Greytiders vs. Security

lordmummie · Post by **lordmummie** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:29 pm #210338

Before I start the actual topic I want to give some information first: I pretty much always play under the name Peter Thompson and am either security or engineering 90% of the time. Today I got jobbanned from security by Chaps. This post is in no way meant as an attack on Chaps, the way he handeld it or anything or anyone else. This topic is meant to discuss the issue there lies in the greytiders. That being said we can move on to the actual topic:

To demonstrate the issue I would like to describe a regular round start as a security officer. You begin by geari-"GENERIC GREYSHIRT BREAKING INTO TECH STORAGE"-you quickly drop whatever you're holding, grab a taser, lock the locker and run off to tech storage. You taze the the greyshirt, drag him off to brig start removing his gear in the locker, tie him to the be-
GREYSHIRT HITS THE REINFORCED WINDOW WITH THE WELDING TOOL
GREYSHIRT HITS THE REINFORCED WINDOW WITH THE WELDING TOOL
GREYSHIRT HITS THE REINFORCED WINDOW WITH THE WELDING TOOL
You bucklecuff the guy you just arrested, go out to arrest the other greyshirt aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's gone.

To be honest this amount of fuckery happens only once in so many rounds but I can guarantee you that 90% of the med to high pop rounds starts off with some greyshirt breaking into stuff within 5 minutes. Because of this I started handing out verry harsh sentences to people who did this (5 to 10 minutes depending on what they were doing. This used to be fine untill someone actually felt like they were wronged and ahelped it. As it would turn out it isn't acceptable to give greytiders these severe punishments. And this is where my problem lies: it is for some reason fully allowed to just pick assisstant and do nothing but being a shithead for the whole round but unacceptable to give those guys who aren't contributing anything to the station, actually making it worse, a severe punishment. This seems utterly ridiculous to me.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:35 pm #210339

Kor said that if a greyshirt starts calling to his greytide brothers, demands AI to bolt depower everything and otherwise be "SECURITY KILLING ME", he's valid to execute. So there's that.
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onleavedontatme · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:38 pm

2016-09-10 14:41:04
shaps
Sybil
As HoS, brigged a guy for 5 minutes for shooting laser tag beams at him, then upped it to 10 minutes when they complained. Argued that he should be given a pass since he plays HoS constantly and is tired of greytiding, was told to stop playing sec so much if he can't handle small shenanigans without ruining other peoples fun

If this is what you consider greytiding no wonder you're stressed out.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:41 pm #210341

> Not stripping backpacks, toolbelts and emptying pockets when brigging someone and putting it in the cell's locker.

No wonder you can't efficiently deal with them.

Personally, I might be a bit infamous for using the gulag fairly liberally, but that's what you're best off doing. Even 300 points for breaking a window is sufficient. If they don't try to work at all and simply suicide, problem solves itself. If they spend their time actively contributing to something meaningful, maybe they'll return with a better mindset.

It's stressful, and some regular greytiders should've been assistant banned already (*cough*Akarani*cough*), but it works for ridding the station of trash.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:42 pm #210342

Crimes should be taken as an escalation of an individual, not a group. Urist McGreyshit breaking a window has no bearing on alph McGreyshit stealing a needle. If you brig a guy for five minutes for breaking a window because another guy keeps doing it then you're being a dick.
Yes Security is stressful and greys are irritatingly shit 99% of the time,but there is still another player at the end of the connection that you are punishing heavily for the actions of someone unrelated.

onleavedontatme · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:42 pm

Sligneris wrote:> Not stripping backpacks, toolbelts and emptying pockets when brigging someone and putting it in the cell's locker.

No wonder you can't efficiently deal with them.

I think he meant a second assistant ran up and started hitting the window.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:50 pm #210349

Oh, the dumbfuck "Viva!! Shitcurity!! Comdoms!!" crowds?

Personally, I wish we were able to go lethal on people acting like this, especially if they keep it up regularly. Obviously we can't, but it's super frustrating when we see people like this actively break random windows and throw spears at people.

lordmummie · Post by **lordmummie** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:35 pm #210368

Kor wrote:2016-09-10 14:41:04
shaps
Sybil
As HoS, brigged a guy for 5 minutes for shooting laser tag beams at him, then upped it to 10 minutes when they complained. Argued that he should be given a pass since he plays HoS constantly and is tired of greytiding, was told to stop playing sec so much if he can't handle small shenanigans without ruining other peoples fun

If this is what you consider greytiding no wonder you're stressed out.

