Do admins actually play? Buckle up.

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:05 am #179865

Annoyingly enough, yes, most of them do.

Unfortunately automatically getting an up-to-date list of admins is basically impossible, so I have to rely on the admin status each player had when they last logged in, meaning people like FatmanFive are still on the list - hands up if you remember him.

Still! Should be a useful tool to keep an eye on the admins and notice when some of them become inactive or when some start talking too grandiosely about the game they don't actually play anymore.

Do admins actually play the game?

(7 day period) (30 day period)
(Can take a bit of time to generate)

Caveats regarding the correctness of the time calculation are on the page itself.

PS: Yes, this was cleared with MSO

ShadowDimentio · Wed May 25, 2016 12:32 am

Liam you're a bit of a cuck but I really respect all the stuff you make like this. Good work man.

Wed May 25, 2016 12:37 am

you should make it clearer which is sybil and which is basil (1337/the green bar is sybil, other is basil, for anybody curious)

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:39 am #179880

fuck my bagil time is slipping

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:52 am #179888

DO THIS FOR CODERS DO THIS FOR CODERS DO THIS FOR CODERS DO THIS FOR CODERS

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:53 am #179889

paprika wrote:DO THIS FOR CODERS DO THIS FOR CODERS DO THIS FOR CODERS DO THIS FOR CODERS

The coders with the "coder" admin rank are included

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:55 am #179890

Wait does this check rounds played or what?

Couldn't these technically be time spent observing if they didn't actually play in the round?

This page doesn't answer the question of whether or not admins ACTUALLY PLAY...

0/10 misleading

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:59 am #179891

I don't think there's any way to determine that from the available data. As the page states, the assumption for time played is that whenever someone connects into a round, they play until the end, which is not always the case, so the "played time" is a generous upper bound - meaning nobody on the list has played more than that, they may have however played less.

"Played" meaning that they were connected.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:59 am #179892

FAKE THREAD FAKE PAGE

ADMINS CONFIRMED DO NOT PLAY

HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY YOU TO SPREAD THESE FUCKING LIES LIAM

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:00 am #179893

eight spacebucks

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:16 am #179900

Still more than HG, aw yiss

Real life makes committing to play a round really hard, but i usually play when i admin.

Also holy fuck shaps why did you foreit the election to HG he is never online

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:29 am #179902

HG is more useful despite never being around than most of the active admins so..

Shadowlight213 · Wed May 25, 2016 1:29 am

Liam, could you make a list of links of all your neat tg shit you did?
Like there was one that calculated the total playtime someone did. I cant remember where that was.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:40 am #179906

>54 out of the last 168 hours were spent in game

Holy fuck I had a heart attack until I read the disclaimer about overestimation

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:43 am #179907

Shadowlight, PAS, and HBL are the most diverse admins. Everyone else including me is polarized to one server or the other

Okand37 · Post by **Okand37** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:35 am #179922

All my time is spent observing. So I will say that generally, I don't play-as I am usually adminning.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed May 25, 2016 3:05 am #179935

Admins don't play. It's a myth we all propagate to seem cool and hip and "with it".

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Wed May 25, 2016 3:10 am #179936

>log on after this goes up
>3/5 admins connected are AFK from roundstart

hmmmmmmmmm

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed May 25, 2016 3:26 am #179939

Uh oh the goyim know.

Better pad those hours.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 25, 2016 4:53 am #179955

HOW DID YOU LOSE YOUR RARELY PLAYS TAG STEELPOINT REEEE

The Ultimate Chimera · Wed May 25, 2016 7:15 am

They do.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed May 25, 2016 8:23 am #179992

>most people with coder rank barely ever play

Conspiracy confirmed.

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Wed May 25, 2016 10:09 am #180009

palpatine213 wrote:Liam, could you make a list of links of all your neat tg shit you did?
Like there was one that calculated the total playtime someone did. I cant remember where that was.

