MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

TheColdTurtle · Fri May 12, 2017 1:57 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

Local man with a shit name doesn't understand sarcasm

420weedscopes · Fri May 12, 2017 2:11 pm

thread soundtrack
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Post by **Armhulen** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:13 pm #292720

Nilons wrote:
Sligneris wrote:

He's got undeniable proof in the form of a confession that we're the ones behind the attack.
He's got some random dickhead saying it. If it was mso, an admin, or a maintainer it would have weight. Tgstation is not responsible for what random dickheads say

Nilons doesn't understand comedy 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:14 pm #292721

Also shit turtle beat me to it

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:26 pm #292726

God fucking dammit I take posts in the hut seriously it was just hut bait take posts outside seriously it was just an epic joke dude.

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:27 pm #292727

Nilons wrote:God fucking dammit I take posts in the hut seriously it was just hut bait take posts outside seriously it was just an epic joke dude.

Is this English?

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:28 pm #292729

Armhulen wrote:
Nilons wrote:God fucking dammit I take posts in the hut seriously it was just hut bait take posts outside seriously it was just an epic joke dude.
Is this English?

I'm so mad

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:09 pm #292759

Armhulen wrote:
Nilons wrote:
Sligneris wrote:

He's got undeniable proof in the form of a confession that we're the ones behind the attack.
He's got some random dickhead saying it. If it was mso, an admin, or a maintainer it would have weight. Tgstation is not responsible for what random dickheads say
Nilons doesn't understand comedy 2: Electric Boogaloo of Nanotrasen

Post by **Rockdtben** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:58 pm #292778

Could you guys move to a different thread. This is dumb.

Nilons · Post by **Nilons** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:59 pm #292780

Rockdtben wrote:Could you guys move to a different thread. This is dumb.

Exactly what Im saying

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:47 pm #292795

someone has linked this right http://www.lexology.com/library/detail. ... 1c84a2aa46

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:34 pm #292822

bandit wrote:someone has linked this right http://www.lexology.com/library/detail. ... 1c84a2aa46

Relying on Jacobsen v. Katzer, the District Court concluded that royalty-free licensing under open source conditions does not preclude a claim for damages.

Holy
SHIT

Breach of contract claims may also be able to address reputational harm and other indirect non-economic benefits that a plaintiff might derive from enforcing open source license conditions.

Remie Richards · Fri May 12, 2017 6:23 pm

What's also noteworthy is:

Generally, copyright claims may afford plaintiffs more damages and stronger remedies than contract claims. However, contract claims may help a plaintiff pursue a violator’s worldwide conduct in a way that jurisdictional limits on copyright claims might not allow.

Essentially, treating (A)GPL as a contract for purposes of law allows it to avoid local "copyright" jurisdictions, and become worldwide, we can all see how that would be useful, surely.

bman · Post by **bman** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:19 pm #292886

420weedscopes wrote:thread soundtrack
[youtube]cLoytewvn0g[/youtube]

good song

TheColdTurtle · Sat May 13, 2017 7:15 pm

Well apparently godsring fired some guys and now they are making a separate server?

EDIT: Some neat little images

TheColdTurtle · Sat May 13, 2017 7:55 pm

Ok so from my limited understanding on what happened, aran got mad that godsring deadminned their friend for being a control freak, so aran sent a death threat to godsring and his son. When godsring then deadminned aran and didn't explain it, most of the staff left or something.

danno · Post by **danno** » Sat May 13, 2017 7:55 pm #293277

byond games are serious business!

420weedscopes · Sun May 14, 2017 12:41 pm

holy fuck
aranamor apologized

ohnopigeons · Sun May 14, 2017 12:49 pm

TheColdSlime wrote:Ok so from my limited understanding on what happened, aran got mad that godsring deadminned their friend for being a control freak, so aran sent a death threat to godsring and his son. When godsring then deadminned aran and didn't explain it, most of the staff left or something.

IIRC the first deadminning happened because the friend admin said someone had no reading comprehension and apparently this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Then there was an argument about admin policy and criticism about how Godsring picks and favors admins based on how emotionally supportive they are to him and not by their admin ability and effort. Godsring didn't exactly refute this. The rest is history I guess.

All of the messages of the first deadmin (and aran's) were removed but here's a screenshot of the leftovers of the immediate aftermath.