I feel like this note lacks the details that caused the situation but that's another problem (I never wanted a pass for what I did since I was and still am 100% convinced I was correct there). I'm talking about the mentality of hey imma pick assisstant and just head over to sec and be an ass for the rest of the round.
Yes there is a player on the other side but the same goes for them. We don't select security because we wanna play greytide defense 2016; we want to be security. Honestly the ruining of rounds upon rounds is way worse than having to alt tab for 5 minutes and doing something else.

Post by **Atlanta-Ned** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:41 pm #210416

Your mistake is in thinking that "anything that is even slightly antagonistic is bad", when the reality is that greytiding is a very intangible thing. In this case, yes, laser tag spam is super annoying, but it's not worth tossing someone in for ten minutes over. Why some people feel compelled to do this is beyond me. I'm a fan of stunning them and taking it away if they're being obnoxious with it.

Sidon · Post by **Sidon** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:36 pm #210473

Some people take this game way too seriously, have fun for once

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:46 pm #210476

It's strange to me. On one hand greytiders are pieces of shit and I treat them very harshly as HoS, but on the other I think I would actually miss them if they were gone.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:27 am #210554

Why not just taze, beat him a bit with the laser tag gun, then toss the laser tag gun out the airlock.

Then when he comes back for 'revenge' you have an excuse to put him down for good.

lordmummie · Post by **lordmummie** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:10 pm #210566

Sidon wrote:Some people take this game way too seriously, have fun for once

I enjoy the harmless jokes like a clown suddenly slipping you on a bannana, because it's his job. I enjoy the engineer who made a disposals loop and lures me into it, because it requires work and is rather original. I don't enjoy the same joke every single shift. When I litterally do not get the time to announce that any form of greytiding gets severe punishment because of some greyshirt already running around in brig. Those type of people just gets a straight 5 minutes.

cocothegogo · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:16 pm

dealing with grey ride can be a very grey area

Post by **Cobby** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:10 pm #210583

Gulag and Greytide both start with g....

I think you know what to do.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:22 pm #210585

Greytide and grave also both start with g.

Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:24 pm

Security and shit start with the same thing
So does captain with comdom
Also librarian/lawyer with loser

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:56 pm #210595

Where's the lie?

Lumbermancer · Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:07 pm

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Gulag and Greytide both start with g....

I think you know what to do.

Except apparently normal officers don't have access to telegulag console anymore.

TechnoAlchemist · Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:15 pm

Lumbermancer wrote:
ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Gulag and Greytide both start with g....

I think you know what to do.
Except apparently normal officers don't have access to telegulag console anymore.

Yeah they don't, I thought we'd still be able to manually gulag people but sadly the console that sets the points is integrated with the teleporter, so gulaging as anyone besides warden/hos/captain is impossible if you want to set a timer.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:51 pm #210633

That's retarded. Needs to be fixed ASAP.

Sidon · Post by **Sidon** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:12 pm #210655

It's either that, or limited uses boys.

cocothegogo · Post by **cocothegogo** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:15 pm #210657

PKPenguin321 wrote:Security and shit start with the same thing
So does captain with comdom
Also librarian/lawyer with loser

admin - aspergers

it all makes sense now

Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:52 pm

Luke Cox wrote:That's retarded. Needs to be fixed ASAP.

no, kor specifically made it so gulagging has to go through the warden

Post by **oranges** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:28 pm #210681

I think you were looking for the policy subforum and got lost

lordmummie · Post by **lordmummie** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:42 am #210777

oranges wrote:I think you were looking for the policy subforum and got lost

Apperently so, my appologies.

Anyway thread derailed to why no gulag. Guess I'll just be greytiding the next months untill someone realizes how annoying it is.

Lumbermancer · Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:35 am

Sidon wrote:It's either that, or limited uses boys.

Well the original idea was indeed to have limited number of telepods each becoming occupied as person is sent to gulag, specifically to make sec not use it to solve all their problems and grudges.