Uhhhh... okay, I'll try:

Playthings

SS13 Papers Please Passport Generator
SS13 Minecraft Achievement Generator
SS13 Signature Bio Generator
SS13 Sims 3 Moodlet Generator
SS13 Moodlet Generator

Data

Ban Log for SS13 (Admin only; yes it still works though there is a replacement on tgstation13.org)
SS13 Death Map
SS13 Ingame Polls
SS13 Book Club (Still works!)
SS13 player Lifecycle / Turnover Display
SS13 "How Much Time Have I Wasted?"
SS13 "Do Admins Play?"

Tools

DMI to PNG sprite extractor
Screenshot upload tool ( Disabled due to abuse D: )

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed May 25, 2016 11:23 am #180030

>still no lizard options for passports

onleavedontatme · Wed May 25, 2016 2:33 pm

Yeah, this is interesting but doesnt really indicate things one way or another until we track when people actually join a round.

Shadowlight213 · Wed May 25, 2016 4:31 pm

Do one for the main coders so we can finally prove that coders don't play.
Not just maintainers, people like mrperson (who according to the db plays about 10 rounds a month)
pap, goof, steelpoint,etc..

Also,
>Tfw not special enough to access the book club ;_;

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Wed May 25, 2016 4:46 pm #180081

Aww, I can't actually manage anything in the Book Club.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 25, 2016 10:38 pm #180194

>it's a coders don't play episode

Hello paprka, since logging started in January 2013, you connected to TGStation 4458 times. Your first connection was on 2013-02-08 00:32:33 (1202 days ago). You probably played in about 2346 rounds, or somewhere in the ballpark of 155962 minutes, which is 2599.3 hours, or 108.3 full days, or 3.61 full months. In this time span, you've spent 9% of your time alive playing TGStation13! Looking up your IP on geobytes.com indicates that you live in United States. According to Wikipedia, the minimum hourly wage in this counry is $7.25. Had you spent this time working for minimum wage, you'd have been $18844.925 richer. Had you spent this time studying, you would have earned 103.9 ECTS credits, which is enough to pass 17.31 university level courses. This would have gotten you through 1.73 years of university.

Post by **TehSteveo** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:40 am #180261

Shaps wrote:>54 out of the last 168 hours were spent in game

Holy fuck I had a heart attack until I read the disclaimer about overestimation

no lifer confirmed

callanrockslol · Thu May 26, 2016 8:57 am

Seriously 60 hours doesn't seem too far off for some people, maybe even more in a lot of cases.

I'm not naming names but some people that play this game have a problem.

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Thu May 26, 2016 9:55 am #180394

When I was making SS13 "How Much Time Have I Wasted?", I briefly considered making a leaderboard - not one that showed the biggest time-wasters, instead one that showed your global position in both absolute number and percentage. While looking into it I checked what the numbers were. The top several people at the time had way past 10k connections each. The reason I didn't make the leaderboard is because it'd require a count of connections for all players, of which there are 35k now. That'd be way too much computation - at least probably.

DemonFiren wrote:>still no lizard options for passports

Were lizards really added after I had already made that? :S Wow.

Also if anyone wants to maintain this stuff and add images and such, just get in touch. While I haven't posted the source anywhere publicly, I have shared it with several people, all of whom took a look at it and noped the hell out of there

So if you want to maintain the code on my server, this can be arranged. If you want to host it yourself, that's fine too, it's just that nobody I shared it with so far has decided to do that, so I don't know how likely that is.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu May 26, 2016 1:58 pm #180450

God damn i know absolutely nothing about coding or anything of the sort but i really want the detective noir outfit for an ID card

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Fri May 27, 2016 10:10 am #180797

Adding new images or icons isn't hard at all, you just add them to the corresponding folder. the tedious part is getting them out of the game. If you make a zip of the icons you'd like to add (in png format), I can easily do that, just make sure to make it obvious which folder they go into, plus name them so people will know what they are (e.g. detective_noir.png)

Folders:

(ignore "saves", that's where the generated signatures go)

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:00 am #181024

This tread was poorly done overall.
You can show how often an admin has connected to the game but that doesn`t SHOW that they actually play the game.
Also, what about coders?