Spoiler:

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sun May 14, 2017 3:17 pm #293524

Godsring and Aran both appear to be horrible, so I really don't know who should I cheer for here.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Sun May 14, 2017 6:11 pm #293560

My overall goal was to create a lifeweb private ERP community

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Sun May 14, 2017 6:15 pm #293562

Doctor Pork · Sun May 14, 2017 10:31 pm

Sligneris wrote:Godsring and Aran both appear to be horrible, so I really don't know who should I cheer for here.

Nobody wins.

DrPillzRedux · Mon May 15, 2017 12:09 am

so godsring literally said don't talk to me or my wifes son ever again

Post by **oranges** » Mon May 15, 2017 12:47 am #293676

dude aranamor lol they are a drama magnet

TheColdTurtle · Mon May 15, 2017 1:24 am

Well when they purposely try to make drama for any kind of attention, I would assume yes.

tacolizard · Post by **tacolizard** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:50 pm #295178

DrPillzRedux wrote:so godsring literally said don't talk to me or my wifes son ever again

U N D E R R A T E D

Also let's reflect on some of Nilons' wisdom:

God fucking dammit I take posts in the hut seriously it was just hut bait take posts outside seriously it was just an epic joke dude.

WalterJe · Post by **WalterJe** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:11 pm #297578

Something something didn't want to go to court, so now something something is open-source:
https://bitbucket.org/Jackerzz/fallout-13

On this day May 23 - 2017, in order to let players continue to enjoy the Fallout 13 project and allow the further hosting of our servers on Byond HUB, Fallout 13 administration has made an uneasy decision to ease monopoly on the source code.
Developers have tried their best to defend the project, by seeking holes in licensing, and other ways not to surrender, but capitulation turned out the only reasonable thing to do, besides a complete termination of a project.
This day shall be remembered as a day of great shame and disappointment, but also a day when each and everyone got the ability to directly contribute to the project, a day when Fallout 13 was saved from a Great War of Communities, and potential extinction by the course of war.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:31 pm #297583

Wonderful. If this is the real deal, I'm glad that this is over.

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:39 pm #297586

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:59 pm #297589

WalterJe wrote:Something something didn't want to go to court, so now something something is open-source:
https://bitbucket.org/Jackerzz/fallout-13

On this day May 23 - 2017, in order to let players continue to enjoy the Fallout 13 project and allow the further hosting of our servers on Byond HUB, Fallout 13 administration has made an uneasy decision to ease monopoly on the source code.
Developers have tried their best to defend the project, by seeking holes in licensing, and other ways not to surrender, but capitulation turned out the only reasonable thing to do, besides a complete termination of a project.
This day shall be remembered as a day of great shame and disappointment, but also a day when each and everyone got the ability to directly contribute to the project, a day when Fallout 13 was saved from a Great War of Communities, and potential extinction by the course of war.

Look at all this fucking bathos.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue May 23, 2017 2:02 pm #297592

We did it reddit

callanrockslol · Tue May 23, 2017 2:09 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but since the art assets are cc-by-sa and not AGPL like the code couldn't they have nuked the art, redone it all and then release the code by itself?

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Tue May 23, 2017 2:55 pm #297610

CosmicScientist wrote:
Jacough wrote:
My overall goal was to create a lifeweb private ERP community
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/m ... p1_200.JPG
I'm confused. They have a wife and a son? They clearly know what real life ERP is so why do they need byond ERP?

He cucks himself.

TheColdTurtle · Tue May 23, 2017 4:47 pm

CosmicScientist wrote:
Jacough wrote:
My overall goal was to create a lifeweb private ERP community
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/m ... p1_200.JPG
I'm confused. They have a wife and a son? They clearly know what real life ERP is so why do they need byond ERP?

Oh he divorced his wife and is in a custody battle with his son!

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:49 pm #297674

Ah well. Would have been funny to see this actually escalate to a legit court case.

Anyway, I stepped down as the spriter for the project since they got a couple more guys to do assets now. Just kind of lost my motivation for most of my hobbies over the last couple of months. I'm still letting them use my art, but I mean, since it's open source I guess you guys can nab whatever now.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:23 pm #297750

Now that they're open source I can port guncrafting.

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:29 pm #297755

iamgoofball wrote:Now that they're open source I can port guncrafting.

the bomb has been planted

ohnopigeons · Tue May 23, 2017 10:34 pm

What did he mean by this?

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:42 pm #297942

ohnopigeons wrote:

What did he mean by this?

