Here it comes

[NoH8OnlyLove]

So why do we have sec when almost every single thing is ahelpable and bannable? 100% genuine 0% ironic. I really want to know.

[captain sawrge]

Hitler Security Coming To You Next Sunday. Prepare yourselves

[NoH8OnlyLove]

That's right daddy-o

[bandit]

Because the jobs of the lawyer and the detective have been near-entirely foisted onto the admins, with no pushback from anybody anywhere at all. This is the result. Enjoy it.

[BeeSting12]

Not everything is ahelpable/bannable as you say. I brig and gulag and perma plenty of nonantagonists when I play security and I don't seem them banned or even talked to unless it becomes a consistent thing. If you're being gulagged every single round you play assistant, or spending 90% of your round brigged because you can't stop griefing security, and this is a consistent thing that happens every round, that's when "every little thing" becomes ahelpable. It even says this in the rules.

"Everyone has a license to grief to a very limited extent. You can likely get away with borderline antagonistic behaviour (Never random murder, but stealing from the brig and triggering a manhunt, for example) occasionally, but it's when this becomes a frequent occurrence that people get frustrated and admins start to get involved."

That sort of stuff becomes unfun fast when you do it every round. Nonantagonist IC conflict is fun- one of the best parts of the game sometimes as it provides a break from constantly fighting people with a license to grief- everything is roleplayed out properly or at very least has some semblance of escalation. Admins are not banning everyone for this shit because I still occasionally get nonantagonist IC confict as sec and other roles, and I very rarely get bwoinked on either side because I know when to stop and when it's appropriate to greytide a bit. Most people do, which is why most people don't get bwoinked for "every little thing."

The solution, if this is actually a problem, which I think it is starting to become one due to the recent ban appeals which definitely should've been IC issues, is to hit the IC issue button more often on IC issues and crack down on people that ban bait and the people that grief on a regular basis. (If you see a large amount of adminhelps about greytide for a person, they should definitely be put on a watchlist for greytide and warned, and given then bans if they continue.)

[onleavedontatme]

To kill antags

[NoH8OnlyLove]

Welp. Can't argue with any of the 3 aforementioned posts. Shut it down boys.

[Tokiko2]

I used to bomb departments as sec officer and never got a single bwoink or note or even someone telling me not to do that.

As long as you don't arrest people, you can be a loose cannon.

[Slignerd]

Okay, but why is Beesting giving a serious, multi-paragraph answer to a bait thread by a greytiding assistant upset that they got in trouble for metagrudging.

[D&B]

We have sec so we can ban people dummy.

[CPTANT]

I have always been in favour of less admin intervention and more freedom to solve conflicts IC.

[Cobby]

You are given wiggle room to grief since the game sometimes requires it to be fun.

However, invoking such ability nigh constantly can become an OOC issue as you are well aware.

I IC issue most things but there's times where I gotta be the stinky admin.

[captain sawrge]

Okay, but why is Beesting giving a serious, multi-paragraph answer to a bait thread by a greytiding assistant upset that they got in trouble for metagrudging.

For you

[NoH8OnlyLove]

Okay, but why is Beesting giving a serious, multi-paragraph answer to a bait thread by a greytiding assistant upset that they got in trouble for metagrudging.

I'm not upset mate. I had tons of fun and I'm betting you're one of the people I dumpster on a daily basis, but this is off-topic.

[kevinz000]

Okay, but why is Beesting giving a serious, multi-paragraph answer to a bait thread by a greytiding assistant upset that they got in trouble for metagrudging.

I'm not upset mate. I had tons of fun and I'm betting you're one of the people I dumpster on a daily basis, but this is off-topic.

And I'm a petty bitch

[Hathkar]

Okay, but why is Beesting giving a serious, multi-paragraph answer to a bait thread by a greytiding assistant upset that they got in trouble for metagrudging.

I'm not upset mate. I had tons of fun and I'm betting you're one of the people I dumpster on a daily basis, but this is off-topic.

Funnily enough, when someone dumpsters you after you disarm spam and table them constantly, you throw a bitchfit and say you'll add them to your "list" and moan endlessly that they have autism.

And you were on probation too.
rly maks you u thnk

[NoH8OnlyLove]

Guys this isn't about me. Please inbox me with all your fanmail

[bandit]

This thread has run its course.

[Armhulen]

This thread has run its course.

yeah.