HoP office to kill the HoP during my conversation with him about not fighting the HoP so that was why I banned him in the end

The HoP endangered the integrity of the station by attacking the captain himself. The violation of the chain of command and mutiny is pretty clear in this case.

[woross]

This guy was a massive pain in the ass from start to finish when I witnessed him. Aside from naming himself "Caveman", being naked and holding a spear, which are really only minor problems, he insisted on only speaking like a Caveman ("ooga booga") and still insisted on involving himself in fights he had no place in even though he didnt want to communicate properly because haha funny caveman meme. In ahelps he was extremely unpleasant to deal with, bringing out all the cards that people typically pull ("fun hating admin" "so i can do X if someone Ys?") and evaded me just so he could be Caveman again. From his posts it looks like hes learned nothing.

Sorry I made you feel this way. I however find nothing wrong with playing a caveman in space. Certainly beats the usual powergaming and other fun you guys must deal with daily. And yes, wearing only a poncho and a spear and speaking in "ooga booga" is funny as hell. I wouldn't do it again if I knew it would get me permabanned, but I can tell you haven't yet experienced the joy of playing a really autistic gimmick.

[feem]

just play as cave mann and follow admin instructions and don't repeatedly get into situations that involve you getting bwoinked for escalating shit (which, by extension, means don't repeatedly and unnecessarily escalate shit) and don't be a shit in ahelps

this is all we ask of any player really

[Qbopper]

He also tried breaking into the HoP office to kill the HoP during my conversation with him about not fighting the HoP so that was why I banned him in the end

The HoP endangered the integrity of the station by attacking the captain himself. The violation of the chain of command and mutiny is pretty clear in this case.

Don't try to say "I'm a caveman IC!" and "chain of command is critical" in the same breath please

[Nilons]

He also tried breaking into the HoP office to kill the HoP during my conversation with him about not fighting the HoP so that was why I banned him in the end

The HoP endangered the integrity of the station by attacking the captain himself. The violation of the chain of command and mutiny is pretty clear in this case.

Don't try to say "I'm a caveman IC!" and "chain of command is critical" in the same breath please

This is really telling, he's doing the caveman schtick purely to have an excuse to be shit and start fights fnr then uses deeply respecting the command structure as an ic reasoning when it will let him start fights and be a shit

No matter what he does he's just trying to be a shit to people which i'm pretty sure violates rule 1

[Togopal]

Sorry I made you feel this way. I however find nothing wrong with playing a caveman in space. Certainly beats the usual powergaming and other fun you guys must deal with daily. And yes, wearing only a poncho and a spear and speaking in "ooga booga" is funny as hell. I wouldn't do it again if I knew it would get me permabanned, but I can tell you haven't yet experienced the joy of playing a really autistic gimmick.

You still seem to think that the name itself and ignoring me when I asked you to change it was the only reason you got permabanned. Both times I warned you about it, you were overescalating a situation to the point where I had to step in and tell you to knock it off, and from there, you still ignored me both times.

[kevinz000]

Maybe he just shouldn't play here if he can't understand what it means when he gets told to stop and keeps arguing a different point and not getting it at all to the point of trying to evade a specific admin.
If he read the rules he would see rule 6.

[woross]

He also tried breaking into the HoP office to kill the HoP during my conversation with him about not fighting the HoP so that was why I banned him in the end

The HoP endangered the integrity of the station by attacking the captain himself. The violation of the chain of command and mutiny is pretty clear in this case.

Don't try to say "I'm a caveman IC!" and "chain of command is critical" in the same breath please

Why not? Just because I'm a caveman means I can't contribute to the round?

[woross]

Sorry I made you feel this way. I however find nothing wrong with playing a caveman in space. Certainly beats the usual powergaming and other fun you guys must deal with daily. And yes, wearing only a poncho and a spear and speaking in "ooga booga" is funny as hell. I wouldn't do it again if I knew it would get me permabanned, but I can tell you haven't yet experienced the joy of playing a really autistic gimmick.

You still seem to think that the name itself and ignoring me when I asked you to change it was the only reason you got permabanned. Both times I warned you about it, you were overescalating a situation to the point where I had to step in and tell you to knock it off, and from there, you still ignored me both times.

Well sorry man. I don't think I was escalating anything beyond what was necessary. I just liked playing caveman a lot, that's all what my intentions were.

[Rustledjimm]

I think the outcome of this must be quite clear now. At this point the only reason to keep this thread open is salt mining from what I can see.

You were banned for repeatedly ignoring an admins instructions and for having a history of bad escalation and killing. You can't seem to accept this and seem to insist it must be about you being a Caveman. No, this is not about how bad your IC character is. It's about how bad of a player you are.

[Togopal]

The first time I told them to not name themselves "Caveman"

[Cobby]

Alright see you then.