I assume the version he released is some shit version and he's keeping the actual version away to be all like "haha I did what you want but not really!"

mattroks101 · Tue May 23, 2017 10:50 pm

iamgoofball wrote:Now that they're open source I can port guncrafting.

Port guncrafting pls goofsenpai.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:03 am #297996

this should be interesting

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:20 am #298008

ohnopigeons wrote:https://a.safe.moe/frVRp.png
https://a.safe.moe/KLuUU.png

What did he mean by this?

He really needs to stop being a little bitch about the source code. The only thing he's doing is shoveling more shit on to the pile of shit he's already trying to clean up. I don't see how he can think it's worth it.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:28 am #298010

I guess keep preparing for the lawsuit then, since Godsring evidently has no intention of legitimately and sincerely complying with the license.

Limey · Post by **Limey** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:34 am #298011

its yet another "godsring is not all there" episode

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:47 am #298015

the legacy version is the one based on the original fo13 project, which was based on some really ancient tg code. It's what all the fo13 projects used as a starting point. Not really much blood to squeeze from that when the russians have made their project open sourced.

Anyway, I might clean up my assets and throw them in a zip archive if anyone wants to use them. No point in keeping them hidden now.

Post by **oranges** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:05 am #298020

legacy is pre AGPL yeah, means they lose on all our optimizations and improvements since.

Good luck to them if they make it work like CM does, although they'll still be shitters

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:08 am #298023

Oh, it's only GPL legacy that was withheld?

godsring · Post by **godsring** » Wed May 24, 2017 3:31 am #298083

Hello there finally! Perhaps I can now actually defend myself and my intentions in this gigantic dramatic shitstorm.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Wed May 24, 2017 3:34 am #298084

welcum 2 tee gee

anyways

thanks for cooperating friend, and don't worry we won't harass you over legacy, you're well within your rights to not release that

feel free to contact me at any time if you've got questions about shit, or want something ported to your OS bitbucket(if I have the time anyways)

best place to get ahold of me is irc.rizon.net #coderbus with your favorite irc client

godsring · Post by **godsring** » Wed May 24, 2017 3:41 am #298087

fifty_hz_clock_wave wrote:legacy is pre AGPL yeah, means they lose on all our optimizations and improvements since.

Good luck to them if they make it work like CM does, although they'll still be imperfect people playing an imperfect game

As a note I have already improved the legacy base far beyond what it used to be boot times are kept to around 1~ minute with 3 500x500 maps runtime cpu usage sits around 1~ I did quite a few improvements to both the MC and subsystems associated with the base of /TG/ and no I have no intention of sharing said improvements and optimization with /TG/ due to the massive amounts of drama /TG/ has caused for our development group and community. I feel /TG/ has went out of their way to make an example of the Official Fallout 13 project at the expense of those who worked on the project. I also implemented a nice new donation and whitelist system from scratch which works quite nicely for adding many special features for both donators and whitelist applicants.

The leadership here had no regard to how this would personally effect the project or anyone on the team and had nothing to gain by trying to force our group to release. I have lost much respect for /TG/ although I doubt they care. My intentions are to continue to project and give full support to my community and to whatever they want in the game at this time that does include an 18+ only community and ERP.

I would also like to note before ever hosting our new build I personally came to contact MrStonedOne telling him that we wouldnt be fully open sourcing but offering him all of our core code that he may or may not be able to use. He did not respond and instead directly contacted BYOND with a DMCA. We originally had no problem sharing our code whatsoever our problem was sharing the sprites.

As for being less then sane it is certainly possible I run two communities fallout 13's official English community and have been doing so without an active headmin as well as Dungeon Master not to mention I am the sole and head developer for the English side of the project. I also contribute to PCSX2 and am in the middle of a custody battle with my gf having had to file to ex parte orders against her to protect my son from abuse and neglect. So at this current point im also a single parent. I believe yes it might make me less then sane... maybe?

As a note $1500 retainer so my budget this month has been quite "tight". This also adds to the stress of this whole situation. I went to court on the 22nd and now have to go back on the 6th as my lawyer suggested to the judge an extension to allow my ex to get a lawyer.

As for features in /TG/ I have a far more in-depth dismemberment system in dungeon master which was quite simple to write we will soon have that added as well once I get more time to work on the project. After adding in that, colored & dynamic lighting, 3d sounds, gun impact effects, and a new loadout system we will be back on track.