paprika wrote:>it's a coders don't play episode

Hello paprka, since logging started in January 2013, you connected to TGStation 4458 times. Your first connection was on 2013-02-08 00:32:33 (1202 days ago). You probably played in about 2346 rounds, or somewhere in the ballpark of 155962 minutes, which is 2599.3 hours, or 108.3 full days, or 3.61 full months. In this time span, you've spent 9% of your time alive playing TGStation13! Looking up your IP on geobytes.com indicates that you live in United States. According to Wikipedia, the minimum hourly wage in this counry is $7.25. Had you spent this time working for minimum wage, you'd have been $18844.925 richer. Had you spent this time studying, you would have earned 103.9 ECTS credits, which is enough to pass 17.31 university level courses. This would have gotten you through 1.73 years of university.

Paps, all this shows is that you played a lot when you started playing ss13 and stopped after a while.
Let`s be generous and say you played 3 rounds a day since you`ve started.
2346/3 = 782 days of ss13, and then you just stopped playing for ~2 years.
Of course this is wrong but you know, you may never know.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:05 am #181031

Who's the newfriend implying I'm anything but a dedicated vet of this server

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:25 am #181043

paprika wrote:Who's the newfriend implying I'm anything but a dedicated vet of this server

And what do you have to show/prove that?
And witnesses?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sat May 28, 2016 3:34 am #181085

My extensive history of ERP logs, coder/admin bribery, as well as general shitposting archives

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat May 28, 2016 5:38 am #181132

Do you have the Lindsay donk X sly Cooper X puke chunks logs? They are a modern masterpiece

Sat May 28, 2016 5:39 am

Wyzack wrote:Do you have the Lindsay donk X sly Cooper X puke chunks logs? They are a modern masterpiece

yes please give link, this one is a modern classic and it's been so long since i last read it

free puke chunks

Okand37 · Post by **Okand37** » Sat May 28, 2016 6:16 am #181145

Well, cheridan was playing earlier... as a mouse. We've done it.

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Sat May 28, 2016 7:06 am #181156

I endorse Paprika as the person who plays the most.

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Sat May 28, 2016 11:16 am #181192

yackemflam wrote:This tread was poorly done overall.
You can show how often an admin has connected to the game but that doesn`t SHOW that they actually play the game.
Also, what about coders?

It doesn't show when they do, it shows when they don't. Is it perfect? No. Is it useful... Let's just say some admins's number suddenly increased 5 fold in the last 2 days. Perhaps a better description would be "Which admins don't even bother to connect any more?" or something.

The thing is, this tool will remain online. Sure, admins will pad their values for a while, but soon both the players and the admins will forget this exists - or they will get tired of actually padding the number. This means the tool will reflect reality ever more and more as it becomes less of an active topic of discussion. When admin related issues arise in the future - when certain admins or coders assert their correctness and preach sermons from atop their gilded thrones, all the while claiming that they know all this from their in-game experience - well you can actually check. Does having a high number there prove that they play a lot? No. Does having a small number there prove that they don't? Yes.

Also I checked and getting the data for a 30 day period isn't much more time intensive than getting it for a 7 day period. I want to give the admins who have been slacking before this came out a bit more time to stop slacking (I don't like it when rules or methods get changed and the new ones get retroactively applied). For reference, the admin with the largest number of logged hours in a 30 day period has 243h 15m logged. So I guess I'll roll out the 30 day display 240 hours after the tool came out, so 10 - 3 days = in 7 days. The average seems to be around the 70ish hour mark per 30 days.

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:42 pm #184047

As promised, the 30 day display is now live:

(7 day period) (30 day period)
(Can take a bit of time to generate)

peoplearestrange · Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:53 am

Is there a way to manually edit the admin list you have? The wiki list is pretty much always up to date (https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Administrators).

LiamLime · Post by **LiamLime** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:26 pm #187093

I don't want to manually edit it. I'm simply not invested enough into this game to keep up with that anymore. Otherwise no, there is no list of anything, the list is created from data out of the database. I'd prefer that it is guaranteed to show all current admins, even if it also shows some of the old ones. I mean alternatively you could start using database based administration instead of the stupid txt file cloning hack... Then this list could be guaranteed to work properly...