How to fix changeling death squads

[InsaneHyena]

Changelings are extremely formidable on their own. Everybody knows that. Changelings get a free traitor radio, so they can unite and destroy the crew. It happens all the time.
Traitors also often ally, but there's a catch involved - paranoia, if you will. You're never sure if you can trust your ally. What if you're his target? What if he'll simply shoot you in the back and take all of your gear and TCs for himself?
There's no such fear for changelings. inb4 "changelings can have objectives to kill one another" - yes, technically, but it never happens, because changelings change identities so easily.

Now, removing changeling hivemind is not an option. I've tried it and got shut down. But what if we add an incentive for changelings to betray one another?
For every changeling you consume, you gain 1-2 DNA points. Just like traitors can discard their allies for sweet loot, changelings can decide that their brethren will be more useful dead.

You can still help each other and cooperate... But SHOULD you? You never know...

[ShadowDimentio]

Remove changelings from the code or bring back oldling entirely.

Those are the only options.

[DireVictory]

Remove changelings from the code or bring back oldling entirely.

Those are the only options.

Yup, do it. Or the hippie/yog changeling, maybe modified.

[Armhulen]

G O O N L I N G

[ShadowDimentio]

G O O N L I N G

Do itttttt

[Anonmare]

Honestly the only thing I think worth preserving from our version is flesh clothing

[ShadowDimentio]

Honestly the only thing I think worth preserving from our version is flesh clothing

I really like the power, it's extremely useful for QUICK DISGUISES ON THE GO, but I think there should be a small nerf to it so that it's more of an emergency disguise than a permanent shapechange along with clothes. If you examine someone within a tile of them and they're wearing flesh clothing, it should tell you that their clothes look strange and fleshy.

Everything else should get the axe though.

[leibniz]

G O O N L I N G

Do itttttt

[Remie Richards]

or bring back oldling entirely.

I'm sorry? can you speak english please?

[DemonFiren]

bring back oldling tbh

[Remie Richards]

bring back oldling tbh

No, not german, ENGLISH.

[leibniz]

bring back oldling tbh

No, not german, ENGLISH.

Stay triggered

[Remie Richards]

Lol fuck off leibniz.

[Armhulen]

Lol fuck off leibniz.

mean and passive agressive

[CPTANT]

Nobody ever listens to me.

The solution is side antag progression ling

No really.

[Remie Richards]

Lol fuck off leibniz.

mean and passive agressive

I don't think you know what passive means.

[PKPenguin321]

add skill trees to lings, so investing into the combat side makes you unable to have tank/restorative/stealth abilities, and investing in tank/restorative/stealth abilities makes you unable to have full combat abilities.

could be done by grouping abilities into their respective categories (kind of like the wizard spellbook), then making purchasing an ability from one category cause abilities in other categories to go up in price. so say you purchase Armblade from the Combat category. now Fleshmend, Anatomic Pancea, and everything else in the Restoration category will go up in price. alternatively, instead of going up in price, they could instead cost more chems to use. standard ling regen (the one they have innately that lets them rise from the dead) could cost +10 chems for every combat ability in the lings possession, for example.

[ShadowDimentio]

Good on paper, bad in practice. It'll just mean the lings use guns or other gear more because they don't have to pay to play.

So instead of immortal armblade turbofaggotry we'd have immortal egun turbofaggotry

[DemonFiren]

bring back oldling tbh

No, not german, ENGLISH.

Stay triggered

Do I even wanna know where the changeling touched that coder?

[ShadowDimentio]

Remie has it out for parasting, and is deafeningly silent whenever anyone rightfully points out that ling is worse now than it ever was with parasting

[Remie Richards]

I don't disagree it's shit at the moment.
I disagree with the retarded notion parasting was anything but crap of the highest degree.

[CPTANT]

I don't disagree it's shit at the moment.
I disagree with the retarded notion parasting was anything but crap of the highest degree.

Parasting was complete aids, but something like a stamina destroying sting would be fine.

The difference between being able to do absolutely nothing and being able to walk and act for 10 seconds before falling down is huge.

[ShadowDimentio]

I disagree with the retarded notion parasting was anything but crap of the highest degree.

Wrong.

[Wyzack]

Shadow literally nearly everyone hated it. It was as close to a consensus as we ever get here

[ShadowDimentio]

I've covered this like a dozen times but it was fine when it was effectively the only offensive skill lings had, especially when you consider literally every other antag has skills that are even worse than stunning one dude silently.

Yes, you could turbofuck one guy out of existence at a time, but guess what? Currently lings are worse in every single way.

[bman]

G O O N L I N G

Do itttttt

[PKPenguin321]

Good on paper, bad in practice. It'll just mean the lings use guns or other gear more because they don't have to pay to play.

So instead of immortal armblade turbofaggotry we'd have immortal egun turbofaggotry

still an improvement

[ShadowDimentio]

Substantially less of one than just removing lings from the code or porting goonlings

[PKPenguin321]

nonetheless, still an improvement

[Anonmare]

PK I'm going to have to start charging royalties if you keep coming up with ideas I had as well way back when

[Steelpoint]

G O O N L I N G

Even if we don't add Goonling, just remove our ling. Its a rotting limb that should've been amputated a long time ago.

[leibniz]

Shadow literally nearly everyone hated it. It was as close to a consensus as we ever get here

Your account seems to be newer than newling, as in, no parasting or extract dna sting changeling.

[Remie Richards]

The PR removing Parastring links to a thread that is no longer accessible.
However there are no complaints on the PR at all.

[DemonFiren]

At least wash your hands after pulling a statement like that out your ass.

[Remie Richards]

Are you talking to me?

[Steelpoint]

Who cares about Parasting if we just get Goonling. We genuinely cannot go wrong with that.

Also Parasting sucked from what I can vaguely recall, and giving Lings parasting is not going to fix our ling at all.

[onleavedontatme]

Parasting was the most reviled feature ever added to this game

[ShadowDimentio]

Who cares about Parasting if we just get Goonling. We genuinely cannot go wrong with that.

Also Parasting sucked from what I can vaguely recall, and giving Lings parasting is not going to fix our ling at all.

Adding parasting to current ling would just make it worse, but turning back the clock to oldling where parasting was effectively their only offensive weapon would immidiately fix lings and turn the back into 1V1 gods that got dunked in group combat.

[Dr_bee]

Who cares about Parasting if we just get Goonling. We genuinely cannot go wrong with that.

Also Parasting sucked from what I can vaguely recall, and giving Lings parasting is not going to fix our ling at all.

Adding parasting to current ling would just make it worse, but turning back the clock to oldling where parasting was effectively their only offensive weapon would immidiately fix lings and turn the back into 1V1 gods that got dunked in group combat.

Parasting was horrible, It was extremely unfun for the victim, you did not feel like there was any way to react to it, it makes for very bad gameplay.

Goon's neurotoxin sting is a good alternative, as it has a tell, lets you react and move around while taking the brain damage, and still lets you scream out if you are fast enough.

[kevinz000]

if i wanted 2 dna points i'll click on dna extract and altclick two people.
not do some dumb nerf by someone who can't get good.

[bman]

if i wanted 2 dna points i'll click on dna extract and altclick two people.
not do some dumb nerf by someone who can't get good.

dna points != extracted dna

[InsaneHyena]

if i wanted 2 dna points i'll click on dna extract and altclick two people.
not do some dumb nerf by someone who can't get good.

Aren't you that guy who gets outrobusted by clowns?