Reyn · Post by **Reyn** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:32 pm #210834

How to deal with greytiders and imprisoning in general.
1Make sure they're pinned down into the bed.
2.Take their headsets and anything they can use to contact the ai or other greytiders
3.Give them a good ammount of time, based on their crime, or gulag or execute if needed.
4.If all else fails, kill the camera to shut up the ai.
5.If someone tries to free them, imprison the rescuer as well.

Post by **Atlanta-Ned** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:35 pm #210836

Reyn wrote: 2.Take their headsets and anything they can use to contact the ai or other greytiders

Protip: This is super shitty, don't do it unless they're actively being a shitheel.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:42 pm #210841

You guys are missing the reason we don't let greytide off easy

Slap on the wrist translates to "I CAN VALID THAT OFFICER FOR TRYING TO ARREST ME" to greytiders.

Act shit, get treated like shit. If I'm getting a lot of people doing the same bullshit, I up the punishment for EVERYONE who does it, so people stop fucking doing it.

onleavedontatme · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:52 pm

Slap on the wrist translates to "I CAN VALID THAT OFFICER FOR TRYING TO ARREST ME" to greytiders.

But then they get banned?

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:03 pm #210848

Not always. I remember numerous cases, where greytiders waging outright war against security got away with slaps on the wrist. Tee Fury is a good example.

onleavedontatme · Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:09 pm

ComradeQue has 74 bans (blanket head/sec bans count like 5 times each) on record so he wasn't exactly left alone by admins.

Reyn · Post by **Reyn** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:13 pm #210852

Atlanta-Ned wrote:
Reyn wrote: 2.Take their headsets and anything they can use to contact the ai or other greytiders
Protip: This is super shitty, don't do it unless they're actively being a shitheel.

By "Shitheel",you mean fucking over the round, right

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:46 pm #210878

Kor wrote:
Slap on the wrist translates to "I CAN VALID THAT OFFICER FOR TRYING TO ARREST ME" to greytiders.
But then they get banned?

But tiders can fight back with lethal force because if security catches them there's a 'good' chance they'll be executed. Right, Kor?

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:09 pm #210883

Malkevin wrote:
Kor wrote:
Slap on the wrist translates to "I CAN VALID THAT OFFICER FOR TRYING TO ARREST ME" to greytiders.
But then they get banned?
But tiders can fight back with lethal force because if security catches them there's a 'good' chance they'll be executed. Right, Kor?

15th law of power; Crush your enemy totally.
21th law of power; Play a sucker to catch a sucker - Seem dumber than your mark.

Generally speaking, you should completely crush a repeat greytider.

onleavedontatme · Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:39 pm

Malkevin wrote:
Kor wrote:
Slap on the wrist translates to "I CAN VALID THAT OFFICER FOR TRYING TO ARREST ME" to greytiders.
But then they get banned?
But tiders can fight back with lethal force because if security catches them there's a 'good' chance they'll be executed. Right, Kor?

>Have connected once in two and a half months
>complaining about sos era rules in 2012-2013

Nice

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:04 pm #210921

Actually I'm posting a thing you said not too long ago, in a thread about some guy that killed an officer because they'd been such a turd they'd probably end up dead or in perma.

Fuck, in the SoS era security had admin protection.
They had a fuck ton of scrutiny too but atleast you know if a grey tiding shit stun cuffed you and threw you out the airlock they would be banned.

onleavedontatme · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:36 pm

Malkevin wrote:Actually I'm posting a thing you said not too long ago, in a thread about some guy that killed an officer because they'd been such a turd they'd probably end up dead or in perma.

I don't remember the context but I am pretty sure I never said "you can killbait security!"

>Fuck, in the SoS era security had admin protection.

Nevermind I'm being baited by someone who doesn't even play

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:38 pm #210932

I'm sure that the one time when I threw an officer out of an airlock after he decided to constantly hunt me down despite the fact I kept asking him to give it up and let me do my job, I got banned for it.

So, I'm sure that hasn't really changed. You should feel safe when it comes down to that.

TheColdTurtle · Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:16 pm

FUCKING SUNGLASSES REEEEEEE

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:20 pm #210971

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:44 pm #210980

Sounds like a problem with said players play style rather then my precious tide.